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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Super easy. Under normal circumstances, accumulation of experience, wisdom, and wealth monotonically increases with age. The ONLY situations in which it doesn’t is when individuals cut corners, become lazy, and decide to take more than they give. Any grandparent that takes from their kids and grandkids is total trash. There is no greater sign of failure or insult in life than having to ask your decedents for assistance of any kind.

Ridiculous. We make far more money than our parents so it's easier for us to pay. Dare to dream PP that someday you can pay your own way in life. Work hard.

WRONG!! You absolutely should be making more money than your parents. Otherwise, you’re a failure too. Wealth and success are intended to propagate forward. Full stop. Your parents should be living a comfortable and conservative lifestyle, with all excess wealth used to empower your success. The INSTANT you flow money back, you’re robbing either society or your own decedents from a material and meaningful advancement.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Super easy. Under normal circumstances, accumulation of experience, wisdom, and wealth monotonically increases with age. The ONLY situations in which it doesn’t is when individuals cut corners, become lazy, and decide to take more than they give. Any grandparent that takes from their kids and grandkids is total trash. There is no greater sign of failure or insult in life than having to ask your decedents for assistance of any kind.

Lot of underlying assumptions in here about how life "should" work. Not at all the case for everyone. I don't know why so many people seem to have these absolute rules/concepts for life. It's complicated! We have a family.member who suffered from mental illness and drug addiction most of his life and just died. But before things got really bad he had a kid 35 years ago. Once she became an adult she sometimes helped out (with good boundaries) in his care.

Is it the way things should be? Of course not. He had a lot of demons, many of which he didn't cause, and some he did, or made worse.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Super easy. Under normal circumstances, accumulation of experience, wisdom, and wealth monotonically increases with age. The ONLY situations in which it doesn’t is when individuals cut corners, become lazy, and decide to take more than they give. Any grandparent that takes from their kids and grandkids is total trash. There is no greater sign of failure or insult in life than having to ask your decedents for assistance of any kind.

Ridiculous. We make far more money than our parents so it's easier for us to pay. Dare to dream PP that someday you can pay your own way in life. Work hard.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Super easy. Under normal circumstances, accumulation of experience, wisdom, and wealth monotonically increases with age. The ONLY situations in which it doesn’t is when individuals cut corners, become lazy, and decide to take more than they give. Any grandparent that takes from their kids and grandkids is total trash. There is no greater sign of failure or insult in life than having to ask your decedents for assistance of any kind.

And, BTW, the entire premise of respecting one’s elders presupposes the correctness of this philosophy.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like many people commenting that they would never take anything from their kids when they are elderly and have no problems with “resources flowing down.” That is rich people perspective…talk about entitlement. If my kids didn’t offer their first class tickets to their grandparents by their own accord, I would be super disappointed with how I have raised my kids with no values.

Why wouldn’t you trade with your parents? They did a lot more for you than they did for your kids.

Honest question- how would your kids know that was something they could do? Not being snarky/smart, was just thinking about the concept that the kids should offer to trade without being asked. My kids have never booked a plane ticket. They don't really know how it all works. We go to the airport, I tell them what flight we are on, they don't even see their boarding passes now because they are on my phone. They just know there is a seat I tell them is theirs. Not sure if it's reasonable to expect them to know that it's possible to swap seats with someone else not in our group. It's not something we have ever done or seen done

So you would have to tell them that it's possible, and that would basically imply that you are asking them to do it.

Seriously just thinking through all the steps here!

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Super easy. Under normal circumstances, accumulation of experience, wisdom, and wealth monotonically increases with age. The ONLY situations in which it doesn’t is when individuals cut corners, become lazy, and decide to take more than they give. Any grandparent that takes from their kids and grandkids is total trash. There is no greater sign of failure or insult in life than having to ask your decedents for assistance of any kind.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Always? Someone please explain this mentality to me.

Anonymous wrote:It seems like many people commenting that they would never take anything from their kids when they are elderly and have no problems with “resources flowing down.” That is rich people perspective…talk about entitlement. If my kids didn’t offer their first class tickets to their grandparents by their own accord, I would be super disappointed with how I have raised my kids with no values.

Why wouldn’t you trade with your parents? They did a lot more for you than they did for your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Not sure I understand. The husband is already paying for his in-laws’ hotel expenses in Athens. He paid for his own family’s cruise costs and travel expenses. He invited his in-laws to his family vacation. He offered to heavily subsidize his in-laws’ purchase of business class airfare. For all this…he receives…nothing in return?!? The grandparents should be footing the bill for everything. Money flows down. Always.

Anonymous wrote:Op should offer this immediately, they should not even have to ask. Some of you people are just clueless, I can't imagine treating my parents this way. Or showing my kids that this is how to treat your elders. One day Op will be the grandparent, one day.

Same thoughts

Anonymous wrote:Op should offer this immediately, they should not even have to ask. Some of you people are just clueless, I can't imagine treating my parents this way. Or showing my kids that this is how to treat your elders. One day Op will be the grandparent, one day.

Then they should be able to pay for it by that point.

Anonymous wrote:White people problems. Endlessly entertaining in their small-mindedness.

Oh look, the race troll woke up.

I can't believe your parents are insisting AND I can't believe you didn't offer them the seats before they asked.

Anonymous wrote:The idea of being on the same flight with my parents and kids and having my parents sit uncomfortably while we all lounge in business makes me really uncomfortable and I would never do it. I think it’s rude if your parents to demand it, but you should teach your kids that it’s appropriate for them to give up their seats for their grandparents. The kids didn’t earn or pay for the seats either so I don’t really see why they need payment for them, but it would be a nice gesture from the grandparents

1000% agree with this. IMO the biggest jerk here is OP’s husband, and OP is complicit in allowing him to spoil their teenagers at the expense of her parents. Gross.

Op should offer this immediately, they should not even have to ask. Some of you people are just clueless, I can't imagine treating my parents this way. Or showing my kids that this is how to treat your elders. One day Op will be the grandparent, one day.