and he almost didnt go through with because, SHOCKER the black folks in the church werent the menacing welfare recipient thugs he thought they were. he got killed with kindness and repaid that by killing them.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/dylann-roof-almost-didnt-go-through-charleston-church-shooting-n378341?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=0d887bb20ff2596957427cb8c1dce9c8

Dylann Roof has confessed to authorities to shooting and killing nine people this week at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, two law enforcement officials said Friday.

One of the officials said that Roof, who is white, told investigators that he wanted to start a race war.

He himself bought the .45-caliber handgun used in the shooting last April at a Charleston gun store, according to the two officials. Earlier, a senior law enforcement official had indicated that Roof’s father bought him a Glock firearm for his birthday.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/


is this clear enough for folks on his motives, or do we still "need more facts"?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

actually sort of looks like a Groucho Marx mask. You can sort of see glasses on the right eye in the picture in the upper left.

Makes no real sesnse. How could he study with the folks he murdered for an hour - with a disguise like that - and raise no eyebrows?

Would he have taken it out after he shot everyone so he could leave? Perhaps.

turns out there was no disguise at all. i'll leave that open joke for someone else.

my husband and i talked last night about how black churches are so accepting of anyone dropping in. though he certainly looked out of place, they prob initially were like oh a young white guy and then went on about their fellowship. read a memo of a nearby church locking the doors and not letting anyone in that they don't recognize. how incredibly sad is that?

Most churches are open to anybody to drop in. I'm sure there are smaller congregations that open doors on schedule (because there is only one person available to mind it), but I have never heard about anybody being turned away from an open church.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.

Who said anything about it being okay? Why can't you follow things logically?

I assume when you say you understand what makes folks kill each other, you are okay with that. Understanding is excusing and accepting.

Are you really that dense? No one said it was okay. I think his point was you can estimate and understand the risk of being mugged, robbed, assaulted, and minimize your exposure to that risk - don't walk alone in an alley, drunk, in a sketchy neighborhood at 2 a.m., for example. But crazy punks that shoot people in churches or schools or movie theaters are people you can't plan for or avoid.

And that is a perfectly valid point. This is not what's been said though.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

actually sort of looks like a Groucho Marx mask. You can sort of see glasses on the right eye in the picture in the upper left.

Makes no real sesnse. How could he study with the folks he murdered for an hour - with a disguise like that - and raise no eyebrows?

Would he have taken it out after he shot everyone so he could leave? Perhaps.

turns out there was no disguise at all. i'll leave that open joke for someone else.

my husband and i talked last night about how black churches are so accepting of anyone dropping in. though he certainly looked out of place, they prob initially were like oh a young white guy and then went on about their fellowship. read a memo of a nearby church locking the doors and not letting anyone in that they don't recognize. how incredibly sad is that?

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Anonymous wrote:white kids scare me more than black kids.

Black kids won't USUALLY shoot me unless I give them a reason to. I.E. if I encroach on their drug trade or diss them etc.

Angry white males - you never know when they'll go off on you and about 10 others. That's a lot more dangerous

I know how to keep myself safe from black shooters.

You can't keep yourself safe from white shooters and that's what makes them a hell of a lot more dangerous, vile, and evil than black shooters.

You mean like Columbine? Boston Marathon? The Colorado shootings? The shootings in Conn with the school kids and the Movie Theatre shootings? now another church shooting?
We can't possibly profile the white males.

exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.

Who said anything about it being okay? Why can't you follow things logically?

I assume when you say you understand what makes folks kill each other, you are okay with that. Understanding is excusing and accepting.

Are you really that dense? No one said it was okay. I think his point was you can estimate and understand the risk of being mugged, robbed, assaulted, and minimize your exposure to that risk - don't walk alone in an alley, drunk, in a sketchy neighborhood at 2 a.m., for example. But crazy punks that shoot people in churches or schools or movie theaters are people you can't plan for or avoid.

Question. I know it was touched on in this thread, but did they ever consider Muhammad (black sniper) to be insane? I know he was executed so maybe not?

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I assume when you say you understand what makes folks kill each other, you are okay with that. Understanding is excusing and accepting.

No, understanding is understanding.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.

Who said anything about it being okay? Why can't you follow things logically?

I assume when you say you understand what makes folks kill each other, you are okay with that. Understanding is excusing and accepting.

You know what they say about assuming... Your leap in (il)logic is troubling.

Only white terrorists can be excused.

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Anonymous wrote:This absolutely breaks my heart. Seeing the photos did me in.

I'm black and a Christian. My church is my sanctuary. It is where I find solace and peace and strength. To have that intimate connection violated in this way is incomprehensible. To have this stain of violence on this historical church is a travesty.

My condolences to the families of the victims. In spite of this, I KNOW that my God is a great God and those who were taken from this world so violently are now wrapped in His comforting arms.

I am not a religious person but I found your words very moving. Thank you.

I did as well, thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.

Who said anything about it being okay? Why can't you follow things logically?

I assume when you say you understand what makes folks kill each other, you are okay with that. Understanding is excusing and accepting.

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.

Who said anything about it being okay? Why can't you follow things logically?

Let me get this straight. Getting mugged in an alley is okay now, because "there is a reason for that"? Some of you need to get your heads examined.