Anonymous wrote:Ok? So? Many great students get rejected from those schools. Schools select the students they want. It is not a reflection of your intelligence. Move on and do great things! It was their loss.

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Anonymous wrote:Ummm, I’m at Google do you have any idea how hard it is to get hired as a L4 SWE at Google? The kid is obviously brilliant. L4s have an average salary of 250k/yr and 4 years work experience after grad school. We are talking hundreds of applicants for one L4 slot.

You people are spectacularly ignorant. Stick to counting beans in your cubicle, not pontificating on “big tech” (boomer word as well).

This exactly. And I want to add that the fact he got hired by google should negate the ideas suggested on this board, such as he lied about his app, he had bad essays and teacher recs and that his grades weren't stellar compared to classmates.

This kid is brilliant and his work must be "real" or google wouldn't have hired him (I am assuming the folks at google are smart enough to figure out if his father designed the program). I assume he had to pass numerous interviews and that his high school transcript was scrutinized.

The problem isn't Stanley, it is the college admission system that is the problem. I wish that this was the focus of this discussion instead of trying to rationalize why a kid like this got rejected from so many schools.

It is not hard for me to both believe he is very talented and a great fit for Google, and that he also could have written crap essays and just "phoned in" his college applications. In fact, that seems more likely as to what happened.

He likely would be bored at college and the real value is building his peer/social network...but I am not sure he needs that since he probably has a decent network in the SV area.

I disagree. I think he was probably amazing. But there are a lot of amazing kids applying to those schools. Being rejected doesn’t mean you aren’t smart or amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Ummm, I’m at Google do you have any idea how hard it is to get hired as a L4 SWE at Google? The kid is obviously brilliant. L4s have an average salary of 250k/yr and 4 years work experience after grad school. We are talking hundreds of applicants for one L4 slot.

You people are spectacularly ignorant. Stick to counting beans in your cubicle, not pontificating on “big tech” (boomer word as well).

This exactly. And I want to add that the fact he got hired by google should negate the ideas suggested on this board, such as he lied about his app, he had bad essays and teacher recs and that his grades weren't stellar compared to classmates.

This kid is brilliant and his work must be "real" or google wouldn't have hired him (I am assuming the folks at google are smart enough to figure out if his father designed the program). I assume he had to pass numerous interviews and that his high school transcript was scrutinized.

The problem isn't Stanley, it is the college admission system that is the problem. I wish that this was the focus of this discussion instead of trying to rationalize why a kid like this got rejected from so many schools.

It is not hard for me to both believe he is very talented and a great fit for Google, and that he also could have written crap essays and just "phoned in" his college applications. In fact, that seems more likely as to what happened.

He likely would be bored at college and the real value is building his peer/social network...but I am not sure he needs that since he probably has a decent network in the SV area.

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Anonymous wrote:The kid is clearly amazing if he got hired in as an L4 at Google at age 18.

I have a friend who was hired at Google in the first 50 employees while he was in high school. He was low income, not particularly stellar in HS, and had a busy single mom. They hired him because he had built out multiplayer gaming servers in his free time. So clearly a hardware "cloud" expert before he finished high school in the early 00s.

Crazy if you think about it.

That is crazy amazing!!

Anonymous wrote:The kid is clearly amazing if he got hired in as an L4 at Google at age 18.

I have a friend who was hired at Google in the first 50 employees while he was in high school. He was low income, not particularly stellar in HS, and had a busy single mom. They hired him because he had built out multiplayer gaming servers in his free time. So clearly a hardware "cloud" expert before he finished high school in the early 00s.

Crazy if you think about it.

Anonymous wrote:Ummm, I’m at Google do you have any idea how hard it is to get hired as a L4 SWE at Google? The kid is obviously brilliant. L4s have an average salary of 250k/yr and 4 years work experience after grad school. We are talking hundreds of applicants for one L4 slot.

You people are spectacularly ignorant. Stick to counting beans in your cubicle, not pontificating on “big tech” (boomer word as well).

This exactly. And I want to add that the fact he got hired by google should negate the ideas suggested on this board, such as he lied about his app, he had bad essays and teacher recs and that his grades weren't stellar compared to classmates.

This kid is brilliant and his work must be "real" or google wouldn't have hired him (I am assuming the folks at google are smart enough to figure out if his father designed the program). I assume he had to pass numerous interviews and that his high school transcript was scrutinized.

The problem isn't Stanley, it is the college admission system that is the problem. I wish that this was the focus of this discussion instead of trying to rationalize why a kid like this got rejected from so many schools.

Anonymous wrote:Ummm, I’m at Google do you have any idea how hard it is to get hired as a L4 SWE at Google? The kid is obviously brilliant. L4s have an average salary of 250k/yr and 4 years work experience after grad school. We are talking hundreds of applicants for one L4 slot.

You people are spectacularly ignorant. Stick to counting beans in your cubicle, not pontificating on “big tech” (boomer word as well).

This exactly. And I want to add that the fact he got hired by google should negate the ideas suggested on this board, such as he lied about his app, he had bad essays and teacher recs and that his grades weren't stellar compared to classmates.

This kid is brilliant and his work must be "real" or google wouldn't have hired him (I am assuming the folks at google are smart enough to figure out if his father designed the program). I assume he had to pass numerous interviews and that his high school transcript was scrutinized.

The problem isn't Stanley, it is the college admission system that is the problem. I wish that this was the focus of this discussion instead of trying to rationalize why a kid like this got rejected from so many schools.

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He attends a high-performing high school, ranked #1 in the SF area, so many of the kids will very competitive. Enough to grab acceptances.

If he’s 10% rank out of 460 kids, there are 45 kids with better GPAs. And the vast majority of those will have impressive applications as well. Potentially better essays and recommendations as well.

Top colleges aren’t typically accepting 40-50 kids from one high school.

True, he was competing with a lot of other accomplished kids but he applied and got rejected from a wide range of schools. There is a problem when a really bright, accomplished kid gets rejected from multiple simply because he attends a competitive high school. The college admission system is struggling since SAT became optional and grade inflation became common.

This is exactly why attending a private school or a magnet like TJ may decrease your chance of admissions at top schools.

We can't see this kid's application or the applications of the 40-50 other kids from his HS who were ranked higher.

And we can't read too much into this one kid's experience. It sucks, but no one is entitled to admission.

BINGO! Nobody is entitled to admissions. CS is a tough admit at most schools---schools with a 25% admission rate normally will often have 4-5% admit rate for CS. UC have plenty of highly qualified in-state applications for CS at the top schools---most of the 45-50 kids ranked higher than him at his HS likely applied to those same schools.
He had this experience because he applied to a highly rejective major at mostly highly rejective schools. Not hard to do the math and figure out this outcome can easily happen. He could have chosen many excellent schools that have a higher admit rate or do no restrict admission to CS/Eng/any majors. But he didn't. Had he it would look very different

Sure. But it's not the excuse for school to exercise racism and cover it under that statement. This is always what the petition is about: to find out whether there were admitted students who were clearly less qualified.

You should read this thread because his situation has been investigated pretty thoroughly. The kid had the bad luck of graduating from a school where there were dozens of other high achieving students. Shi**y outcome. Not acceptable. But not too many people believe it was bald faced racism. His HS is nearly 60% Asian and his classmates are accepted to all the colleges that he applied to.

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He attends a high-performing high school, ranked #1 in the SF area, so many of the kids will very competitive. Enough to grab acceptances.

If he’s 10% rank out of 460 kids, there are 45 kids with better GPAs. And the vast majority of those will have impressive applications as well. Potentially better essays and recommendations as well.

Top colleges aren’t typically accepting 40-50 kids from one high school.

True, he was competing with a lot of other accomplished kids but he applied and got rejected from a wide range of schools. There is a problem when a really bright, accomplished kid gets rejected from multiple simply because he attends a competitive high school. The college admission system is struggling since SAT became optional and grade inflation became common.

This is exactly why attending a private school or a magnet like TJ may decrease your chance of admissions at top schools.

We can't see this kid's application or the applications of the 40-50 other kids from his HS who were ranked higher.

And we can't read too much into this one kid's experience. It sucks, but no one is entitled to admission.

BINGO! Nobody is entitled to admissions. CS is a tough admit at most schools---schools with a 25% admission rate normally will often have 4-5% admit rate for CS. UC have plenty of highly qualified in-state applications for CS at the top schools---most of the 45-50 kids ranked higher than him at his HS likely applied to those same schools.
He had this experience because he applied to a highly rejective major at mostly highly rejective schools. Not hard to do the math and figure out this outcome can easily happen. He could have chosen many excellent schools that have a higher admit rate or do no restrict admission to CS/Eng/any majors. But he didn't. Had he it would look very different

Sure. But it's not the excuse for school to exercise racism and cover it under that statement. This is always what the petition is about: to find out whether there were admitted students who were clearly less qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:You really don't need a CS degree to get a job in big tech. Look at the person this post is about! Take a few eng courses, get a well-rounded education that will help you beyond your first SWE job, and prep a lot for your coding & algorithm interviews!

Ummm, I’m at Google do you have any idea how hard it is to get hired as a L4 SWE at Google? The kid is obviously brilliant. L4s have an average salary of 250k/yr and 4 years work experience after grad school. We are talking hundreds of applicants for one L4 slot.

You people are spectacularly ignorant. Stick to counting beans in your cubicle, not pontificating on “big tech” (boomer word as well).

They're not necessarily ignorant. They're just maliciously racist, intentionally twisting the facts towards their own narrative.