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Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

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Still going to get it and spread it so why bother?

To slow the spread. Minimize the symptoms. Protect others.

Look at the CDC UptoDate page. It says the reason to take the 2023-24 updated vaccine is to reduce the severity of illness. It does not mention slowing the spread/transmission. The lack of mention of that latter factor is notable. "CDC recommends the 2023–2024 updated COVID-19 vaccines: Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, or Novavax, to protect against serious illness from COVID-19." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

Some people will also argue that vaccines reduce the likelihood of long covid. However, here's what the CDC website says on that: "Estimating vaccine effectiveness against post-acute conditions associated with COVID-19, including multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) and Post-COVID Conditions (PCC), also known as Long COVID, is challenging because these outcomes are less common than severe acute disease. ... The broad spectrum of PCCs, including its various manifestations and lack of standard case definitions across surveillance platforms, makes it challenging to evaluate vaccine effectiveness against these outcomes and interpret findings across studies." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/how-they-work.html

Thus, reducing the severity of illness is the only reason cited on the CDC's UptoDate page to justify its broad-based recommendations for the new booster. However, Omicron is milder than earlier strains and covid hospitalizations and deaths are near record lows. Non-elderly, non-vulnerable people face very little risk of severe outcomes from Omicron. Which is why nearly every other nation in the world only recommends the current booster for the vulnerable and elderly.

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the vax stopped the hospital and morgue overcrowding in 2020-21. Remember when ICUs were triaging people because they ran out of beds? I think most people have antibodies from prior infections and injections protecting them somewhat now, so it doesn't seem like as big of a deal.

Omicron is milder than the earlier strains. If you look at Society for Actuaries data, excess mortality from covid remained high all through 2021 despite the covid vaccines. It wasn't until early 2022 that excess mortality from covid fell plunged, which occurred as Omicron became the dominant strain. https://www.soa.org/4ac0fd/globalassets/assets/files/resources/experience-studies/2023/group-life-covid-mort-06-23.pdf Page 27, Table 5.9

Omicron affects the upper respiratory system more than earlier strains, yielding far milder outcomes. All of today's circulating covid strains are Omicron variants. https://covariants.org/

It seems like the vax stopped the hospital and morgue overcrowding in 2020-21. Remember when ICUs were triaging people because they ran out of beds? I think most people have antibodies from prior infections and injections protecting them somewhat now, so it doesn't seem like as big of a deal.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

This is from Johns Hopkins a widely trusted and respected source. "Studies show that the <new> updated 2023 -2024 vaccine is effective against the variants currently causing the majority of COVID-19 cases in the U.S."

"How is the 2023–2024 COVID-19 vaccine different from previous COVID-19 vaccines?

The 2023–2024 COVID-19 vaccine targets XBB.1.5, a subvariant of Omicron. While none of the variants currently circulating are exact matches to the vaccine, they are all closely related to the XBB.1.5 strain. Studies show that the updated vaccine is effective against the variants currently causing the majority of COVID-19 cases in the U.S."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know#:~:text=The%202023–2024%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine%20targets%20XBB.1.5,to%20the%20XBB.1.5%20strain.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

And unfortunately overselling the covid vaccine's effectiveness has now led people to decline the flu shot as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

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Still going to get it and spread it so why bother?

To slow the spread. Minimize the symptoms. Protect others.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

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Still going to get it and spread it so why bother?

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Anonymous wrote:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
What are we in for???

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/11/18/only-14-of-us-adults-have-gotten-latest-updated-covid-19-vaccine/

NP. Got a flu shot but will not get another Covid vaccine. This is consistent with most people I know. I also know people who have said they’re getting one to appease the crazies in their life, but in reality have no intention of doing so.

Why not? Aren't you scared you'll get covid?????

NP. No. Not the least bit scared

Aside from the fact the the vaccine won’t prevent you from getting it I’m not at all worried about getting it.

But it reportedly prevents severity and or minimize the severity, and likely sometimes does prevent it all together. I think it may have been said, it can also prevent asymptomatic carrying.

Don’t forget that people get Covid anyway even if they get the vaccine. This is why people stopped getting the vaccine .

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Anonymous wrote:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
What are we in for???

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/11/18/only-14-of-us-adults-have-gotten-latest-updated-covid-19-vaccine/

NP. Got a flu shot but will not get another Covid vaccine. This is consistent with most people I know. I also know people who have said they’re getting one to appease the crazies in their life, but in reality have no intention of doing so.

Why not? Aren't you scared you'll get covid?????

NP. No. Not the least bit scared

Aside from the fact the the vaccine won’t prevent you from getting it I’m not at all worried about getting it.

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Anonymous wrote:I got COVID two months ago. I got the flu vaccination last week. I'm good.

But how do you know which strain you got? You might need the new Covid vaccine for the current strains.

If you got Covid 2 months ago that is probably a more up to date strain compared to the vaccine.

New pp here. I also got covid 2 months ago by coincidence. We aren’t even supposed to get the new vaccine for three months so I get it in February at the earliest.

Same here. I had covid back in early October. My PCP suggested I wait 3 months before getting the updated vaccine.

Less than a month away. You can mask in the meantime. (FYI: only n95 is effective in protecting YOU)

PP just had it, why do they need a mask?

PP's doctor told her to wait to get the new vaccine. The masking will help possibly protecte her in the meantime.

PP already has immunity to a more recent covid strain than what is in the booster.

I think there might be multiple strains circulating at the same time. (Check out the CDC for more info)

Yes, there are. But the booster strain (XBB.1.5) is not one of them. It was prevalent in the spring/early summer but is now virtually gone, accounting for only 0.1% of current covid cases. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

The rapid evolution of covid is one reason Cornell did not mandate the new booster this fall. "analysis by the Cornell COVID-19 modeling team found that mandating vaccination for the fall 2023 semester would not result in a substantial reduction in the spread of infection. This is due to factors such as existing vaccination rates, recovery from previous infection, and rapidly evolving variants." https://covid.cornell.edu/updates/20230428-vaccine-updates.cfm

Are you saying to refer to Cornell's guidelines over the CDCs when decision making about vaccines???

Cornell advises staying up-to-date as per CDC to reduce an individual's risk of severe disease. However, they don't think the booster will meaningfully reduce community spread which is why they did not mandate it.

You do realize Cornell's population is near to the lowest risk? (College aged)

Yes, agreed. Young people face almost no serious risk from Omicron yet face the greatest risk from vaccine side effects. Which is why it is surprising that 70 colleges (not Cornell) still mandate the vaccine for their students and some, like Wellesley, mandate for students but not for staff even though staff are older and more vulnerable. https://www.wellesley.edu/coronavirus

The colleges with remaining vaccine mandates stress the need to protect their community; while students face little health risk from covid, they live in close quarters so transmission risks are high. Which is what makes Cornell's statement so noteworthy. Cornell believes that vaccine mandates will not make much of a difference on transmission even for individuals living in close quarters.

Does Harvard mandate vaccination?

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Anonymous wrote:I got COVID two months ago. I got the flu vaccination last week. I'm good.

But how do you know which strain you got? You might need the new Covid vaccine for the current strains.

If you got Covid 2 months ago that is probably a more up to date strain compared to the vaccine.

New pp here. I also got covid 2 months ago by coincidence. We aren’t even supposed to get the new vaccine for three months so I get it in February at the earliest.

Same here. I had covid back in early October. My PCP suggested I wait 3 months before getting the updated vaccine.

Less than a month away. You can mask in the meantime. (FYI: only n95 is effective in protecting YOU)

PP just had it, why do they need a mask?

PP's doctor told her to wait to get the new vaccine. The masking will help possibly protecte her in the meantime.

PP already has immunity to a more recent covid strain than what is in the booster.

I think there might be multiple strains circulating at the same time. (Check out the CDC for more info)

Yes, there are. But the booster strain (XBB.1.5) is not one of them. It was prevalent in the spring/early summer but is now virtually gone, accounting for only 0.1% of current covid cases. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

The rapid evolution of covid is one reason Cornell did not mandate the new booster this fall. "analysis by the Cornell COVID-19 modeling team found that mandating vaccination for the fall 2023 semester would not result in a substantial reduction in the spread of infection. This is due to factors such as existing vaccination rates, recovery from previous infection, and rapidly evolving variants." https://covid.cornell.edu/updates/20230428-vaccine-updates.cfm

Are you saying to refer to Cornell's guidelines over the CDCs when decision making about vaccines???

Cornell advises staying up-to-date as per CDC to reduce an individual's risk of severe disease. However, they don't think the booster will meaningfully reduce community spread which is why they did not mandate it.

You do realize Cornell's population is near to the lowest risk? (College aged)

Yes, agreed. Young people face almost no serious risk from Omicron yet face the greatest risk from vaccine side effects. Which is why it is surprising that 70 colleges (not Cornell) still mandate the vaccine for their students and some, like Wellesley, mandate for students but not for staff even though staff are older and more vulnerable. https://www.wellesley.edu/coronavirus

The colleges with remaining vaccine mandates stress the need to protect their community; while students face little health risk from covid, they live in close quarters so transmission risks are high. Which is what makes Cornell's statement so noteworthy. Cornell believes that vaccine mandates will not make much of a difference on transmission even for individuals living in close quarters.

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Anonymous wrote:I got COVID two months ago. I got the flu vaccination last week. I'm good.

But how do you know which strain you got? You might need the new Covid vaccine for the current strains.

If you got Covid 2 months ago that is probably a more up to date strain compared to the vaccine.

New pp here. I also got covid 2 months ago by coincidence. We aren’t even supposed to get the new vaccine for three months so I get it in February at the earliest.

Same here. I had covid back in early October. My PCP suggested I wait 3 months before getting the updated vaccine.

Less than a month away. You can mask in the meantime. (FYI: only n95 is effective in protecting YOU)

PP just had it, why do they need a mask?

PP's doctor told her to wait to get the new vaccine. The masking will help possibly protecte her in the meantime.

PP already has immunity to a more recent covid strain than what is in the booster.

I think there might be multiple strains circulating at the same time. (Check out the CDC for more info)

Yes, there are. But the booster strain (XBB.1.5) is not one of them. It was prevalent in the spring/early summer but is now virtually gone, accounting for only 0.1% of current covid cases. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

The rapid evolution of covid is one reason Cornell did not mandate the new booster this fall. "analysis by the Cornell COVID-19 modeling team found that mandating vaccination for the fall 2023 semester would not result in a substantial reduction in the spread of infection. This is due to factors such as existing vaccination rates, recovery from previous infection, and rapidly evolving variants." https://covid.cornell.edu/updates/20230428-vaccine-updates.cfm

Are you saying to refer to Cornell's guidelines over the CDCs when decision making about vaccines???

Cornell advises staying up-to-date as per CDC to reduce an individual's risk of severe disease. However, they don't think the booster will meaningfully reduce community spread which is why they did not mandate it.

You do realize Cornell's population is near to the lowest risk? (College aged)

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Anonymous wrote:Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update
What are we in for???

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/11/18/only-14-of-us-adults-have-gotten-latest-updated-covid-19-vaccine/

NP. Got a flu shot but will not get another Covid vaccine. This is consistent with most people I know. I also know people who have said they’re getting one to appease the crazies in their life, but in reality have no intention of doing so.

Why not? Aren't you scared you'll get covid?????

Anonymous wrote:Multiple infections increase the risk of "long Covid" symptoms

Data from Canada



https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2023001/article/00015-eng.htm

Data from the US (using VA health records)



https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

1) Long covid. Omicron is far less likely to lead to long covid than earlier, more virulent strains. Also, many respiratory illnesses can have lingering symptoms which is why long covid studies need to have a control. This study found that while 40% of recovered covid patients ended up with symptoms associated with long covid, 54% of patients who recovered from a non-covid respiratory illness also ended up with the same longer-term symptoms. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2799116

2) The Nature (VA health records) article is a study of old, sick men and does not have broader relevance. Participants in the study were: 87% male, average age 60, majority smokers, 18% were admitted to the hospital for their first infection, 36% had diabetes, 24% had cardiovascular disease & 7% lived in nursing homes. Do old, sick men have worse outcomes with multiple illnesses/hospitalizations? Yes. Does this have implications for the broader population? No.