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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

NP

I can’t find a study that breaks out preschool. They’re all lumped together with other teachers

https://www.k12dive.com/news/gender-wage-gap-teachers/645191/#:~:text=Dive%20Brief:,and%20$0%20for%20merit%20pay.

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-problem-for-teachers-too/2023/03#:~:text=Female%20teachers%20make%20roughly%20$2%2C200,school%20poverty%20and%20teacher%20experience.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/03/13/equal-pay-day-teacher-pay-gap-women-earn-less/11444148002/

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:Today's boys didn't create the world they are growing up in but they are still being indirectly blamed or are at least absorbing that message. They are going where they feel empowered which is a natural response.

THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever.

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this.

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.

Girls and women are the ones who make these spaces and clubs.

But boys and men, rather than creating the spaces themselves, complain they don’t have it and someone needs to do it for them.

Be serious. What would happen if the men created a club for boys?

You are describing the world before women created clubs.

True and look what happened to boys when this practice was stopped. Boys need to be around other boys and able to act like boys. Co-ed everything doesn't serve everyone well.

No one is stopping you from creating a boys club.

I send my oldest to an all boys school. Best decision ever.

Yeah that’s super. Then they learn that women aren’t friends and colleagues but only exist as potential sexual partners.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

Yes same profession, same experience … it’s a problem in the private defense industry , you can look up law suits.

Hegseth just refused to promote a female navy officer for being female, you can also look that up.

Very interesting. I just looked up some lawsuits, including my current employer that seems to discriminate more based on age than gender. That tracks.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

Yes same profession, same experience … it’s a problem in the private defense industry , you can look up law suits.

Hegseth just refused to promote a female navy officer for being female, you can also look that up.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS. It has everything to do with the topic, in this instance that women often deliberately dress provocatively for male attention and then excoriate males for giving them attention. So one way to help teenage boys is to stop treating your teenage girls like perpetual victims and may teach them concepts like agency and accountability.

Young adult females dress like prostitutes. You know it’s bad when our son in college calls to say they need to put some clothes on. This is a male college athlete with a long time girlfriend. I don’t know what happened to girl parents in the last 10 years, but they blew it.

No most Gen Zs wear sweatpants and oversized shirts, more dress like Adam Sandler.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh FFS. It has everything to do with the topic, in this instance that women often deliberately dress provocatively for male attention and then excoriate males for giving them attention. So one way to help teenage boys is to stop treating your teenage girls like perpetual victims and may teach them concepts like agency and accountability.

Young adult females dress like prostitutes. You know it’s bad when our son in college calls to say they need to put some clothes on. This is a male college athlete with a long time girlfriend. I don’t know what happened to girl parents in the last 10 years, but they blew it.

So men are failures in life because... scrunch butt leggings? Seriously?

Every time I check in on this thread it gets weirder and weirder. Last time there was a big argument over a fifty year old guys sex life.