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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

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It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

A member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters??? Would you please sell me some of your spare time?

She said she has “never” tried to do one.

Do try to keep up, mkay?

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that sororities have changed so much since I attended. FWIW when I was president almost none of what’s been said on this thread is true. A rush committee who has already decided who is attending? Absolutely not. Yield protection? Not a term I’ve heard before. Top tiers everyone is talking about? Totally different from when I went there, and I wouldn’t have ever referred to them that way. We just tried to find girls we clicked with and would want to hang out with, it was not any deeper than that. And we certainly didn’t care where you were from or what vacations you took! Give me a break.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that sororities have changed so much since I attended. FWIW when I was president almost none of what’s been said on this thread is true. A rush committee who has already decided who is attending? Absolutely not. Yield protection? Not a term I’ve heard before. Top tiers everyone is talking about? Totally different from when I went there, and I wouldn’t have ever referred to them that way. We just tried to find girls we clicked with and would want to hang out with, it was not any deeper than that. And we certainly didn’t care where you were from or what vacations you took! Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

A member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters??? Would you please sell me some of your spare time?

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that sororities have changed so much since I attended. FWIW when I was president almost none of what’s been said on this thread is true. A rush committee who has already decided who is attending? Absolutely not. Yield protection? Not a term I’ve heard before. Top tiers everyone is talking about? Totally different from when I went there, and I wouldn’t have ever referred to them that way. We just tried to find girls we clicked with and would want to hang out with, it was not any deeper than that. And we certainly didn’t care where you were from or what vacations you took! Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’ve never heard this either, but I’ve never done a member analysis of the makeup of UVA chapters. Groups tend to want to recruit from the same high schools where they already have members. There are exceptions of course, but it helps to either be known by members before rush starts, or be from a high school that has a high population of women going Greek.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

+1 thank you for saying what I didn’t have the energy to! 100% correct

Yes more fair to let them know earlier than prom. But wouldn’t it be even MORE fair to let them know he’s with the cheerleader at the beginning before he decided to speed date them all?

No because the always a chance before he officially invites someone else.

Anonymous wrote:Not most, but some of the very negative comments in this thread start to remind me of the univ of MD sorority letter that circulated about 10 years ago- from President of chapter there? It was so widely circulated after leaked that even Michael Shannon did a reading of it. If never heard of it and look it up, know that it is NOT safe language for work or home if smaller kids (or maybe for even some adults!).

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

Well, to be fair, when was the last time
you went out and sought to join a group that had nothing in common?
It seems weird to expect women to seek to join a sorority of women who are UN-like them.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

AND PAY for the privilege. Don’t forget that part.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.

They do not want exotic. They want conformity.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like there's no way to make everybody happy. Either you let girls continue all the way through under the false hope and/or delusion they're going to be picked by a top sorority (only to leave them with nothing at the end when the top sorority drops them and they already foreclosed any other opportunities they might have had to join a lower tier house) or you accept that rush is a big farce and since the top houses already know who they want before rush (thus no point in actually meeting and getting to know other girls), you cut girls early and often (which gives them a chance to explore other options but also uses these girls to pad the numbers at struggling houses).

It’s a farce. Cutting early still doesn’t work that way. The middle houses may cut you because your resume makes them think you’ll go to a more popular house (GPA, high school, camps, etc) but the popular houses can’t take everyone (and dirty rushing has them almost full anyway) so midweek lots of girls who have resumes for competitive houses but no connections are left with only the house that’s desperately trying to stay active which is not appealing to most 18 year olds. Why bother rushing? If you want that house, you could just COB that house with zero stress and misery.

Frats get a bad rap for hazing but they do a much better job at matching with compatible members and it’s very laid back. Sororities take all the negative stereotypes about middle school female friendships and sell it as a fun week.

Yield protection!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Girls drop mid week because the algorithm is set up to push girls into the unpopular houses to save the chapters. Girls aren’t falling for it. They want to rush all week and have a choice to make at the end. They’re told to find the right fit until they’re down to the one house the university is trying to save and then they’re told to just take what you get and don’t complain. Sounds like fun?

This is a really stupid statement,

+1
It’s asinine.
What the PP (who thinks she has cracked the code) is missing is that prior to changing the algorithm to “push the girls” toward considering houses they may not have wanted prior to rush week, sororities used to be able to invite any number they wanted to each round. And so all the girls would think they were destined to be a DDD so they’d keep going back there and drop other groups so that they could go back every night. Then the last night, girls who were sure they were going to get a DDD bid were left without a bid at all.
The algorithm just introduces the ones who were never going to be members of DDD to that reality much sooner so that they can have time to adjust their expectations and find another group they like before the last night of rush.
There’s no great way to make everyone happy. But unlike PP’s fantasyland scenario, the reality is many girls never would have had that “end of week” choice. The math doesn’t math on that.
This is like thinking the star football player is going to ask you to the prom, so you turn down invitations from the nice valedictorian, the cool soccer goalie, and the hilarious drama dude when they ask you…only to find out the week of prom that star football player is going with head cheerleader and not you. Guess what? The truth is he was never going to ask you. He was always going with head cheerleader. And yeah, maybe it would have hurt a little if you had found that out three weeks ago, but wouldn’t you rather have understood that reality sooner so that you had considered those other options when you had the chance? But now it’s too late. You’re home crying on prom night.

So the star QB was always going to prom with the head cheerleader = the "top" sororities already know who they're going to invite before rush even starts?

That’s right. Welcome to reality.

So why even have the dog and pony show of rush? It's more fun when there are crying girls at the end?

Exactly. And Yes. Because Greek life is all about perpetuating social hierarchy. I’m not being sarcastic.

DP. For sure. And parents, if your daughter is at the top of the social hierarchy at her NoVa high school, this will not matter whatsoever in the UVA Greek system.

Being from NOVA is a huge strike against getting into top tier, in fact. Absolutely works against you.

Forgive my ignorance, but why does that work against you?

I’m a few decades past learning this first hand, but if probably hasn’t changed that much (considering the three top-tiers are exactly the same). The NoVa kids are so plentiful, nothing stands out about them. They’re all kind of lumped together and people get tired of hearing that you’re yet another kid from Northern Virginia. I guess certain private school girls from NoVa might have an edge, but in general, these super wealthy out-of-state girls have no interest whatsoever in knowing the average suburban girl from TJ or Robinson or whatever. Different universes.

Exactly this. There's nothing exotic or elite or even interesting about your basic girl from FCPS or LCPS or Alexandria, APS or PW County.