Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:13
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:I forgot about the gay hospitals. It must be tough being gay and needing medical care. You can't go to the closest hospital, you have to go to the gay ones. Too bad if you are having a baby or dying in the parking lot- if it is straights only you are out of luck.
When you go for a job interview it must be so hard wearing that gay badge that everyone sees. Everyone knows you are gay so if there are biases, you are out of luck.
Driving while gay, sheesh. You have it rough. It must suck to be gaycially profiled like that.
So you are naive enough to think gays haven't been denied jobs or proper care!? You truly think they've been treated fairly by all the macho cops out there? Wow.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:11
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
I wouldn't understand the negative reaction either. Please explain it to me. It seems like both cases are people who are treated without dignity because of who they are. Sure, gays can "pass" as straight. Do you think that is the solution? What would you think if someone thought "passing" was the right solution for a light-skinned black person?
Are little gay boys being beaten by grown men and thrown into a lake for say hi or hey baby in a store,
Do gay people have gay water fountains and gay bathrooms? Can they be arrested for using the straight bathroom?
Do gays have to give up their seats on the metro when a straight person comes?
Are gays being lynched and hung from trees?
-Not PP
Actually they have been beaten, lynched and killed. And just because they haven't been denied at the lunch counter certainly doesn't mean they haven't been denied their civil rights. You are making the mistake that it has to be 100% apples to apples in order for it to be a civil rights violation. That's just stupid.
Actually what I am saying is that it is not apples to apples so stop making the comparison. If you have issues, then talk about your gay issues. You don't need to bring any other group in this. If you can't understand that, then don't ask why your message would not be well received.
You said they were bringing it up as "civil rights". And that's exactly what it is! Just like it was for AA! So yes they can make the comparison. And mind you many of the atrocities DO compare even though they are not exactly the same! You are missing the point.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:10
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, SAHMs who say things like "our income" - it's not yours, it's your husband's.
You are an idiot. This is what is wrong with modern feminism. I will take 1920's feminism any day.
Um, if you are staying home doing all of the childcare and homemaking as your end of the deal and your husband is making the money as his end of the deal then saying "our income" is totally correct. And I'm a working mom who contributes 50% to our income but still recognize that being a SAHM is a job.
No, it's not. So when DH gets a raise or bonus for finishing a difficult project or solving a difficult problem at work, does the SAHM get to say, "Wow. we got a raise because we thought of a really great solution to that problem/difficult project." No, she does not. And for those of you that'll come back here saying that by her taking care of all the household things she gave him the ability to get that project done. You need to compare whether he would have completed that project if he were a single man living alone. He thought up whatever that project entailed - he was the creative or trained or talented mind that did it. That's why she doesn't earn that income.
she has every right to share ownership of the bank account where that icome was deposited (OUR money, OUR accounts) and share ownership of the assets (OUR house, OUR cars) because she does work as a SAHM and contributes equally to the household. But it's definitely NOT correct that it's equally her income.
That is idiotic. If you think there should be a "MINE!" attitude in marriage as opposed to we are working collectively to raise our family, you should not be married.
The grammar of the SAHMs responding here is laughable.
Like a pp, when I hear about a well-educated, professionally successful woman staying home with kids, I don't think "wow, how great!" but instead "what a waste - hope her parents/husband/etc didn't pay for those useless degrees." Then again, seems some of the SAH'ers responding here can barely put a sentence together. In that case, I'm not sure how them 'teaching' their kids is preferable to professional educators doing it, but I guess they need to justify their "jobs" somehow..
When your name is on the paycheck, it's yours. Period.
What if the SAHM majored in history, would you still say that it's a shame that her parents paid for that useless degree?
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:10
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
I forgot about the gay hospitals. It must be tough being gay and needing medical care. You can't go to the closest hospital, you have to go to the gay ones. Too bad if you are having a baby or dying in the parking lot- if it is straights only you are out of luck.
When you go for a job interview it must be so hard wearing that gay badge that everyone sees. Everyone knows you are gay so if there are biases, you are out of luck.
Driving while gay, sheesh. You have it rough. It must suck to be gaycially profiled like that.
When you go for a job interview it must be so hard wearing that gay badge that everyone sees. Everyone knows you are gay so if there are biases, you are out of luck.
Driving while gay, sheesh. You have it rough. It must suck to be gaycially profiled like that.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:09
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, SAHMs who say things like "our income" - it's not yours, it's your husband's.
You are an idiot. This is what is wrong with modern feminism. I will take 1920's feminism any day.
Um, if you are staying home doing all of the childcare and homemaking as your end of the deal and your husband is making the money as his end of the deal then saying "our income" is totally correct. And I'm a working mom who contributes 50% to our income but still recognize that being a SAHM is a job.
No, it's not. So when DH gets a raise or bonus for finishing a difficult project or solving a difficult problem at work, does the SAHM get to say, "Wow. we got a raise because we thought of a really great solution to that problem/difficult project." No, she does not. And for those of you that'll come back here saying that by her taking care of all the household things she gave him the ability to get that project done. You need to compare whether he would have completed that project if he were a single man living alone. He thought up whatever that project entailed - he was the creative or trained or talented mind that did it. That's why she doesn't earn that income.
she has every right to share ownership of the bank account where that icome was deposited (OUR money, OUR accounts) and share ownership of the assets (OUR house, OUR cars) because she does work as a SAHM and contributes equally to the household. But it's definitely NOT correct that it's equally her income.
That is idiotic. If you think there should be a "MINE!" attitude in marriage as opposed to we are working collectively to raise our family, you should not be married.
The grammar of the SAHMs responding here is laughable.
Like a pp, when I hear about a well-educated, professionally successful woman staying home with kids, I don't think "wow, how great!" but instead "what a waste - hope her parents/husband/etc didn't pay for those useless degrees." Then again, seems some of the SAH'ers responding here can barely put a sentence together. In that case, I'm not sure how them 'teaching' their kids is preferable to professional educators doing it, but I guess they need to justify their "jobs" somehow..
When your name is on the paycheck, it's yours. Period.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:07
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You guys are missing the point. No one *says* these things to anyone. What's wrong with having an opinion about something that is different from yours? As long as it's not expressed, where's the harm?
Because it's virtually impossible to have an opinion and not act on it. It's human nature. If you are against gay marriage, and immigration of any sort, do you think you'd vote for it when it came to election time. it becomes more than an opinion at that point.
And if you judge moms who work FT when they don't have to...how would you act on it??? This post is assuming that these are thoughts people keep to themselves.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 18:07
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
I wouldn't understand the negative reaction either. Please explain it to me. It seems like both cases are people who are treated without dignity because of who they are. Sure, gays can "pass" as straight. Do you think that is the solution? What would you think if someone thought "passing" was the right solution for a light-skinned black person?
Are little gay boys being beaten by grown men and thrown into a lake for say hi or hey baby in a store,
Do gay people have gay water fountains and gay bathrooms? Can they be arrested for using the straight bathroom?
Do gays have to give up their seats on the metro when a straight person comes?
Are gays being lynched and hung from trees?
-Not PP
Actually they have been beaten, lynched and killed. And just because they haven't been denied at the lunch counter certainly doesn't mean they haven't been denied their civil rights. You are making the mistake that it has to be 100% apples to apples in order for it to be a civil rights violation. That's just stupid.
Actually what I am saying is that it is not apples to apples so stop making the comparison. If you have issues, then talk about your gay issues. You don't need to bring any other group in this. If you can't understand that, then don't ask why your message would not be well received.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:59
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Via Wikipedia:
"Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Rüdiger Lautmann believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors."
[...]
"Homosexual concentration camp prisoners were not acknowledged as victims of Nazi persecution.[7] Reparations and state pensions available to other groups were refused to gay men, who were still classified as criminals — the Nazi anti-gay law was not repealed until 1994, although both East and West Germany liberalized their criminal laws against adult homosexuality in the late 1960s."
"Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Rüdiger Lautmann believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors."
[...]
"Homosexual concentration camp prisoners were not acknowledged as victims of Nazi persecution.[7] Reparations and state pensions available to other groups were refused to gay men, who were still classified as criminals — the Nazi anti-gay law was not repealed until 1994, although both East and West Germany liberalized their criminal laws against adult homosexuality in the late 1960s."
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:58
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
I wouldn't understand the negative reaction either. Please explain it to me. It seems like both cases are people who are treated without dignity because of who they are. Sure, gays can "pass" as straight. Do you think that is the solution? What would you think if someone thought "passing" was the right solution for a light-skinned black person?
Are little gay boys being beaten by grown men and thrown into a lake for say hi or hey baby in a store,
Do gay people have gay water fountains and gay bathrooms? Can they be arrested for using the straight bathroom?
Do gays have to give up their seats on the metro when a straight person comes?
Are gays being lynched and hung from trees?
-Not PP
Actually they have been beaten, lynched and killed. And just because they haven't been denied at the lunch counter certainly doesn't mean they haven't been denied their civil rights. You are making the mistake that it has to be 100% apples to apples in order for it to be a civil rights violation. That's just stupid.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:54
Subject: Re:Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Pretty sure there are still countries where being gay is punished by death.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:51
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
I wouldn't understand the negative reaction either. Please explain it to me. It seems like both cases are people who are treated without dignity because of who they are. Sure, gays can "pass" as straight. Do you think that is the solution? What would you think if someone thought "passing" was the right solution for a light-skinned black person?
Are little gay boys being beaten by grown men and thrown into a lake for say hi or hey baby in a store,
Do gay people have gay water fountains and gay bathrooms? Can they be arrested for using the straight bathroom?
Do gays have to give up their seats on the metro when a straight person comes?
Are gays being lynched and hung from trees?
-Not PP
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:50
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
So because they haven't had the exact same issues its not a civil rights issue? How is discrimination, not being allowed to marry, not being able to join certain groups, not being able to care for your loved one in the hospital not a civil rights issue. Gays have been killed just like blacks have. Matthew Shepherd comes to mind.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:47
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.
I wouldn't understand the negative reaction either. Please explain it to me. It seems like both cases are people who are treated without dignity because of who they are. Sure, gays can "pass" as straight. Do you think that is the solution? What would you think if someone thought "passing" was the right solution for a light-skinned black person?
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:42
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, SAHMs who say things like "our income" - it's not yours, it's your husband's.
You are an idiot. This is what is wrong with modern feminism. I will take 1920's feminism any day.
Um, if you are staying home doing all of the childcare and homemaking as your end of the deal and your husband is making the money as his end of the deal then saying "our income" is totally correct. And I'm a working mom who contributes 50% to our income but still recognize that being a SAHM is a job.
No, it's not. So when DH gets a raise or bonus for finishing a difficult project or solving a difficult problem at work, does the SAHM get to say, "Wow. we got a raise because we thought of a really great solution to that problem/difficult project." No, she does not. And for those of you that'll come back here saying that by her taking care of all the household things she gave him the ability to get that project done. You need to compare whether he would have completed that project if he were a single man living alone. He thought up whatever that project entailed - he was the creative or trained or talented mind that did it. That's why she doesn't earn that income.
she has every right to share ownership of the bank account where that icome was deposited (OUR money, OUR accounts) and share ownership of the assets (OUR house, OUR cars) because she does work as a SAHM and contributes equally to the household. But it's definitely NOT correct that it's equally her income.
That is idiotic. If you think there should be a "MINE!" attitude in marriage as opposed to we are working collectively to raise our family, you should not be married.
The grammar of the SAHMs responding here is laughable.
Like a pp, when I hear about a well-educated, professionally successful woman staying home with kids, I don't think "wow, how great!" but instead "what a waste - hope her parents/husband/etc didn't pay for those useless degrees." Then again, seems some of the SAH'ers responding here can barely put a sentence together. In that case, I'm not sure how them 'teaching' their kids is preferable to professional educators doing it, but I guess they need to justify their "jobs" somehow..
When your name is on the paycheck, it's yours. Period.
Ha! I'm PP typing with a broken hand on a phone. Not really worried about grammar. AND I own my own company. So this is not a SAHM issue as I stated in the first post. To use SAHM as an insult says a lot about you. Because it must be a SAHM if there is a run on sentence right? And dear God, if a woman decides to stay at home to raise her babies that is selfless and hardly a waste. Personally I admire them.
Anonymous
04/23/2013 17:42
Subject: Things you secretly oppose, but don't want other people to know:
Anonymous wrote:When homosexuals compare their struggles to that of blacks. If homosexuality became a crime punishable by death how many gays and lesbians will there be. They can hide their homosexuality how many blacks can hide their blackness.
+1
I live in a majority Black neighborhood and had a white guy canvasing door to door on my street encouraging people to support marriage equality and he didn't understand the negative reaction he was getting from my neighbors when he made the Civil Rights comparison.