Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 23:56     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
I'm confused. Are there metal detectors at Hardy now? If so, why would increased IB enrollment make them go away?
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 18:39     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.


Huh? You're scary, PP. You imply so many things that demonstrate what a stunted, prejudiced person you clearly are. So you think by getting rid of OOB ( we are OOB and have been since pre-K...now in 5th) and shrinking boundaries (which I have no doubt means that you want to see Bancroft and Shepard nixed) you'll make Deal, Hardy and Wilson schools that no longer require basic, modern era security measures? Because the student population will be whiter and richer? Is that what you're saying. I'd like to tell you what you CAN do...


Scary or truthful? If there is nothing to fear with OOB students, then why don't you attend your neighborhood school? What you say PP implied with words you demonstrated with your feet. No difference.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 15:32     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.


Thankfully the people who actually send their kids to these schools do not think the way you do.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 14:56     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.


Huh? You're scary, PP. You imply so many things that demonstrate what a stunted, prejudiced person you clearly are. So you think by getting rid of OOB ( we are OOB and have been since pre-K...now in 5th) and shrinking boundaries (which I have no doubt means that you want to see Bancroft and Shepard nixed) you'll make Deal, Hardy and Wilson schools that no longer require basic, modern era security measures? Because the student population will be whiter and richer? Is that what you're saying. I'd like to tell you what you CAN do...
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 14:35     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


Any urban school without metal detectors is scary, it is a sign of the times and as most mass shootings in schools have occurred in non-urban areas they should also install them.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 11:42     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.


Wilson needs to shrink the boundaries more to get rid of metal detectors? Not due to overcrowding but the brown kids from Shepherd and Bancroft are now the cause of metal detectors, right? We CAN do this, we CAN make Wilson all white and get rid of the metal detectors! Maybe this is of interest to you:
http://www.wusa9.com/mb/news/local/falls-church/boy-has-lifelong-injuries-after-attack-by-bully/309697815?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=57c2c43304d3012c47963bbc&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 11:24     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.



I disagree with so much of your post but let me just focus on one point...

You understand that metal detectors are there to protect kids, right?
I have two kids at Wilson and I see no problem with the metal detectors. Entering the building may take some time but I actually prefer knowing that everyone has to go through them rather than wondering if an unstable, depressed teen is in crisis and has brought a weapon to school.
Of course you could move to an affluent suburb, say, Columbine, CO where they clearly didn't have metal detectors.

Thanks 11:14.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 11:14     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)

Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.



I disagree with so much of your post but let me just focus on one point...

You understand that metal detectors are there to protect kids, right?
I have two kids at Wilson and I see no problem with the metal detectors. Entering the building may take some time but I actually prefer knowing that everyone has to go through them rather than wondering if an unstable, depressed teen is in crisis and has brought a weapon to school.
Of course you could move to an affluent suburb, say, Columbine, CO where they clearly didn't have metal detectors.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 10:43     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.


If the Hardy feeder parents hold strong and send their kids to Hardy. And, if the majority of Deal feeder parents maintain their intention of sending their kids to Wilson. Then I bet we can make those metal detectors fo away in a few years. Of course it will require DCPS to shrink the Wilson boundary and get ride of OOB feeder rights. But if upper NW parents stand together and don't allow DCPS to fragment us as they have done in the past, we CAN do this.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 08:58     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.


Are you also afraid to fly? Deal also has metal detectors.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 07:53     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
But why are HA's numbers so low? They're relatively close to Hardy, and a lot of out of boundary people go to HA, so that is not the issue.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2016 07:18     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
OP here.

Several reasons.

I expected Stoddert to provide the most Hardy students for three reasons. First and foremost, the principal at Hardy was principal at Stoddert immediately prior. Many families know and trust her. Second, sheer numbers. Stoddert is very large. Third, economics. The Stoddert catchment is more economically diverse than the other schools.

For Mann, most of these point the other direction. Mann is small and, probably, the wealthiest of the DCPS. But Mann has been very. active in the movement to get kids to continue to Hardy. The principal at Mann has the complete trust of the parents, and she's putting her support behind Hardy. This is the single biggest factor for Mann and many families (clearly) are heeding her guidance.

(The comment about embassy folks is misguided in my experience. Most embassy staff have private school paid for if they want it. I know lots of embassy folks and many choose the local public elementary despite being able to costlessly attend WIS or the French School, for example.)

Key is large but it has never seemed particularly engaged with Hardy. For sure, Mann appears more present and Key appears willing to wait for Stoddert and Mann to initiate the transition.

I expected fewer Key students this year. I was figuring about this many Key students next year, so I wil have to revise my projections upward. I think we will see a large uptick, even from this year's numbers, next year from Mann and Stoddert. Double the numbers this year would be a reachable stretch projection.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2016 23:54     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
PP, can I try to answer?
Principle Pride came from Stoddert. That might have something to do with it.
Stoddert has many embassy families, I'm taking a guess here that more than Key or Mann. I'd say they don't want to or can't afford to spend $30k a year for middle school. They also don't want to leave DC because the commute back is a pain.
Seems like Stoddert has way more condos and townhouses vs more expensive SFH in it's boundary than Key or Mann.
I'd say middle class families(yes, upper middle if you look at the whole country) are more willing to give a new school a try that the rich who have the money and/or pressure to move their kid to private.
Mine is going to Hardy in 2 years. I can't afford private nor can the families I know. Then again, what do I know about their money. Seems like the choice is between Hardy or moving out. If any, then we would do private for high school (would be a stretch financially though) because Wilson seems scary with its metal detector.
If I had to take a guess that which school sends the most, I would've also guessed Stoddert, then Mann and Key. Don't know much about HA.
We live IB to Mann now, but in one of the condo buildings. Many kids here, but I see them giving Hardy a try. Private is for high school if any and let's not forget college.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2016 22:44     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any estimates or numbers of the kids attending 6th from the feeders for this coming fall (IB or otherwise) [Stoddert, Mann, Hyde, Key? (too early for Eaton?)]


There are about 18 kids from Stoddert, 13 from Mann, 11 from Key, and maybe 1-2 from Hyde.



I'm the OP. Seriously.

These numbers please me. (I do not have kids at all involved with Hardy, so this is the first I've heard.)

I remain convinced the "big bump" happens this coming year. These numbers already exceed what I expected, so I'm even more convinced that the next incoming class will be many more feeder kids. (The Key kids are a surprise. Mann and Stoddert sent more kids than I expected, but I always presumed they'd send the most. The same holds next year, I think.)



OP - can I ask how/why you thought Stoddart/Mann would send more than Key? What is it about these 3 schools that make you believe they behave differently in their willingness to embrace Hardy?
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2016 17:18     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any estimates or numbers of the kids attending 6th from the feeders for this coming fall (IB or otherwise) [Stoddert, Mann, Hyde, Key? (too early for Eaton?)]


There are about 18 kids from Stoddert, 13 from Mann, 11 from Key, and maybe 1-2 from Hyde.



I'm the OP. Seriously.

These numbers please me. (I do not have kids at all involved with Hardy, so this is the first I've heard.)

I remain convinced the "big bump" happens this coming year. These numbers already exceed what I expected, so I'm even more convinced that the next incoming class will be many more feeder kids. (The Key kids are a surprise. Mann and Stoddert sent more kids than I expected, but I always presumed they'd send the most. The same holds next year, I think.)


Do those numbers differentiate IB/OOB from the feeders? Assuming not. Just curious... b/c that might account for the Key # seeming 'high'.