Anonymous
05/25/2020 23:12
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:
I agree. Normally, people _endorse_ a candidate, instead of coming out against a candidate. On top of that, have council members and the county exec ever gotten involved at this level in a BOE election, and before the primary? It hasn't happened before that I can remember. It puts them in a bad light. I'm glad I voted Austin. When this much of the "establishment" specifically targets him out of 15 candidates, then you know he must have them shaking in their boots.. which is exactly what they need.
They've endorsed candidates. They've done so in the past, and they're doing it in this election too.
Also, the reason these elected officials are elected officials is that the voters chose to elect them. So calling them "the establishment" is kind of odd. I expect that a large majority of county voters voted for at least one of the elected officials on this list in 2018.
What's more, the elected officials on the list span basically the entire spectrum of political opinion among elected officials in the county. It doesn't include the Republican Party political opinions, of course, because the Republican Party in the county can't get more than a third of the voters in the county to vote for their county candidates.
And it's also a fact that there is no plan for cross-county busing.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 23:02
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ouch
... There are good choices to represent all perspectives in the upcoming race for Board of Education, At-Large. Stephen Austin is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Sen. Cheryl Kagan
Sen. Nancy King
Sen. Ben Kramer
Sen. Will Smith
Del. Lorig Charkoudian
Del. Charlotte Crutchfield
Del. Bonnie Cullison
Del. Lesley Lopez
Del. Eric Luedtke
Del. David Moon
Del. Kirill Reznik
Del. Vaughn Stewart
County Executive Marc Elrich
Councilmember Gabe Albornoz
Councilmember Tom Hucker
Councilmember Will Jawando
Councilmember Nancy Navarro
Councilmember Craig Rice
Councilmember Hans Riemer
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
All those politicians just want a yes man and someone who thinks just like them. In today’s politics there is no room for independent thought, or for unlike points of view. You see it in a politics and you see it on this forum.
As someone who has yet to make a final decision on a candidate, I will say that having all these politicians attack this one guy so relentlessly is very telling. And in addition to that, all of this negativity is only giving him more name recognition. I truly believe they helped him and not hurt him. I will likely vote for Austin.
I agree. Normally, people _endorse_ a candidate, instead of coming out against a candidate. On top of that, have council members and the county exec ever gotten involved at this level in a BOE election, and before the primary? It hasn't happened before that I can remember. It puts them in a bad light. I'm glad I voted Austin. When this much of the "establishment" specifically targets him out of 15 candidates, then you know he must have them shaking in their boots.. which is exactly what they need.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 22:19
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:
Agree that it’s suspicious just how much they don’t want him in the mix. Hm.
Why is it suspicious?
Anonymous
05/25/2020 22:18
Subject: How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:
What I said: "changing superintendents every 4 years isn't a great way to operate." Would you prefer them to have a series of revolving door superintendents?
Note that a superintendent is not a president of anything, and is not even an elected office.
Right. Jerry Weast retires in 2011, new superintendent search results in Joshua Starr starting in 2011, in 2015 Joshua Starr's contract isn't renewed and he leaves early in 2015, new superintendent search in 2015 results in a mess and acting superintendent Larry Bowers, new superintendent search in 2016 results in John Smith - and now PP wants to get rid of John Smith and start the fourth superintendent search in 9 years? Who would want to be superintendent of MCPS under those circumstances?
Anonymous
05/25/2020 22:13
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ouch
... There are good choices to represent all perspectives in the upcoming race for Board of Education, At-Large. Stephen Austin is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Sen. Cheryl Kagan
Sen. Nancy King
Sen. Ben Kramer
Sen. Will Smith
Del. Lorig Charkoudian
Del. Charlotte Crutchfield
Del. Bonnie Cullison
Del. Lesley Lopez
Del. Eric Luedtke
Del. David Moon
Del. Kirill Reznik
Del. Vaughn Stewart
County Executive Marc Elrich
Councilmember Gabe Albornoz
Councilmember Tom Hucker
Councilmember Will Jawando
Councilmember Nancy Navarro
Councilmember Craig Rice
Councilmember Hans Riemer
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
All those politicians just want a yes man and someone who thinks just like them. In today’s politics there is no room for independent thought, or for unlike points of view. You see it in a politics and you see it on this forum.
As someone who has yet to make a final decision on a candidate, I will say that having all these politicians attack this one guy so relentlessly is very telling. And in addition to that, all of this negativity is only giving him more name recognition. I truly believe they helped him and not hurt him. I will likely vote for Austin.
Agree that it’s suspicious just how much they don’t want him in the mix. Hm.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 22:06
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
[quote=Anonymous
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
Unless one of the campaigns has paid for polling (which, as far as I know, none of them has, but who knows), there's no way for you to know how many voters support him.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 22:04
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:
As someone who has yet to make a final decision on a candidate, I will say that having all these politicians attack this one guy so relentlessly is very telling. And in addition to that, all of this negativity is only giving him more name recognition. I truly believe they helped him and not hurt him. I will likely vote for Austin.
When everyone tells you that your boyfriend is bad news, you should consider the possibility that they're right about your boyfriend.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:53
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ouch
... There are good choices to represent all perspectives in the upcoming race for Board of Education, At-Large. Stephen Austin is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Sen. Cheryl Kagan
Sen. Nancy King
Sen. Ben Kramer
Sen. Will Smith
Del. Lorig Charkoudian
Del. Charlotte Crutchfield
Del. Bonnie Cullison
Del. Lesley Lopez
Del. Eric Luedtke
Del. David Moon
Del. Kirill Reznik
Del. Vaughn Stewart
County Executive Marc Elrich
Councilmember Gabe Albornoz
Councilmember Tom Hucker
Councilmember Will Jawando
Councilmember Nancy Navarro
Councilmember Craig Rice
Councilmember Hans Riemer
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
All those politicians just want a yes man and someone who thinks just like them. In today’s politics there is no room for independent thought, or for unlike points of view. You see it in a politics and you see it on this forum.
As someone who has yet to make a final decision on a candidate, I will say that having all these politicians attack this one guy so relentlessly is very telling. And in addition to that, all of this negativity is only giving him more name recognition. I truly believe they helped him and not hurt him. I will likely vote for Austin.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:29
Subject: How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You may want to look at some of his detailed financial analysis and the budget ideas of one of his opponents that is fiscally undoable.
MCPS has a $2.8 Billion Dollar Budget that is unaudited. No controls are in place to monitor if a program is actually meeting its goals. The Board renewed Dr. Smith contract with an increase without indicating what specific metric he had met to deserve t he renewal or the increase. If the achievement go is so bad why would you give the person that has bee in charge for 4 years another 4 years?
If any other public company was unaudited like this, there would be serious calls as to why. Instead there are crickets. Don't you want to understand how your money is being spent and are the programs and people all this money is going to is actually working?
Well, one reason might be that complex problems take a long time to solve, and changing superintendents every 4 years isn't a great way to operate.
Based on your logic, you’re saying Trump should get another 4 years.
You can't possibly be comparing the effect of Jack Smith on MCPS to the effect of Trump on the world.
I could say the same thing about Jack Smith’s effect on the local community. It’s the PP’s logic, not mine.
Maybe you could, but I couldn't. Good grief.
And that’s your prerogative. The PP should avoid making blanket statements that 4 years isn’t enough to change a complicated system.
What I said: "changing superintendents every 4 years isn't a great way to operate." Would you prefer them to have a series of revolving door superintendents?
Note that a superintendent is not a president of anything, and is not even an elected office.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:26
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Of all the issues MCPS is facing, I think going back to the old FAA policy being the top priority shows that the education of our students is NOT his #1 priority.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/for-school-board-candidates-a-range-of-views-on-top-issue-in-race/
The number-one issue is what direction the Board of Education goes in terms of boundary study/changes in the future.
I guess if this is your #1 priority, then yes, Austin is for you. But please stop with the "he brings so much more talent to the table" crap. He brings nothing but his #1 priority to the table, and that #1 priority is not educating all the students in MCPS.
No, I am not a SJW. I'm actually a former conservative, but education is super important to me. I find him to be quite divisive and not focused on education, which is what a BOE member should be doing.
+1 "I find him to be quite divisive and not focused on education, which is what a BOE member should be doing.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:22
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ouch
... There are good choices to represent all perspectives in the upcoming race for Board of Education, At-Large. Stephen Austin is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Sen. Cheryl Kagan
Sen. Nancy King
Sen. Ben Kramer
Sen. Will Smith
Del. Lorig Charkoudian
Del. Charlotte Crutchfield
Del. Bonnie Cullison
Del. Lesley Lopez
Del. Eric Luedtke
Del. David Moon
Del. Kirill Reznik
Del. Vaughn Stewart
County Executive Marc Elrich
Councilmember Gabe Albornoz
Councilmember Tom Hucker
Councilmember Will Jawando
Councilmember Nancy Navarro
Councilmember Craig Rice
Councilmember Hans Riemer
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
All those politicians just want a yes man and someone who thinks just like them. In today’s politics there is no room for independent thought, or for unlike points of view. You see it in a politics and you see it on this forum.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:19
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ouch
... There are good choices to represent all perspectives in the upcoming race for Board of Education, At-Large. Stephen Austin is not one of them.
Sincerely,
Sen. Cheryl Kagan
Sen. Nancy King
Sen. Ben Kramer
Sen. Will Smith
Del. Lorig Charkoudian
Del. Charlotte Crutchfield
Del. Bonnie Cullison
Del. Lesley Lopez
Del. Eric Luedtke
Del. David Moon
Del. Kirill Reznik
Del. Vaughn Stewart
County Executive Marc Elrich
Councilmember Gabe Albornoz
Councilmember Tom Hucker
Councilmember Will Jawando
Councilmember Nancy Navarro
Councilmember Craig Rice
Councilmember Hans Riemer
And yet a significant number of voters still support him. I trust then voters more than I do politicians.
I do not think that many people support him.
He's definitely got a personality issue. A previous poster used the term brittle, and I think that sums it up. Do we really want a guy who cannot keep his cool in meetings? Plus he's got some very, very conservative views. And experience what exactly does he have in that vein?
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:19
Subject: Re:How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Of all the issues MCPS is facing, I think going back to the old FAA policy being the top priority shows that the education of our students is NOT his #1 priority.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/for-school-board-candidates-a-range-of-views-on-top-issue-in-race/
I guess if this is your #1 priority, then yes, Austin is for you. But please stop with the "he brings so much more talent to the table" crap. He brings nothing but his #1 priority to the table, and that #1 priority is not educating all the students in MCPS.
No, I am not a SJW. I'm actually a former conservative, but education is super important to me. I find him to be quite divisive and not focused on education, which is what a BOE member should be doing.
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/for-school-board-candidates-a-range-of-views-on-top-issue-in-race/
The number-one issue is what direction the Board of Education goes in terms of boundary study/changes in the future.
I guess if this is your #1 priority, then yes, Austin is for you. But please stop with the "he brings so much more talent to the table" crap. He brings nothing but his #1 priority to the table, and that #1 priority is not educating all the students in MCPS.
No, I am not a SJW. I'm actually a former conservative, but education is super important to me. I find him to be quite divisive and not focused on education, which is what a BOE member should be doing.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:19
Subject: How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You may want to look at some of his detailed financial analysis and the budget ideas of one of his opponents that is fiscally undoable.
MCPS has a $2.8 Billion Dollar Budget that is unaudited. No controls are in place to monitor if a program is actually meeting its goals. The Board renewed Dr. Smith contract with an increase without indicating what specific metric he had met to deserve t he renewal or the increase. If the achievement go is so bad why would you give the person that has bee in charge for 4 years another 4 years?
If any other public company was unaudited like this, there would be serious calls as to why. Instead there are crickets. Don't you want to understand how your money is being spent and are the programs and people all this money is going to is actually working?
Well, one reason might be that complex problems take a long time to solve, and changing superintendents every 4 years isn't a great way to operate.
Based on your logic, you’re saying Trump should get another 4 years.
You can't possibly be comparing the effect of Jack Smith on MCPS to the effect of Trump on the world.
I could say the same thing about Jack Smith’s effect on the local community. It’s the PP’s logic, not mine.
Maybe you could, but I couldn't. Good grief.
And that’s your prerogative. The PP should avoid making blanket statements that 4 years isn’t enough to change a complicated system.
Anonymous
05/25/2020 20:16
Subject: How Come BOE Candidate Stephen Austin Won’t Say What His Employment Is??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You may want to look at some of his detailed financial analysis and the budget ideas of one of his opponents that is fiscally undoable.
MCPS has a $2.8 Billion Dollar Budget that is unaudited. No controls are in place to monitor if a program is actually meeting its goals. The Board renewed Dr. Smith contract with an increase without indicating what specific metric he had met to deserve t he renewal or the increase. If the achievement go is so bad why would you give the person that has bee in charge for 4 years another 4 years?
If any other public company was unaudited like this, there would be serious calls as to why. Instead there are crickets. Don't you want to understand how your money is being spent and are the programs and people all this money is going to is actually working?
Well, one reason might be that complex problems take a long time to solve, and changing superintendents every 4 years isn't a great way to operate.
Based on your logic, you’re saying Trump should get another 4 years.
You can't possibly be comparing the effect of Jack Smith on MCPS to the effect of Trump on the world.
I could say the same thing about Jack Smith’s effect on the local community. It’s the PP’s logic, not mine.
I'm the PP you're referring to, and no, that is not my logic at all. The two situations are not comparable.
Then you should avoid making such general statements. Funny that 4 years isn’t enough for Jack Smith, but it’s more than enough for anyone with whom you don’t agree.