Anonymous wrote:In addition, others here have tried to debunk the activist father as he 'made the mistake of' and 'got mixed up in'. The father made a choice to stump for Islam with the Minister. He made a choice to run for office - twice - in Sudan. The quick involvement of Cair. The fact that this has happened in Irving, TX, no stranger to activist Islamic activity and the site of a heinous honor killing.

Now understand I have no issues with the man on the whole - activism, on it's own, is not a bad thing. I do see this as an opportunistic grab. Frankly, I feel you progressives are being exploited.

and stupid!

Anonymous wrote:When I read about Ahmed's father I found out:
He was a Sudanese immigrant who had a degree from Cairo University, but since it was not worth anything here he sold hot dogs while he went to community college. #Bootstraps

Then he became a cabbie. He was so successful that he created a company that he later sold to yellow cab. #FreeEnterprise

Raised his son to become a smart, somewhat nerdy 14 year old with a promising academic trajectory. #BenCarsonStory

Then he made the mistake of defending the Koran against Koran-Burner Terry Jones in 2011. #HowDareHe #BurningisFreeSpeech #ConspiracyConfirmed

Became a candidate for President in Sudan #Traitor #CantLove2Countries #UnlessIsrael

BOOM! Thanks for this, PP. It makes all those who are trying to tear Ahmed's family down look all the more foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

I've already done so. The American Thinker link provides information and references. Please go back and read that article and look at my other posts in this thread, and then ask me to clarify what you don't understand.

Here is what that article says about Ahmed's father:

"Ahmed’s father (well-connected to Moslem activists)"

That is your documentation of the father's activism? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? That doesn't even claim the father is an activist, but that he is only well-connected to them.

As usual, you are completely unable to support the BS that you spread here.

I suggest you go back and read the thread from where you started your accusations to this point. Are you denying that ElHassan went to Fl. to debate the minister? Is that what you want me to document?

This is your usual schtick. Get a new one.

So, he went to Florida to debate a minister? That is an indication of what? What is wrong with that? That is one activity. It's hardly the indication of any sort of serious activism, particularly activism that should draw suspicion. The guy who he was debating was burning Qurans. That's much more controversial then someone defending their holy book.

If this is your evidence that the father is an activist and should be considered suspicious, it is beyond weak.

Dictionary definition of activist: "Someone who's actively involved in a protest or a political or social cause can be called an activist"

So yes, standing up and debating the minister is, in fact, being an activist for Islam. So like the minister, he has shown he has an agenda. What are the odds his son would be the one tapped? Now add to this the quick involvement of Cair, the silence from the school administration, the statements from the father that his son was 'tortured' (interesting choice of words...) and other strong statements like it

That's ignoring the father's running for office twice in his home country and that he's a strong religious presence in Irving.

None of this is wrong, but it does make him an activist - and capable of exploiting a situation. Whether he actually orchestrated it or took advantage of it remains to be seen.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

I've already done so. The American Thinker link provides information and references. Please go back and read that article and look at my other posts in this thread, and then ask me to clarify what you don't understand.

Here is what that article says about Ahmed's father:

"Ahmed’s father (well-connected to Moslem activists)"

That is your documentation of the father's activism? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? That doesn't even claim the father is an activist, but that he is only well-connected to them.

As usual, you are completely unable to support the BS that you spread here.

I suggest you go back and read the thread from where you started your accusations to this point. Are you denying that ElHassan went to Fl. to debate the minister? Is that what you want me to document?

This is your usual schtick. Get a new one.

So, he went to Florida to debate a minister? That is an indication of what? What is wrong with that? That is one activity. It's hardly the indication of any sort of serious activism, particularly activism that should draw suspicion. The guy who he was debating was burning Qurans. That's much more controversial then someone defending their holy book.

If this is your evidence that the father is an activist and should be considered suspicious, it is beyond weak.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

I've already done so. The American Thinker link provides information and references. Please go back and read that article and look at my other posts in this thread, and then ask me to clarify what you don't understand.

Here is what that article says about Ahmed's father:

"Ahmed’s father (well-connected to Moslem activists)"

That is your documentation of the father's activism? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? That doesn't even claim the father is an activist, but that he is only well-connected to them.

As usual, you are completely unable to support the BS that you spread here.

I suggest you go back and read the thread from where you started your accusations to this point. Are you denying that ElHassan went to Fl. to debate the minister? Is that what you want me to document?

This is your usual schtick. Get a new one.

In addition, others here have tried to debunk the activist father as he 'made the mistake of' and 'got mixed up in'. The father made a choice to stump for Islam with the Minister. He made a choice to run for office - twice - in Sudan. The quick involvement of Cair. The fact that this has happened in Irving, TX, no stranger to activist Islamic activity and the site of a heinous honor killing.

Now understand I have no issues with the man on the whole - activism, on it's own, is not a bad thing. I do see this as an opportunistic grab. Frankly, I feel you progressives are being exploited.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

I've already done so. The American Thinker link provides information and references. Please go back and read that article and look at my other posts in this thread, and then ask me to clarify what you don't understand.

Here is what that article says about Ahmed's father:

"Ahmed’s father (well-connected to Moslem activists)"

That is your documentation of the father's activism? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? That doesn't even claim the father is an activist, but that he is only well-connected to them.

As usual, you are completely unable to support the BS that you spread here.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

I've already done so. The American Thinker link provides information and references. Please go back and read that article and look at my other posts in this thread, and then ask me to clarify what you don't understand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Now that you appear to be home, can you explain what is wrong with Ahmed father's activism with supporting evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:Our beloved clock kid also has about 3-4 go fund me/crowd funding sites-one with a goal of 100,000, recieved a ton of high end computer equipment from Microsoft, and countless other opportunities and financial benefits.

None of the white, black or Hispanic kids who were "wrongfully" arrested/detained/suspended from school were given a dam thing-why?????

What about the 6 million that Freddy Gray's family got?

Freddie Gray was essentially murdered in cold blood-Ahmed was detained and questioned for a couple of hours, Big fucking difference!

Anonymous wrote:Our beloved clock kid also has about 3-4 go fund me/crowd funding sites-one with a goal of 100,000, recieved a ton of high end computer equipment from Microsoft, and countless other opportunities and financial benefits.

None of the white, black or Hispanic kids who were "wrongfully" arrested/detained/suspended from school were given a dam thing-why?????

What about the 6 million that Freddy Gray's family got?

Anonymous wrote:Ahmed's father strikes me as a naive opportunist. The idea that he was the mastermind behind some elobarate scheme to catapult the family to fame and fortune by sending his son to school with the not bomb clock is absurd and borders on delusional. The man is a hardworking immigrant who started his path to the American dream by selling hotdogs on the streets of NYC. Given that he had the inclination to run for President of Sudan while living in Texas and got mixed up in the Terry Jones mess because he was looking for a way to take his family to Disney World, it's not all that surprising that he might try and find a way to leverage circumstances which arose due to the mishandling of the situation by local authorities in Irving. Shameless self-promotion is the Ametican Way. Just ask the Donald about his $10,000,000,000.

He didn't get 'mixed up in it'. He chose to take that path.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ PP wants us all to understand and accept that the kid's father is some kind of evil subversive man but then runs away the minute someone asks a question....

Very typical of that poster. She constantly makes vague allegations and then tells you to do your own research. But, I probably sound defensive according to some of the above posters.

I am not home. You know damn well this guy did not burn a Kiran. Stop being, well, you. I said he was a strong activist re: the FL minister who burned the Koran. In addition, he's running for office in Sudan. That's part of it. The WaPo discussed this. You are not that ill-informed.

It is intellectually lazy to insinuate what you cannot accurately convey yourself. More often than not, it is a sign that the speaker is not really in control of their facts, that they vaguely recall something.

Or that I read the response when I was at my son's school dropping him off and had to actually drive again rather than text more?

Anonymous wrote:When I read about Ahmed's father I found out:
He was a Sudanese immigrant who had a degree from Cairo University, but since it was not worth anything here he sold hot dogs while he went to community college. #Bootstraps

Then he became a cabbie. He was so successful that he created a company that he later sold to yellow cab. #FreeEnterprise

Raised his son to become a smart, somewhat nerdy 14 year old with a promising academic trajectory. #BenCarsonStory

Then he made the mistake of defending the Koran against Koran-Burner Terry Jones in 2011. #HowDareHe #BurningisFreeSpeech #ConspiracyConfirmed

Became a candidate for President in Sudan #Traitor #CantLove2Countries #UnlessIsrael

Interesting portrayal. Why a mistake? Seems to me that was activism at its finest. And all because he wanted to take his kids to Disney? The father also says that his son was 'tortured'. Really, such strong words. Yes, opportunist would be what I would minimally call him - using his own kid to advance an agenda is something activists do.

Until I hear the administration's side to this, I'm going to not take this story at face-value. There's a reason why they are not speaking out.

A very good explanation of why the "Ahmed' story - and others like it - is so insidious:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/09/9_18_2015_23_12.html

OH SNAP!