Anonymous wrote:Advice specifically for those applying to T20 schools:
(1) You can not treat these schools as if they're the same. Each T20 school thinks of themselves as a special snowflake - they're in love with what they consider their own unique strengths, values, sense of community, and institutional personality.
They each have a story about what exactly makes them great, and they each expect applicants to do their homework to understand what makes their school special. And then it's up to your kid to find ways to articulate that in their supplemental essays.
So encourage your kid to invest every ounce of energy they possibly can in tailoring their applications and essays to fit each T20 school individually.
Of course, their odds of getting into those schools is VERY low, but their only chance of admittance is to demonstrate to the schools how well they know them and how exactly they will take advantage of their unique resources and contribute to their community in a way that they value.
It's an absolute PITA. Not gonna lie. And it won't make up for low stats or average ECs etc. But, assuming they have all the other qualifications they need for a school, this extra effort will help a lot.
(2) AND again, there are no guarantees that it will work. Absolutley none. The statistics are clear on this. Even the very best, most "perfect" applicant - the kid that everyone who's ever met them thinks of as a superstar who will surely get into X school - is unlikely to get into that school. It's just statistics. And many such kids don't get into any T20s at all.
(3) We've seen A LOT of mis-matches this year in the T20 space. Kids who applied to 6-8 T-20 schools, were rejected by the ones they loved but accepted by one or two they felt meh about. Which is a special kind of weird place to be.
Specifically, we know two kids who are in to each other's dream school but feeling meh about it. Again, it's not the end of the world in any way, of course. These are excellent schools. But it's odd to see who the schools choose . . . .
(4) So encourage your kid to give it their all in the fall - crush those supplemental essays - but then be ready to pivot hard in late March and April, depending on the results.
"Bloom where you're planted" is a very real thing. But it requires kids and families to let go of their previous hopes and dreams in order to make space for new ones.
Good luck. Reaching for a T20 school is NOT for the faint of heart.
Anonymous wrote:Any other lessons especially from those who went through the process for the second time or more ?
Anonymous wrote:Advice specifically for those applying to T20 schools:
(1) You can not treat these schools as if they're the same. Each T20 school thinks of themselves as a special snowflake - they're in love with what they consider their own unique strengths, values, sense of community, and institutional personality.
They each have a story about what exactly makes them great, and they each expect applicants to do their homework to understand what makes their school special. And then it's up to your kid to find ways to articulate that in their supplemental essays.
So encourage your kid to invest every ounce of energy they possibly can in tailoring their applications and essays to fit each T20 school individually.
Of course, their odds of getting into those schools is VERY low, but their only chance of admittance is to demonstrate to the schools how well they know them and how exactly they will take advantage of their unique resources and contribute to their community in a way that they value.
It's an absolute PITA. Not gonna lie. And it won't make up for low stats or average ECs etc. But, assuming they have all the other qualifications they need for a school, this extra effort will help a lot.
(2) AND again, there are no guarantees that it will work. Absolutley none. The statistics are clear on this. Even the very best, most "perfect" applicant - the kid that everyone who's ever met them thinks of as a superstar who will surely get into X school - is unlikely to get into that school. It's just statistics. And many such kids don't get into any T20s at all.
(3) We've seen A LOT of mis-matches this year in the T20 space. Kids who applied to 6-8 T-20 schools, were rejected by the ones they loved but accepted by one or two they felt meh about. Which is a special kind of weird place to be.
Specifically, we know two kids who are in to each other's dream school but feeling meh about it. Again, it's not the end of the world in any way, of course. These are excellent schools. But it's odd to see who the schools choose . . . .
(4) So encourage your kid to give it their all in the fall - crush those supplemental essays - but then be ready to pivot hard in late March and April, depending on the results.
"Bloom where you're planted" is a very real thing. But it requires kids and families to let go of their previous hopes and dreams in order to make space for new ones.
Good luck. Reaching for a T20 school is NOT for the faint of heart.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sibling legacy (sibling currently enrolled) does not matter ant certain Ivies even when sib applying has identical very high stats, just as great ECs, essays and recs, etc.
Everyone, including counselors and current student’s friends with their own sibs at their school, told us it would help (like twins). A bit shocked since at least got on WL at Stanford, Harvard and Princeton so application was apparently very strong. Baffled
Sorry, that's tough. But I think you were misled. Sibling legacy is at best a tiebreaker because it is a yield indicator. It really doesn't give a bump of any kind.
Yeah. It’s strange because my kid has so many friends with sibs there. We were basically told, apply ED to signal first choice and with those stats and sib- it’s usually very strong at school.
Look at who else got in from your school and region.
Typically can see the priorities with some digging.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sibling legacy (sibling currently enrolled) does not matter ant certain Ivies even when sib applying has identical very high stats, just as great ECs, essays and recs, etc.
Everyone, including counselors and current student’s friends with their own sibs at their school, told us it would help (like twins). A bit shocked since at least got on WL at Stanford, Harvard and Princeton so application was apparently very strong. Baffled
Sorry, that's tough. But I think you were misled. Sibling legacy is at best a tiebreaker because it is a yield indicator. It really doesn't give a bump of any kind.
Yeah. It’s strange because my kid has so many friends with sibs there. We were basically told, apply ED to signal first choice and with those stats and sib- it’s usually very strong at school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sibling legacy (sibling currently enrolled) does not matter ant certain Ivies even when sib applying has identical very high stats, just as great ECs, essays and recs, etc.
Everyone, including counselors and current student’s friends with their own sibs at their school, told us it would help (like twins). A bit shocked since at least got on WL at Stanford, Harvard and Princeton so application was apparently very strong. Baffled
Sorry, that's tough. But I think you were misled. Sibling legacy is at best a tiebreaker because it is a yield indicator. It really doesn't give a bump of any kind.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Following a variety of college admissions pages and reading this thread helped us a lot. Could not afford private counselor. Kids attended a NOVA low ranked HS.
Kid 1: accepted to UVA. Loves it there!
Kid 2: accepted to 6 out of 8 colleges. Commited to least prestigious because it is a great fit, tuition is doable, and excellent program for their major. Happy with their choice!
Meanwhile, one of their friends, who is off the charts smart, 4 year varsity athlete, volunteers, is getting shut out of their top choices. Parents are grads of of top 20 school, but are not on social media, and as far as I know, did not hire a private counselor. I don’t think the kid had enough guidance along the way. Maybe they assumed their kid’s stats would be enough.
What type of advice here was valuable?

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Following a variety of college admissions pages and reading this thread helped us a lot. Could not afford private counselor. Kids attended a NOVA low ranked HS.
Kid 1: accepted to UVA. Loves it there!
Kid 2: accepted to 6 out of 8 colleges. Commited to least prestigious because it is a great fit, tuition is doable, and excellent program for their major. Happy with their choice!
Meanwhile, one of their friends, who is off the charts smart, 4 year varsity athlete, volunteers, is getting shut out of their top choices. Parents are grads of of top 20 school, but are not on social media, and as far as I know, did not hire a private counselor. I don’t think the kid had enough guidance along the way. Maybe they assumed their kid’s stats would be enough.
Did the smart friend get into UVA at least?
Yes, in at UVA, but they don’t think they will like the Wahoowa vibe. They are not the “party hard work hard” type of kid. I tell the parent that there are all kinds of kids there, but it is hard to convince them.
Anonymous wrote:Sibling legacy (sibling currently enrolled) does not matter ant certain Ivies even when sib applying has identical very high stats, just as great ECs, essays and recs, etc.
Everyone, including counselors and current student’s friends with their own sibs at their school, told us it would help (like twins). A bit shocked since at least got on WL at Stanford, Harvard and Princeton so application was apparently very strong. Baffled
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Following a variety of college admissions pages and reading this thread helped us a lot. Could not afford private counselor. Kids attended a NOVA low ranked HS.
Kid 1: accepted to UVA. Loves it there!
Kid 2: accepted to 6 out of 8 colleges. Commited to least prestigious because it is a great fit, tuition is doable, and excellent program for their major. Happy with their choice!
Meanwhile, one of their friends, who is off the charts smart, 4 year varsity athlete, volunteers, is getting shut out of their top choices. Parents are grads of of top 20 school, but are not on social media, and as far as I know, did not hire a private counselor. I don’t think the kid had enough guidance along the way. Maybe they assumed their kid’s stats would be enough.
Did the smart friend get into UVA at least?
Yes, in at UVA, but they don’t think they will like the Wahoowa vibe. They are not the “party hard work hard” type of kid. I tell the parent that there are all kinds of kids there, but it is hard to convince them.