Anonymous wrote:How many students are you talking about who have been so confused as to apply to both UChicago and Duke? I know both schools very well and they are so dissimilar that anyone applying to both would be pretty uncertain as to what they are looking for in a college experience. The respective profiles for 2021 classes show that UChicago accepted 679 students who chose not to enroll - Duke accepted 1536 who chose not to enroll. So cross admits are students without a strong sense of self or commitment to a particular university - what do you suggest that this reveals about the qualities and characteristics of either school??

This thread has jumped the shark!

But...but...but... Duke has beautiful, preppy vibrant girls!!!! .... Insists the idiot Duke booster who can't fathom why Duke is barely getting any kids from the top private schools but desperately wants Duke to be a top choice amongst these kids so just makes shit up

Duke has a terrible yield lol

How many students are you talking about who have been so confused as to apply to both UChicago and Duke? I know both schools very well and they are so dissimilar that anyone applying to both would be pretty uncertain as to what they are looking for in a college experience. The respective profiles for 2021 classes show that UChicago accepted 679 students who chose not to enroll - Duke accepted 1536 who chose not to enroll. So cross admits are students without a strong sense of self or commitment to a particular university - what do you suggest that this reveals about the qualities and characteristics of either school??

This thread has jumped the shark!

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Parchment shows it 58% to 42% in Duke's favor for cross-admits with Chicago.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=university+of+chicago

Parchment data is notoriously inaccurate and spotty. Plus that includes data when Duke had ED sand Chicago didn't, plus that number is actually moving in Chicago's favor not Duke's. I would bet that in a few years when only the results from when Chicago introduced ED is in the parchment system Chicago will trounce Duke

Well, Parchment is at least supposed to be based on real data and most of the results I see among top schools look plausible. Otherwise, what we are left with here are a couple of guys saying "Exeter Alum here. . .". Data point of one school from one person's limited vantage point.

The data is actually moving in Chicago's favor. I Just in 2016 that number was 65% 35% in Dukes favor. Most of that was Duke ED Chicago EA across admits. Once Chicago introduced ED, the numbers have started moving in Chicago favor for obvious reasons. Unless you can compare RD vs RD admits which Parchment doesn't split, those numbers are misleading. You can already see a swing once Chicago got ED and that is going to continue

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Parchment shows it 58% to 42% in Duke's favor for cross-admits with Chicago.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=university+of+chicago

Parchment data is notoriously inaccurate and spotty. Plus that includes data when Duke had ED sand Chicago didn't, plus that number is actually moving in Chicago's favor not Duke's. I would bet that in a few years when only the results from when Chicago introduced ED is in the parchment system Chicago will trounce Duke

Well, Parchment is at least supposed to be based on real data and most of the results I see among top schools look plausible. Otherwise, what we are left with here are a couple of guys saying "Exeter Alum here. . .". Data point of one school from one person's limited vantage point.

Duke and Chicago are two schools that have been hot, albeit at somewhat different times. If you go back not that far, Chicago was not that selective. I think admit rate was close to 50%.

My gut feel is Duke comes in at about the mid-Ivy level, below HYP, and roughly on par with Columbia and Penn (which is significantly buoyed by Wharton). I'd say Chicago comes in at a similar level, but Duke has some admission advantages due to the pull of weather and sports.

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Parchment shows it 58% to 42% in Duke's favor for cross-admits with Chicago.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=university+of+chicago

Parchment data is notoriously inaccurate and spotty. Plus that includes data when Duke had ED sand Chicago didn't, plus that number is actually moving in Chicago's favor not Duke's. I would bet that in a few years when only the results from when Chicago introduced ED is in the parchment system Chicago will trounce Duke

Well, Parchment is at least supposed to be based on real data and most of the results I see among top schools look plausible. Otherwise, what we are left with here are a couple of guys saying "Exeter Alum here. . .". Data point of one school from one person's limited vantage point.

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Parchment shows it 58% to 42% in Duke's favor for cross-admits with Chicago.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=university+of+chicago

Parchment data is notoriously inaccurate and spotty. Plus that includes data when Duke had ED sand Chicago didn't, plus that number is actually moving in Chicago's favor not Duke's. I would bet that in a few years when only the results from when Chicago introduced ED is in the parchment system Chicago will trounce Duke

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Anonymous wrote:Exeter Alum here. Our school sends a lot of kids to Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, Brown, Princeton and MIT. Very few to Duke so there aren't much cross admit battles going on and when they do happen, which is rarely Duke loses. Just sayin... I'm at Yale, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Alum here from the much superior Andover and this mirrors what happens there.

Parchment shows it 58% to 42% in Duke's favor for cross-admits with Chicago.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=university+of+chicago

Anonymous wrote:Exeter Alum here. Our school sends a lot of kids to Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, Brown, Princeton and MIT. Very few to Duke so there aren't much cross admit battles going on and when they do happen, which is rarely Duke loses. Just sayin... I'm at Yale, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Alum here from the much superior Andover and this mirrors what happens there.

Chicago has Regular Decision and Early Action. That's what, 2,000 kids? Of those 2,000 a lot deflect to Ivies, Duke and Stanford. This is a FACT. I'm literally scrolling through names now; Columbia and Duke are most frequent cross-admit losses.

Exeter Alum here. Our school sends a lot of kids to Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, Brown, Princeton and MIT. Very few to Duke so there aren't much cross admit battles going on and when they do happen, which is rarely Duke loses. Just sayin... I'm at Yale, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Anonymous wrote:Cross admit data for schools that dole out merit aid tells you very little. My friends daughter got admits from both Duke and Vanderbilt and chose Vandy because of the massive merit aid which made Vandy tuition free. What can you tell about Duke and Vandy based on that cross admit result. Pretty much nothing, other than money talks

Scattergram data for cross admit battles might be a great way to figure out where a kid can get merit aid.

Cross admit data for schools that dole out merit aid tells you very little. My friends daughter got admits from both Duke and Vanderbilt and chose Vandy because of the massive merit aid which made Vandy tuition free. What can you tell about Duke and Vandy based on that cross admit result. Pretty much nothing, other than money talks

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However, Chicago had a yield of 79% this year (72% last year). Likely far better than Duke which had a 50% yield last year (though Duke hasn't yet released this year's yield %).

Obsession with yield is desperate. And obviously it is gamed quite easily. Cross-admit battles are visible on social media and if your children attend a strong and large enough high school, you can pick up on patterns. One such pattern is RD applicants are not turning down Ivies Duke MIT Stanford to attend Chicago.

This is one the dumbest arguments I have heard. Yield tells you how much of your admitted pool you are getting and it is important because the higher the number the fewer kids you are losing overall. Most private schools that lose admits from the RD pool do so to state schools because of cost or to lower tier privates because of merit aid.

Most private schools have gotten very sophisticated in their data analysis and know precisely who their likely losses are going to be. They also have very good profile data on cross admit battles they have lost and actively seek to minimize such losses by not admitting students who are likely to be admits at other schools and losses to them. Thus at the Top ten level with proliferation of ED and massive data analysis cross admit battles are a miniscule number.

Chicago just isn't losing many kids in cross admits battles period. Because they have sophisticated data analysis to weed out such potential losses from their admit pool all together.

And this argument that if your child attends a strong and large enough high school you would have front row seats to cross admit battles is laughable. Even at the best privates, Harvard or Chicago will admit around 10 to 15 students and at the same schools Duke probably less than 5. The chances of overlap in this pool in the RD round is almost non existent. At publics where most of the RD battles will probably occur, the numbers are even smaller to even spot a battle of there is one.

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However, Chicago had a yield of 79% this year (72% last year). Likely far better than Duke which had a 50% yield last year (though Duke hasn't yet released this year's yield %).

Obsession with yield is desperate. And obviously it is gamed quite easily. Cross-admit battles are visible on social media and if your children attend a strong and large enough high school, you can pick up on patterns. One such pattern is RD applicants are not turning down Ivies Duke MIT Stanford to attend Chicago.