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Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

People of the same income but from different cultures have different academic outcomes.
Immigrants do better than natives.
asian immigrant cultures do better than mainstream american culture at every income level

Of course income matters but culture is generally more predictive of outcomes than income level.

I totally understand where you are coming from.

The thing you are missing is, the metrics people of different cultures are using for "do better" are different.

This is from a chinese kid from bay area who wrote a book or an article that I read a long time back.

Say a family goes to a party, the child brings a book and sits in a corner and reads the book or does homework most of the time.

If it is an asian family, every other asian family would be genuinely impressed and openly express their admiration for the kid. What a studious kid, the kid is amazing, etc. is what they would think.

A white family would be horrified if their kid does something like that.

I stereotyped and it is a gross exaggeration. But it points to the cultural attitudes and what each mean by "do better".

In this sense, you are speaking very specifically what "do better" means and by that metric defining immigrant/culture as doing better.

I am asian by the way. I strongly disagree with the notion that any culture/race/nationality/etc. is better than the other.

In this case, I think we are talking about culture as it relates to educational outcomes.

Some cultures value education more than others.
These differences in cultures create differences in incentives and incentives matter.
You just told a story about a kid bringing a book to read or study at a party and how people in different communities would react to that kids.

These cultures may not be better in every way but they do achieve better academic results.
There are a lot of knock on effects that show up in other ways.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

People of the same income but from different cultures have different academic outcomes.
Immigrants do better than natives.
asian immigrant cultures do better than mainstream american culture at every income level

Of course income matters but culture is generally more predictive of outcomes than income level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

People of the same income but from different cultures have different academic outcomes.
Immigrants do better than natives.
asian immigrant cultures do better than mainstream american culture at every income level

Of course income matters but culture is generally more predictive of outcomes than income level.

I totally understand where you are coming from.

The thing you are missing is, the metrics people of different cultures are using for "do better" are different.

This is from a chinese kid from bay area who wrote a book or an article that I read a long time back.

Say a family goes to a party, the child brings a book and sits in a corner and reads the book or does homework most of the time.

If it is an asian family, every other asian family would be genuinely impressed and openly express their admiration for the kid. What a studious kid, the kid is amazing, etc. is what they would think.

A white family would be horrified if their kid does something like that.

I stereotyped and it is a gross exaggeration. But it points to the cultural attitudes and what each mean by "do better".

In this sense, you are speaking very specifically what "do better" means and by that metric defining immigrant/culture as doing better.

I am asian by the way. I strongly disagree with the notion that any culture/race/nationality/etc. is better than the other.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

Selection is race-blind. You need to get help.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

People of the same income but from different cultures have different academic outcomes.
Immigrants do better than natives.
asian immigrant cultures do better than mainstream american culture at every income level

Of course income matters but culture is generally more predictive of outcomes than income level.

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

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We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

I prefer them selecting the top kids from all schools and reducing the impact that buying tests has.

Nah, you want a specific racial mix and you don't believe you can achieve it as long as merit is involved.

Not at all. I'm a strong supporter of race-blind admissions. I do support ensuring these opportunities are available to all students though not just those who can afford expensive test prep. Previously, 90%+ of those admitted were coming from a few wealthy feeders. Without test prep students from less affluent schools who lacked this privilege didn't have a chance. I'm glad they opened this up to all county residents not just those who live in affluent zip codes.

That's like implementing literacy tests, poll taxes and grandfather laws because you didn't like who was getting elected.
These are all race blind restrictions but are primarily supported by racists nonetheless.

They didn't change the change the admissions criteria from a merit based race blind process to an almost random race blind method because of test prep or affluence.
They changed it because they didn't like the skin color of who was being selected by the merit based process.

If you want to select for poverty, we know how to do it without abandoning merit.

Anonymous wrote:At the most fundamental level it is the woke who are racists. They assume blacks and Hispanics are not capable and hence need to tip scales in their favor.

It is not black, Hispanic, white or asian that matters in most things, but the income/wealth level.

If you look at a say just those families with masters degrees, their kids average about the same level regardless of their race. A black kid from highly educated parent would be just as capable in every single respect to a kid from other races with similarly educated parents.

Woke people would rather they feel superior than help the poor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

I prefer them selecting the top kids from all schools and reducing the impact that buying tests has.

Nah, you want a specific racial mix and you don't believe you can achieve it as long as merit is involved.

Not at all. I'm a strong supporter of race-blind admissions. I do support ensuring these opportunities are available to all students though not just those who can afford expensive test prep. Previously, 90%+ of those admitted were coming from a few wealthy feeders. Without test prep students from less affluent schools who lacked this privilege didn't have a chance. I'm glad they opened this up to all county residents not just those who live in affluent zip codes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

I prefer them selecting the top kids from all schools and reducing the impact that buying tests has.

Nah, you want a specific racial mix and you don't believe you can achieve it as long as merit is involved.

Not at all. I'm a strong supporter of race-blind admissions. I do support ensuring these opportunities are available to all students though not just those who can afford expensive test prep. Previously, 90%+ of those admitted were coming from a few wealthy feeders. Without test prep students from less affluent schools who lacked this privilege didn't have a chance. I'm glad they opened this up to all county residents not just those who live in affluent zip codes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

I prefer them selecting the top kids from all schools and reducing the impact that buying tests has.

Nah, you want a specific racial mix and you don't believe you can achieve it as long as merit is involved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

I prefer them selecting the top kids from all schools and reducing the impact that buying tests has.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?

Just have a quota for poor kids.
X% of the spots are reserved for kids on free/reduced lunch. Let the politicians fight over the valuer of X

Anonymous wrote:

We know how to select for poverty without abandoning merit

How?