I agree with the PP who said they've stopped watching because it's gotten too sad.

I think Brandon and Teresa are the only true models of healthy, successful adults Catelynn has in her life - and I think some of what seems like her having a hard time letting go of Carly is really not wanting to let go of the only stable adults she has in her life.

I really feel for all of the girls - money doesn't buy common sense and it can't overcome a life with little to no parenting. I wish MTV would get them all real counseling and not just crappy Dr. Drew.

All I have to say is poor Sophia. Seeing what is put on TV you'd think CPS would have a standing appointment at Farrah's house!

Simon is along for the free ride and ratings. I don't feel bad for him at all.

Good for Gary putting shit aside and going to Amber's surprise party. There's a glimmer of hope for them.

Maci.... Maci Maci Maci. She needs to be on BC or what's his name needs to get a vasectomy. They are a fertile couple. At least they are able to support themselves and the growing herd.

Catelynn is going through such a rough time. I hope she gets the help she needs. Clearly buying the pig she was hoping to mask her issues. Poor Tyler, he's one of the good guys on the show. He's trying to be so strong for her.

Anonymous wrote:Why was Farrah wearing a sequined evening gown on a casual boat trip? And she spent the whole time being a b!tch to Simon. She is awful!

I noticed that too. For someone who always CLAIMS she's happy and in a great mood, Farrah sure is cursing people out and dropping F-bombs a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was Farrah wearing a sequined evening gown on a casual boat trip? And she spent the whole time being a b!tch to Simon. She is awful!

I think she's awful, but Simon is clearly only there for the money/screen time, to play the character of "Farrah's sometimes boyfriend." He said in one previous episode "Thanks for the free dinner" or something to that effect, when he and Farrah fought at a restaurant and she left him alone. He was talking to the camera crew/MTV, who pays for all the activities that are filmed. He's enjoying this all very much, so I can't feel bad for him.

He also tweeted that she's nicer when she's naked. Ew.

Anonymous wrote:Why was Farrah wearing a sequined evening gown on a casual boat trip? And she spent the whole time being a b!tch to Simon. She is awful!

I think she's awful, but Simon is clearly only there for the money/screen time, to play the character of "Farrah's sometimes boyfriend." He said in one previous episode "Thanks for the free dinner" or something to that effect, when he and Farrah fought at a restaurant and she left him alone. He was talking to the camera crew/MTV, who pays for all the activities that are filmed. He's enjoying this all very much, so I can't feel bad for him.

Catelynn and Tyler are always sitting on that oversized brown leather furniture in that orange room!

Why was Farrah wearing a sequined evening gown on a casual boat trip? And she spent the whole time being a b!tch to Simon. She is awful!

Anonymous wrote:Catelynn would not have been okay as a teen mom. Well, maybe SHE would have been okay, but Carly would have been removed by CPS, due to the violence in the home. Catelynn would have been okay as a mom who chose adoption if MTV hadn't been a part of their lives. Every adult in Catelynn's everyday life has taken turns dumping on her when she needed them the most, and is now benefiting (financially) from what SHE (....and Tyler) did. Seriously, April has finally gotten her life together miraculously, after calling Catelynn a bitch multiple times in her 16&P episode and for every season of TM but this one (yet?) Or maybe the money is just finally kicking in...

Catelynn needs intensive therapy from someone who will counsel her about considering a life separate from Tyler.

They really need to end this show.[b] It benefits no one to keep it going, and the "stars" (the kids) are the ones suffering the most.

This-- I used to gawk-watch, but stopped because I didn't want to be part of the problem/reason it and TM2 are still on the air.

Catelynn would not have been okay as a teen mom. Well, maybe SHE would have been okay, but Carly would have been removed by CPS, due to the violence in the home. Catelynn would have been okay as a mom who chose adoption if MTV hadn't been a part of their lives. Every adult in Catelynn's everyday life has taken turns dumping on her when she needed them the most, and is now benefiting (financially) from what SHE (....and Tyler) did. Seriously, April has finally gotten her life together miraculously, after calling Catelynn a bitch multiple times in her 16&P episode and for every season of TM but this one (yet?) Or maybe the money is just finally kicking in...

Catelynn needs intensive therapy from someone who will counsel her about considering a life separate from Tyler.

They really need to end this show. It benefits no one to keep it going, and the "stars" (the kids) are the ones suffering the most.

Anonymous wrote:I get the feeling that the adoption messed up Catelyn's life. She would have been OK as a teen mom. I used to think she had the most going for her, but now she is one of the saddest cases.
My diagnosis is delayed grief. She could take another few years to get over it. She has basically become a lost cause

I don't think it's that. She moreso than Tyler seems very aware that Brandon and Theresa are Carly's parents and respects that relationship. I think she cares about Carly but knows that she is with a good family and happy and doesn't hold any claim to her. What I do think is going on is that her life, because she stayed chained to Tyler, has been small and isolated and she has not achieved any of what she gave up Carly to achieve. No degree, no career, not even a job. They didn't travel. They have sat in shit town Michigan and done nothing. Having Nova only made this worse because I think she saw what a great little kid Carly turned into and somehow thought that was because of her and Tyler's amazing genes. Then she had another kid and realized what work went into that and she wasn't ready or even appropriately equipped to do that for Nova. I think Catelynn has enough awareness to know Nova does not have the life that she deserves or that Carly has, but doesn't have the life skills to actually give it to her, and that agonizes her and messes with her mentally. Breaking the cycle didn't happen at all and she doesn't have the tools to even begin to try and she knows it's ultimately failing Nova.

I get the feeling that the adoption messed up Catelyn's life. She would have been OK as a teen mom. I used to think she had the most going for her, but now she is one of the saddest cases.
My diagnosis is delayed grief. She could take another few years to get over it. She has basically become a lost cause

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe MTV is still filming these girls. Farrah is off her rocker. She seems fine one minute and then out of nowhere, she loses her shit with her "boyfriend." WTH is he still doing with her? I cannot believe he wants the world to see him get kicked in the balls by Farrah on every episode.

Money, whatever MTV is paying him. Also, it had to cost at least 10K to get Farrah and her family out to Hawaii.....and that was because of MTV money since Farrah doesn't do much to support herself.

I cannot believe MTV is still filming these girls. Farrah is off her rocker. She seems fine one minute and then out of nowhere, she loses her shit with her "boyfriend." WTH is he still doing with her? I cannot believe he wants the world to see him get kicked in the balls by Farrah on every episode.

They're all so trashy I can't even stand it. And, Janelle should have her tubes forcibly tied.

Anonymous wrote:Guys wtf with this last episode? What the HELL happened to Catelynn between bringing the pig home that night and having a nervous mental break the next morning! That was so bizarre.

It also truly saddened me to see her and April laughing and toking it up in the car together while Tyler was doing it at home with Nova. They gave up Carly to break the cycle and still ended up drug using unemployed losers like their parents. So depressing and sad especially for Nova.

I'm not sure if it was the next morning or if MTV made it look like that. Either way, being up five times a night dealing with a baby pig (wtf?!?!?) isn't going to make anyone feel like their best self, especially not someone who is struggling with depression and anxiety.

Every episode, I think to myself, "I can't believe Amber is still dating that creep. Why do they need so many pets?" And then they get another one!