Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t understand why these people had to bribe their way into universities. If they have that much money and the contacts to go with it, then does it really matter where these kids attend college? Lori Laughlin’s daughter would follow the same career path (influencer or whatever) whether she attends ASU or USC. Let’s not pretend that where these kids go to college really matters because they’re set for life no matter what. How was this worth risking their reputations and getting into legal trouble? The risk truly wasn’t worth the reward. Is it for the parents’ bragging purposes? What was the point?

Some people were celebrities, but a lot of them were not! I'm sure it was crucial for a Chen to get his son into Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:So what happens to the students that are there illegally now?

Probably going to get kicked out for ethics code violations.

If they knew. According to the FBI/DOJ some of them didn't.

So what? They didn't get in there on their own merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this to me:

Once these students were admitted, how were they supposed to keep up with their coursework? Were the parents planning to bribe the professors or administrators? Did Singer continue to facilitate bribes after enrollment? What would the endgame be?

This is what I'm wondering. It's one thing to bribe your kid's way in to college, but how did they actually expect them to graduate?

It doesn't matter if they graduate, but even attending for a year or so is a decent credential while they try to figure out what to do with their lives.

It's also harder to get into some of these schools than graduate. They can also easily afford a 5-year plan, so there is time to re-take classes etc.

I went to Stanford. Believe me, there were complete idiots who managed to graduate just by picking an easy major.

And by paying people like me to do their work for them. I attended two whole classes in my time at my university as another student. They were both from wealthy families and terrible at math. My university didn't make you show ID for any tests (and still doesn't, from what I hear), you just had to write your student number on your test. The key was to stick to the larger lecture courses with 100+ students where you could just blend in. I know someone who pretended to be another student in the lab portion of a biology course with only 35 other students. Just thinking about doing that would make me anxious.

Trust me, cheating is still rampant in college.

Congrats for being a scumbag.

Thank you!

It paid much better than slinging pizzas or folding clothes in retail. I have no regrets nor do I feel bad about it. Those people I pretended to be were set for life because of their family money and family influence. They just needed the degrees so they could graduate and join their family businesses.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t understand why these people had to bribe their way into universities. If they have that much money and the contacts to go with it, then does it really matter where these kids attend college? Lori Laughlin’s daughter would follow the same career path (influencer or whatever) whether she attends ASU or USC. Let’s not pretend that where these kids go to college really matters because they’re set for life no matter what. How was this worth risking their reputations and getting into legal trouble? The risk truly wasn’t worth the reward. Is it for the parents’ bragging purposes? What was the point?

Because ..."mommy I REEELYY want to go to USC. Maddie and Addie and Ella and Bella are all planning to go and it would be so fun!"

Their Dads paid!!!! Don't you love me?????

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Come on, you can't seriously be comparing test prepping a student with someone fraudulently impersonating a student to take a test for them?

A test prepping student still needs to bust his ass! Prepping is hard work! How dare you equate that with cheating!

But what about the families that can't afford the prep. I went to one of those free "let me show you how we do this" seminars and it is dirty. Not illegal like this, but dirty. Showing kids every shortcut, what to look for, how to decipher and breakdown each question. Which passages to read, which ones to skip. How many X questions are on each test and how to learn those. The last 3 years trended this way. blah blah blah.

It is an upper hand to those that go to those prep courses. Not to mention the $100/hr tutors that come to your house to find every angle to get you a better score. Even families living her making $100K to $250K have no idea what the rest of the country is like. Maybe you didn't bribe people, but you allowed your child everything they needed. No working during the school year (my kid is "sooooo" busy!) You made sure they got into top private schools and paid for it. You went over all the forms 10X over and made sure your kids applied IB and magnet. You decided where you would live in relation to schools/education. You pushed until they got into the classes they needed for a inflated GPA. You paid for educational camps and clubs. You made their applications "well rounded" with tons of EC's. You have the money to allow the kids to take it multiple times and get tutors/prep between each one to micromanage it into a better score.

I mean even having the time to read to your kid is more than many poor and lower middle class families have time or event the means to do. Handing them activities as kids, money each week for doing nothing is entitlement. I mean how many seniors have never worked a job, but have cars in the school parking lot? Entitlement. YOU just don't see it that way because you have surrounded yourself with similar people.

Many kids can not do EC's because they work 30 hours a week while going to high school full time. This helps keep food on the table for their family. Many could never in a million years get test prep or tutors, let alone a book to help them study on their own. Many go home to no heat or electricity. Many are fosters or homeless. Or basically parentless with drugged out families.

College admissions will never be even be close to even unless they took every kid to a boarding school away from their families (for better or worse) and teach them there. No money given. They apply on their own to colleges. But that will never happen.

So at the very least, they need to stop inflated grades. Stop allowing so many retakes of standardized tests. Stop making EC's such a big deal. Stop allowing donations and legacy to have any merit on a child's worth into a college. And for the love of God, get rid of the ED and ED2 that are also for only the rich. So corrupt.

^^Not that I feel sorry for them. Just pointing out that achieved nothing with this criminality.

I just read that some of the parents paid bribes to get their children into Stanford, and the children decided they didn't want to go to Stanford. So, now the parents paid huge money and are getting indicted for nothing.

I haven’t read all comments. I am absolutely floored by the outright fraud. I know one of the accused professionally and absolutely hope he resigns. This is absolutely disgusting. Also any student that signed an appplication saying they were athletes when they in fact were not absolutely needs to be expelled. The harder issue is how to handle the graduates. The only silver lining is that this actually came to light.

Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t understand why these people had to bribe their way into universities. If they have that much money and the contacts to go with it, then does it really matter where these kids attend college? Lori Laughlin’s daughter would follow the same career path (influencer or whatever) whether she attends ASU or USC. Let’s not pretend that where these kids go to college really matters because they’re set for life no matter what. How was this worth risking their reputations and getting into legal trouble? The risk truly wasn’t worth the reward. Is it for the parents’ bragging purposes? What was the point?

The indictment and tapes say it was because they wanted guarantees, not to go through the normal, protracted, stressful process. In some cases, their kids at a minimum didn't test well (Huffman's daughter had a 1020 SAT).

Even with connections that score is unlikely to get someone into a selective college without a hook.

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.

They didn't do anything illegal.

Except having someone take their SATs for them??
You can't be serious.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the kids will get to stay.

They didn't do anything illegal.

Doesn’t matter whether they knew or not....if they were admitted fraudulently they should be expelled.

Loughlin's kid did and knew it was illegal.

I doubt she comes back at all for second semester. Her hated college experience is finito.



The fall semester at her school began on Aug. 20; a day later, Ms. Jade announced on Twitter that she had just arrived in Fiji. In a YouTube video, she said that she had gone for work.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/style/olivia-jade-giannulli-college-admissions-scandal.html

I'm curious if she can be charged with misrepresentation in order to build a brand and accept payment for her company under false pretenses?

She got Amazon Prime and others to pay her thousands to market to a student population she was not entitled to be among and is no longer a part of.

Daddy better have those lawyers on retainer.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering if this is the tip of the iceberg

DOJ said the investigation is continuing.

Singer is pleading guilty. He may well decide to cooperate with the prosecutors and offer up more participants in hopes of a lighter sentence. But given that they have electronic records of all kind, and the investigation has been open for a year and involved 300 (!!) FBI agents, I assume that all the obvious cases are known.

Singer has been cooperating.

Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t understand why these people had to bribe their way into universities. If they have that much money and the contacts to go with it, then does it really matter where these kids attend college? Lori Laughlin’s daughter would follow the same career path (influencer or whatever) whether she attends ASU or USC. Let’s not pretend that where these kids go to college really matters because they’re set for life no matter what. How was this worth risking their reputations and getting into legal trouble? The risk truly wasn’t worth the reward. Is it for the parents’ bragging purposes? What was the point?

Because ..."mommy I REEELYY want to go to USC. Maddie and Addie and Ella and Bella are all planning to go and it would be so fun!"

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Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this to me:

Once these students were admitted, how were they supposed to keep up with their coursework? Were the parents planning to bribe the professors or administrators? Did Singer continue to facilitate bribes after enrollment? What would the endgame be?

This is what I'm wondering. It's one thing to bribe your kid's way in to college, but how did they actually expect them to graduate?

Like many athletes: easy degree. The favorite athletic degree at my university was communications. Another easy one was the health sciences degree which covered nutritionists and training. You could graduate from that program with you B.S. plus the certification to begin as a personal trainer.

For many, it's not about what the degree is in, but where it is from.

Most athletes outside of men's basketball and football and the majority of athletes major in something of substance. More athletes participate in other sports besides football and men;s basketball. For example, Maryland Women's Basketball had 3 seniors go off to medical school the same year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/03/24/three-players-put-the-md-in-maryland-womens-basketball/?utm_term=.5952cef04967

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of all of the colleges involved?

Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of Southern California, UCLA, and Georgetown

No Harvard fool

Harvard is certainly part of the list.

Apparently they keep super-qualified Asian Americans out so they have a few spots for the dumb kids of Hollywood celebs.

pride cometh before the fall!