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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

You must be new. All they have is stupid arguments, which is why everyone leaves this thread utterly disgusted with the cyclists. It's really kind of fascinating to watch them alienate each and every new person, one by one. They've made it into an art.

Which nonetheless cannot be countered - all we get are "OMG, you are smug, now I hate you more, shut UP!" I think the PP who liked to talk about HS bullying is really wishing he could make the cyclists shut up by hitting them, but the net does not work that way.

Delusional and wishful thinking. You've had so many people come in here and make thoughtful, reasoned, highly intelligent arguments, all of which are brushed over with high school tactics and without any acknowledgement of the facts presented. The great thing is everyone sees through it, so... by all means keep going. Just lemme get the popcorn first.

Where someone came with a serious argument, rather than trolling, I answered seriously and factually. With detailed explanations of routes, riding approaches, safety data, etc. Perhaps people left because their questions were answered, or because they realized that there was no better argument they could make, and they are not as interested in trolling cyclists as you are.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

You must be new. All they have is stupid arguments, which is why everyone leaves this thread utterly disgusted with the cyclists. It's really kind of fascinating to watch them alienate each and every new person, one by one. They've made it into an art.

Road are designed by engineers in the fashion that politicians have directed them to and they can be designed in any number of ways.

It so happens that DC decided several years ago to try to safely accommodate users besides drivers on its roads - that means pedestrians, cyclists and transit users (buses and most recently the streetcar) and in the future it could mean carpool lanes too.

Similarly in MD & VA political decisions have been made about that - HOV lanes, soon lanes for transit and more and more bike lanes and many efforts to make roads safe for pedestrians too.

And the laws in all 3 jurisdictions to different extents protect the rights of pedestrians and bikers on roads.

So the enraged drivers on here who don't understand what is happening politically or what the laws are can bitch and complain all you want and unfortunately with the lax law enforcement in this area you also have a lot of leeway to be dangerous self entitled assholes behind the wheel but you are very much wrong about what is going on.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

You must be new. All they have is stupid arguments, which is why everyone leaves this thread utterly disgusted with the cyclists. It's really kind of fascinating to watch them alienate each and every new person, one by one. They've made it into an art.

Which nonetheless cannot be countered - all we get are "OMG, you are smug, now I hate you more, shut UP!" I think the PP who liked to talk about HS bullying is really wishing he could make the cyclists shut up by hitting them, but the net does not work that way.

Delusional and wishful thinking. You've had so many people come in here and make thoughtful, reasoned, highly intelligent arguments, all of which are brushed over with high school tactics and without any acknowledgement of the facts presented. The great thing is everyone sees through it, so... by all means keep going. Just lemme get the popcorn first.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

You must be new. All they have is stupid arguments, which is why everyone leaves this thread utterly disgusted with the cyclists. It's really kind of fascinating to watch them alienate each and every new person, one by one. They've made it into an art.

Which nonetheless cannot be countered - all we get are "OMG, you are smug, now I hate you more, shut UP!" I think the PP who liked to talk about HS bullying is really wishing he could make the cyclists shut up by hitting them, but the net does not work that way.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

Pedestrians (many of them) are demanding that cars slow down, so its safe to use the crosswalks. This is a big problem throughout the region.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

You must be new. All they have is stupid arguments, which is why everyone leaves this thread utterly disgusted with the cyclists. It's really kind of fascinating to watch them alienate each and every new person, one by one. They've made it into an art.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

Yes, you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Perhaps time to develop some DC rhetorical skills of your own since you've bungled this thing beyond all expectations

In the real world, where sock puppeting doesnt work, I am winning.

I see more cities encouraging biking and building more and better infrastructure. The percentage of people biking is also increasing. Laws to prosecute drivers who injure cyclists are being refined.

Bicycling is winning.

The only way driving is going to win is when you get your right to drive taken away because automated cars are so much better.

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How about this: no one person is more important than everyone else on the road. When one commuter slows down the other hundred, that one's an asshole, whether it's a biker, jogger or pogo stick rider.

Again, you are prioritizing car trips. Bicycle commuters and pedestrian commuters do not prevent car commuters from using the road, but car commuters do prevent bicycle and pedestrian commuters from using the road.

Meanwhile, when I'm driving, who's slowing me down is: other drivers. Please keep your car off the road when I'm driving on it.

Pedestrian commuters were never meant to use the roads, what's with the stupid argument? They have sidewalks and crossroads. Pedestrians aren't jogging in the middle of traffic demanding to have a whole lane to themselves. You're making a stupid argument that roads aren't designed for cars when it is patently obvious that they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

Yes, you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Perhaps time to develop some DC rhetorical skills of your own since you've bungled this thing beyond all expectations

In the real world, where sock puppeting doesnt work, I am winning.

Ask Jeff.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

Yes, you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Perhaps time to develop some DC rhetorical skills of your own since you've bungled this thing beyond all expectations

In the real world, where sock puppeting doesnt work, I am winning.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

Yes, you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Perhaps time to develop some DC rhetorical skills of your own since you've bungled this thing beyond all expectations

Youve given up on arguing substance, and also given up on the "nerd" thing, and now you are just sock puppetting to claim that the facts that defeated you will somehow alienate people because the words of two or three people convince folks that ALL cyclists are smug. It is clearly very important to you to shut us up.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

Yes, you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself. Perhaps time to develop some DC rhetorical skills of your own since you've bungled this thing beyond all expectations

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I can tell some of these people are lawyers lol It's like arguing with a hall monitor

Look yes you have a right to drive on Wis avenue in rush hour

Should you no, should steps be taken to make it easier to do it no, should steps be taken instead to make it more hospitable to drivers who are the vast vast majority of users of this route yes

Most of the people in the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are drivers because the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are inhospitable to people who aren't in cars. That's not an argument for staying off Wisconsin Avenue unless you're in a car; it's an argument for making Wisconsin Avenue more hospitable to everybody, whether they're in cars or not. Why DC would want to prioritize the desires of car commuters from the suburbs over the desires of its own residents, I can't understand.

OMG it's a freaking road you moron. Its designed to move cars, not bikes not buses, not pedestrians cars.

Wait, what?

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Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments by cyclists in this thread makes me hate cyclists more than I ever thought possible. The entitled smugness is just boundless. I used to be sort of indifferent to them, but now that I think about all the times I've seen them blow through redlights or stop signs, then post here how it's no big thing and deflect the issue saying drivers run redlights too.... you know what? I've never seen a car drive along the shoulder past other traffic waiting for a light, and then drive through the light forcing other cars to avoid them. But I see cyclists do it all the time. Then I read some of them on this thread, it infuriates me. I hate them. HATE them!

Yeah. I think this thread should sufficiently answer OP's question. It appears to be a huge level of smugness, total lack of concern for other people bordering on some kind of cognitive social disorder, and a superiority complex. Not a good combination, to say the least.

And I came into the thread not disliking cyclists either.

really. you came in neutral saw a guy making remarks about nerds getting beaten up, wanting to drive within 6 inches of them, saw some cyclists respond with explanations and facts and that is making you dislike cyclists? I. DO. NOT. BELIEVE. YOU

I mean I could explain how part of the reason I bike is precisely for the greater good, but I guess you would call that smug as well. Basically you attack us and when we defend ourselves anything we say is smug.

I think you are not someone who came in as neutral, but someone using your typical DC rhetorical skills to shame people when you cannot answer substantive arguments.

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I can tell some of these people are lawyers lol It's like arguing with a hall monitor

Look yes you have a right to drive on Wis avenue in rush hour

Should you no, should steps be taken to make it easier to do it no, should steps be taken instead to make it more hospitable to drivers who are the vast vast majority of users of this route yes

Most of the people in the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are drivers because the travel lanes on Wisconsin Avenue are inhospitable to people who aren't in cars. That's not an argument for staying off Wisconsin Avenue unless you're in a car; it's an argument for making Wisconsin Avenue more hospitable to everybody, whether they're in cars or not. Why DC would want to prioritize the desires of car commuters from the suburbs over the desires of its own residents, I can't understand.

OMG it's a freaking road you moron. Its designed to move cars, not bikes not buses, not pedestrians cars.

Hahaha you should think twice before calling someone else a moron