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Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Do you have a doctor you trust?

You really should go talk to them about this.

Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.

Two doses still has a ~1% failure rate. That would be over 3 million people in the US who think they are immune, but aren't. Unless everyone in your family has recent titers checked?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Because measles itself is DEADLY.

This is an overstatement, I think. The far worse outbreak in 2019 yielded no confirmed deaths. Guffaw at RFK if you want, but nutrition and the like actually bears on prognosis.

What does that have to do with rejecting vaccines? I don’t want to get measles and I don’t want my kid to get it. What kind of dummy wants their baby to get measles?

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a local news article - the outbreak of measles is not causing a few kids to get a rash and one unfortunate death. Children are being intubated, including an infant less than 6 months old. Pregnant women have gotten measles and now have to be monitored in case they die or abort their fetus. In a recent review of pregnant women with measles, 4% died, and 50% had either a miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, or premature birth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/04/west-texas-measles-outbreak-mennonite-seminole/

Thanks for sharing. Texas Tribune does good work and this article has more data than many I’ve seen.

This is sad. It's hard to see people who claim to be "pro-life" yet are so selfish in their actions towards babies/kids.

Welcome to the Republican party. Such as it is, such as it's always been. Some Rs had their pet project that nodded toward caring about human life - W's AIDS in Africa program is the one that immediately comes to mind. But I'm 52 years old and as long as I can remember, Rs have wanted to do just about everything to stop women from preventing pregnancy or terminating pregnancy, and that's about the whole world of their concern for life.

West Virginia is one of the very few states left that does not allow religious exemptions for vaccinations. School age children must be vaccinated with the standard slate of vaccines to enter school. However, their rate of vaccinations for younger than school age children is very low, I assume because many families wait until the last moment.

The state legislature passed a bill to allow religious exemptions in 2024, which was vetoed by Governor Jim Justice. Justice, who now holds manchin’s vacated senate seat, is a republican who heeded medical professionals’ advice and promoted the COVID vaccine while he was governor and drew the ire of his party when he vetoed religious exceptions. Now that Justice is no longer governor, who knows what will happen. Recently, there was a case of measles in West Virginia from a traveler who had traveled abroad. Despite 150 traces contacts, no one else contracted measles.

Mississippi is a state that, until 2023, did not allow religious exceptions for childhood vaccinations. It once led the nation in percentage of vaccinated children, but no longer.

The reason I mention these two states is that RFK Jr is right - the outbreaks have happened before. But every time the percentage of immunized Americans ticks down by a tenth of a percent, every time a state allows religious exemptions, every time someone like RFK Jr sows doubt about vaccines and someone listens, we are closer to the tipping point where a single exposure infects 10 contacts out of 150, then 20, then 30, etc. And that also goes for infections that sound antiquated like pertussis, polio, diphtheria, etc.

Should we panic? No, but it’s stupid not to recognize that things will get a lot worse if we continue on this trend of not vaccinating ourselves and our kids. Why wait?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Because measles itself is DEADLY.

This is an overstatement, I think. The far worse outbreak in 2019 yielded no confirmed deaths. Guffaw at RFK if you want, but nutrition and the like actually bears on prognosis.

Interesting. MAGA hates facts.

The US only had 1274 cases that year, and the rate of death is 1:1000. But, that year global deaths were 207,500, an increase of 50% from 2016. Epidemiologists say that the US infection rate is likely much higher, since we already had one death.

https://www.who.int/news/item/12-11-2020-worldwide-measles-deaths-climb-50-from-2016-to-2019-claiming-over-207-500-lives-in-2019
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

I'm not MAGA, but I don't think you contradicted me? The global death count from measles really doesnt tell you anything about the rate of deaths in the US. If we're going to be rigorous and scientific here, we gotta do it right!

Americans aren’t known for being healthy and well nourished these days. The only thing saving us from a higher death count was less measles, as we will soon find out.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a local news article - the outbreak of measles is not causing a few kids to get a rash and one unfortunate death. Children are being intubated, including an infant less than 6 months old. Pregnant women have gotten measles and now have to be monitored in case they die or abort their fetus. In a recent review of pregnant women with measles, 4% died, and 50% had either a miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, or premature birth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/04/west-texas-measles-outbreak-mennonite-seminole/

Thanks for sharing. Texas Tribune does good work and this article has more data than many I’ve seen.

This is sad. It's hard to see people who claim to be "pro-life" yet are so selfish in their actions towards babies/kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Because measles itself is DEADLY.

This is an overstatement, I think. The far worse outbreak in 2019 yielded no confirmed deaths. Guffaw at RFK if you want, but nutrition and the like actually bears on prognosis.

Interesting. MAGA hates facts.

The US only had 1274 cases that year, and the rate of death is 1:1000. But, that year global deaths were 207,500, an increase of 50% from 2016. Epidemiologists say that the US infection rate is likely much higher, since we already had one death.

https://www.who.int/news/item/12-11-2020-worldwide-measles-deaths-climb-50-from-2016-to-2019-claiming-over-207-500-lives-in-2019
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

I'm not MAGA, but I don't think you contradicted me? The global death count from measles really doesnt tell you anything about the rate of deaths in the US. If we're going to be rigorous and scientific here, we gotta do it right!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Because measles itself is DEADLY.

This is an overstatement, I think. The far worse outbreak in 2019 yielded no confirmed deaths. Guffaw at RFK if you want, but nutrition and the like actually bears on prognosis.

Interesting. MAGA hates facts.

The US only had 1274 cases that year, and the rate of death is 1:1000. But, that year global deaths were 207,500, an increase of 50% from 2016. Epidemiologists say that the US infection rate is likely much higher, since we already had one death.

https://www.who.int/news/item/12-11-2020-worldwide-measles-deaths-climb-50-from-2016-to-2019-claiming-over-207-500-lives-in-2019
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Because measles itself is DEADLY.

This is an overstatement, I think. The far worse outbreak in 2019 yielded no confirmed deaths. Guffaw at RFK if you want, but nutrition and the like actually bears on prognosis.

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a local news article - the outbreak of measles is not causing a few kids to get a rash and one unfortunate death. Children are being intubated, including an infant less than 6 months old. Pregnant women have gotten measles and now have to be monitored in case they die or abort their fetus. In a recent review of pregnant women with measles, 4% died, and 50% had either a miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, or premature birth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/04/west-texas-measles-outbreak-mennonite-seminole/

Thanks for sharing. Texas Tribune does good work and this article has more data than many I’ve seen.

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Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines

Information about measles from Johns Hopkins

Is measles dangerous?

Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.

Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."

Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.

Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.

Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.

I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!

Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.

The crunchy moms I know were hoping RFKjr would run for president. When he dropped out and Trump pretty much immediately said he would get RFKjr on his team, the crunchy moms decided to vote for Trump. As soon as this happened, my friend who is a 68 year old major feminist made a post calling Harris a bimbo. She now believes Kennedy indicted the fired CDC employees because of their crimes against humanity ("pushing vaccines").

But also yes there are absolutely ultra crunchy moms who voted for Trump the first time. Lots of very religious trad wife types (before that was even a term) share the same beliefs as MAGA.

Pretty much every single anti-vaxxer I know is MAGA. None of the crunchy vegan tree hugging moms I know buy into the anti-vax crap.

Same. I know crunchy MAGAs who are anti vax, but no liberals. Most people who have a brain and the ability to reason so get their kids vaccinated.

If Republicans and conservatives want to potentially kill their kids or take that chance, that's up to them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines

Information about measles from Johns Hopkins

Is measles dangerous?

Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.

Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."

Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.

Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.

Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.

I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!

Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.

The crunchy moms I know were hoping RFKjr would run for president. When he dropped out and Trump pretty much immediately said he would get RFKjr on his team, the crunchy moms decided to vote for Trump. As soon as this happened, my friend who is a 68 year old major feminist made a post calling Harris a bimbo. She now believes Kennedy indicted the fired CDC employees because of their crimes against humanity ("pushing vaccines").

But also yes there are absolutely ultra crunchy moms who voted for Trump the first time. Lots of very religious trad wife types (before that was even a term) share the same beliefs as MAGA.

Pretty much every single anti-vaxxer I know is MAGA. None of the crunchy vegan tree hugging moms I know buy into the anti-vax crap.

I live on Bainbridge Island, WA. The island went 90% for Harris. This is the capital of crunchy granola moms. We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the state, our ped's office proudly displays a plaque.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines

Information about measles from Johns Hopkins

Is measles dangerous?

Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.

Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."

Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.

Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.

Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.

I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!

Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.

The crunchy moms I know were hoping RFKjr would run for president. When he dropped out and Trump pretty much immediately said he would get RFKjr on his team, the crunchy moms decided to vote for Trump. As soon as this happened, my friend who is a 68 year old major feminist made a post calling Harris a bimbo. She now believes Kennedy indicted the fired CDC employees because of their crimes against humanity ("pushing vaccines").

But also yes there are absolutely ultra crunchy moms who voted for Trump the first time. Lots of very religious trad wife types (before that was even a term) share the same beliefs as MAGA.

Pretty much every single anti-vaxxer I know is MAGA. None of the crunchy vegan tree hugging moms I know buy into the anti-vax crap.

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We should be warned which countries are spreading these diseases.

https://apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.1540_62

There's a thing amongst conspiracy people/anti vax people where they don't realize the information really is at their fingertips. This pp didn't think to look up measles rates by country because their conspiracy channels told them the government is hiding it from us... or something. I don't know. It reminds me of my (former) friend who said she won't vaccinate her kids (for anything) "because we don't know what's in those vaccines." (Hint: look it up or ask the doctor instead of listening to some other mom in your homeschool circle).

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Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

Do you have a doctor you trust?

You really should go talk to them about this.

Why? I have lifetime immunity and my children were vaccinated.