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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection. They make the crappy decision he likely would not attend...which given that out of state and private schools can be from $60-80K for donut hole families is really crappy.

More likely there was some other reason. Shit essays, most likely.

Whenever a high achiever doesn't get in and people criticize the admissions office, people always point to the essays, as if you actually can know about a person from 1000 words. In reality, it's an excuse for the people in the admissions office to implement their agenda.

NP. I have no dog in this fight, but don't AOs take their directions from administration/BOVs?

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Anonymous wrote:Context: To get a 4.6 at that school, kid likely had to take 16 AP courses and get a full "A" in every one of them through first semester of senior year. (And probably use some GPA-related tricks that Tiger parents daydream about from the time their kids are in diapers.) Only a handful of students in the entire school system can compete with that, and few would even be interested in trying. Anyway, I assume a troll started this thread.

My kid was like this and did not get into UVa or VT. Also sports and lots of extracurriculars The system is broken. People don't want to hear it, but it's true.

And my four white, UMC kids had those kinds of stats and ECs applied to UVA and three were admitted and of the three who applied to VT, two were admitted. The system is not broken; it is just crazy competitive and thus unpredictable.

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Same results for my white, UMC kids. Lots and lots of sour grapes on this forum.

What would the results have been for black kids?

The trick to UVA is applying ED, and having a sob story essay involving "diversity" (no injury topics). You are welcome.

Sad, but true.

It’s true of all schools. Every student has to have a sob story or a story about how they overcame an obstacle in life. It’s all very weird. We sent DS to a British school which is a meritocracy so we don’t have to deal with a broken system

+1 I absolutely HATE this. It's like kids are making sh*t up to appear as a victim who has overcome. It's pathetic.

You just can't be 'normal'. When did 'normal' become toxic and a liability? And, I'm waiting for the rant to this post about what is 'normal' blah, blah, blah, yada yada....in this context--I mean your average kid with just regular life issues that don't have to be made into a mini-novella. Everyone by the time they are applying to college has likely faced meanness, exclusion, toxicity, rejection (sports, elections), injury, death of a grandparent, etc. Just 'normal' things based on their age. But--they have to make these things so 'life-definining' and beating all odds kind of crap.

IT's strange and weird. You hear of kids lying about their gender identification or race or some sob story just to have an angle.

Because some kids have had to overcome a lot more than your kid, and it IS more impressive when they manage to achieve.

Why should that give them a leg up in education, though?

Because if they can succeed in adverse conditions, it shows tremendous grit and perseverance in addition to the intellectual capacity it takes to achieve. Almost anyone can achieve in an UMC hothouse environment (look how many high achiever parents are here) so it’s not as special as the kid who achieves without the prep, tutoring, expensive ECs, etc. many of the truly great people in this world had to overcome adversity.

Only kids who have experienced adverse conditions can demonstrate these things? Such a BS assumption. And grossly unfair to those kids who have the luck to be born to stable, middle class families and who work their a$$ off. My kid isn't old enough for college yet but this ticks me off (and I grew up very poor, first gen, paid for college myself, etc.)

You’re free to send your kid to a rural or inner city school & tell them they’re on their own for college. What’s stopping you?

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Anonymous wrote:Context: To get a 4.6 at that school, kid likely had to take 16 AP courses and get a full "A" in every one of them through first semester of senior year. (And probably use some GPA-related tricks that Tiger parents daydream about from the time their kids are in diapers.) Only a handful of students in the entire school system can compete with that, and few would even be interested in trying. Anyway, I assume a troll started this thread.

My kid was like this and did not get into UVa or VT. Also sports and lots of extracurriculars The system is broken. People don't want to hear it, but it's true.

And my four white, UMC kids had those kinds of stats and ECs applied to UVA and three were admitted and of the three who applied to VT, two were admitted. The system is not broken; it is just crazy competitive and thus unpredictable.

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Same results for my white, UMC kids. Lots and lots of sour grapes on this forum.

What would the results have been for black kids?

The trick to UVA is applying ED, and having a sob story essay involving "diversity" (no injury topics). You are welcome.

Sad, but true.

It’s true of all schools. Every student has to have a sob story or a story about how they overcame an obstacle in life. It’s all very weird. We sent DS to a British school which is a meritocracy so we don’t have to deal with a broken system

+1 I absolutely HATE this. It's like kids are making sh*t up to appear as a victim who has overcome. It's pathetic.

You just can't be 'normal'. When did 'normal' become toxic and a liability? And, I'm waiting for the rant to this post about what is 'normal' blah, blah, blah, yada yada....in this context--I mean your average kid with just regular life issues that don't have to be made into a mini-novella. Everyone by the time they are applying to college has likely faced meanness, exclusion, toxicity, rejection (sports, elections), injury, death of a grandparent, etc. Just 'normal' things based on their age. But--they have to make these things so 'life-definining' and beating all odds kind of crap.

IT's strange and weird. You hear of kids lying about their gender identification or race or some sob story just to have an angle.

Because some kids have had to overcome a lot more than your kid, and it IS more impressive when they manage to achieve.

Why should that give them a leg up in education, though?

Because if they can succeed in adverse conditions, it shows tremendous grit and perseverance in addition to the intellectual capacity it takes to achieve. Almost anyone can achieve in an UMC hothouse environment (look how many high achiever parents are here) so it’s not as special as the kid who achieves without the prep, tutoring, expensive ECs, etc. many of the truly great people in this world had to overcome adversity.

Only kids who have experienced adverse conditions can demonstrate these things? Such a BS assumption. And grossly unfair to those kids who have the luck to be born to stable, middle class families and who work their a$$ off. My kid isn't old enough for college yet but this ticks me off (and I grew up very poor, first gen, paid for college myself, etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:Yield protection. They make the crappy decision he likely would not attend...which given that out of state and private schools can be from $60-80K for donut hole families is really crappy.

More likely there was some other reason. Shit essays, most likely.

Whenever a high achiever doesn't get in and people criticize the admissions office, people always point to the essays, as if you actually can know about a person from 1000 words. In reality, it's an excuse for the people in the admissions office to implement their agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Context: To get a 4.6 at that school, kid likely had to take 16 AP courses and get a full "A" in every one of them through first semester of senior year. (And probably use some GPA-related tricks that Tiger parents daydream about from the time their kids are in diapers.) Only a handful of students in the entire school system can compete with that, and few would even be interested in trying. Anyway, I assume a troll started this thread.

My kid was like this and did not get into UVa or VT. Also sports and lots of extracurriculars The system is broken. People don't want to hear it, but it's true.

And my four white, UMC kids had those kinds of stats and ECs applied to UVA and three were admitted and of the three who applied to VT, two were admitted. The system is not broken; it is just crazy competitive and thus unpredictable.

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Same results for my white, UMC kids. Lots and lots of sour grapes on this forum.

What would the results have been for black kids?

The trick to UVA is applying ED, and having a sob story essay involving "diversity" (no injury topics). You are welcome.

Sad, but true.

It’s true of all schools. Every student has to have a sob story or a story about how they overcame an obstacle in life. It’s all very weird. We sent DS to a British school which is a meritocracy so we don’t have to deal with a broken system

+1 I absolutely HATE this. It's like kids are making sh*t up to appear as a victim who has overcome. It's pathetic.

You just can't be 'normal'. When did 'normal' become toxic and a liability? And, I'm waiting for the rant to this post about what is 'normal' blah, blah, blah, yada yada....in this context--I mean your average kid with just regular life issues that don't have to be made into a mini-novella. Everyone by the time they are applying to college has likely faced meanness, exclusion, toxicity, rejection (sports, elections), injury, death of a grandparent, etc. Just 'normal' things based on their age. But--they have to make these things so 'life-definining' and beating all odds kind of crap.

IT's strange and weird. You hear of kids lying about their gender identification or race or some sob story just to have an angle.

Because some kids have had to overcome a lot more than your kid, and it IS more impressive when they manage to achieve.

Why should that give them a leg up in education, though?

Because if they can succeed in adverse conditions, it shows tremendous grit and perseverance in addition to the intellectual capacity it takes to achieve. Almost anyone can achieve in an UMC hothouse environment (look how many high achiever parents are here) so it’s not as special as the kid who achieves without the prep, tutoring, expensive ECs, etc. many of the truly great people in this world had to overcome adversity.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s best friend had this same experience last year, with a 4.4 and 1550 from a different FCPS high school. Half white, half Asian. Waitlisted at UVA, waitlisted at WM, deferred then waitlisted at VT, applied for business. Really didn’t want JMU, VCU, and didn’t think he’d need them so didn’t apply. Was accepted at NYU, Northeastern, and a few others, but ultimately the couldn’t afford it and he is at Nova and planning to try again via transfer.

I hope he realizes how stupid he was for not applying to JMU, VCU, etc. What was he thinking??

He applied to and was accepted into another state school, but he didn't want to go there. He wanted to go to an engineering school. We can only afford a state school in VA.

Very classy of you to call a 17 year old stupid.

You're right, it was his parents who stupidly didn't insist that he apply to more state schools that his family could AFFORD. Not sure what to tell you?

I guess we are stupid and poor. You are much better than us.

He wanted to go to an engineeing school in Va. That means Va Tech. As soon as he was waitlisted, we looked at GAA and decded to to that instead of go to his safety school. It worked out for him.

Another plug for VCCS: we didn't pay a dime all year He got grants each semester he was there, plus free covid cash, plus a free laptop . He is a rising junior going to an engineering school in Va without having paid anything. Wait a second; maybe we aren't stupid.

Wait - first you claim this is "your son's best friend," now you're saying this person is YOUR son? Which is it? Smells like a troll to me.

You are getting your high achieving people mixed up.

My son had a 4.7 GPA/1550 SAT/3 sports/ team captain/ played violin/ Eagle Scout/ volunteer/ engineering internship and engineering job/ top 5% of class. He was not accepted into VT or UVa last year, but was accepted into another state school in VA. He decided he did not want to go to the state school he was accepted to and wanted to go to VT via the GAA program. Just last week, he was accepted into the Engineering college and about 6 hours ago he was accepted into the Honors college. We didn't pay a penny for him to get through VCCS because of grants and free COVID money.

I have been on this forum to see if there are others like my son that were not accepted into these state schools and to see why he was not accepted. I have determined that the admissions office at VT (and UVa) is horribly broken. There are highly qualified students not getting into state schools for a lot of reasons that are unfair. I don't know if there is anything I can do about it, but I hope it gets better. I will be filing a FOIA request after he enrolls to see what happened to his application from high school and work with an organization called Students for Fair Admissions, the group that is currently suing schools to end affirmative action in college admissions. I think they should also end yield protection too.

I also want parents to know that if the admissions office f's their kid like mine was, the GAA program is outstanding. There is a curriculum that must be completed with a minimum GPA, and if it is completed satisfactorily you kid goes to any state school. The application is almost a formality.

I'm totally telling my son that you think he is stupid.

It’s unfair that tens of thousands apply? These schools are getting over 40,000 (VT) and over 50,000 (UVA) applications. A student not getting into schools with giant applications pools isn’t unfair, it’s to be expected. If you expect admission when the odds are overwhelmingly not in your favor, that’s a sign of you understanding of probability, not a sign of broken admissions offices.

He was in the top 5% of his class and if you look at the applications that were accepted, he was better than pretty much all of them. You dont understand probably. The system is broken.

DP. You are an idiot. You have no idea what the other applications looked like. Your kid is a dime a dozen. At this point, I can see why he was rejected. The sense of entitlement is staggering. YOU are broken.

Thank you for another grown up insult. You exude class.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/virginia-tech/admissions/#scatterplot

My son had a 4.0 unweighted and 1550. Put the numbers in here to see how it compares to others.

You're going by Niche - which is based entirely on user reviews of schools?? No. The only accurate report of stats would be from SCHEV. Regardless, your son is not owed an acceptance anywhere. Move on. Here ya go:

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

It looked like the accep rate for our of state students is higher than for in state students. Any VA taxpayers disappointed in this?

When you don’t understand the basics, your argument loses credibility.

In state kids accept their admissions and enroll at a higher percentage. For example, if they accept 10 Virginia kids, 5 will enroll. If they accept 10 out of state kids, 2 will enroll. So to get the mix right, the college has to factor that in.

They just want the money from out of state students.

I don't give a F what they want in that regard. THat is hardly the most important thing and the fact some of you are ok with it is a reason it's not changing. We should be demanding changes.

no, we shouldn't. Your kid just needs to try harder.

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More likely there was some other reason. Shit essays, most likely.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s best friend had this same experience last year, with a 4.4 and 1550 from a different FCPS high school. Half white, half Asian. Waitlisted at UVA, waitlisted at WM, deferred then waitlisted at VT, applied for business. Really didn’t want JMU, VCU, and didn’t think he’d need them so didn’t apply. Was accepted at NYU, Northeastern, and a few others, but ultimately the couldn’t afford it and he is at Nova and planning to try again via transfer.

I hope he realizes how stupid he was for not applying to JMU, VCU, etc. What was he thinking??

He applied to and was accepted into another state school, but he didn't want to go there. He wanted to go to an engineering school. We can only afford a state school in VA.

Very classy of you to call a 17 year old stupid.

You're right, it was his parents who stupidly didn't insist that he apply to more state schools that his family could AFFORD. Not sure what to tell you?

I guess we are stupid and poor. You are much better than us.

He wanted to go to an engineeing school in Va. That means Va Tech. As soon as he was waitlisted, we looked at GAA and decded to to that instead of go to his safety school. It worked out for him.

Another plug for VCCS: we didn't pay a dime all year He got grants each semester he was there, plus free covid cash, plus a free laptop . He is a rising junior going to an engineering school in Va without having paid anything. Wait a second; maybe we aren't stupid.

Wait - first you claim this is "your son's best friend," now you're saying this person is YOUR son? Which is it? Smells like a troll to me.

You are getting your high achieving people mixed up.

My son had a 4.7 GPA/1550 SAT/3 sports/ team captain/ played violin/ Eagle Scout/ volunteer/ engineering internship and engineering job/ top 5% of class. He was not accepted into VT or UVa last year, but was accepted into another state school in VA. He decided he did not want to go to the state school he was accepted to and wanted to go to VT via the GAA program. Just last week, he was accepted into the Engineering college and about 6 hours ago he was accepted into the Honors college. We didn't pay a penny for him to get through VCCS because of grants and free COVID money.

I have been on this forum to see if there are others like my son that were not accepted into these state schools and to see why he was not accepted. I have determined that the admissions office at VT (and UVa) is horribly broken. There are highly qualified students not getting into state schools for a lot of reasons that are unfair. I don't know if there is anything I can do about it, but I hope it gets better. I will be filing a FOIA request after he enrolls to see what happened to his application from high school and work with an organization called Students for Fair Admissions, the group that is currently suing schools to end affirmative action in college admissions. I think they should also end yield protection too.

I also want parents to know that if the admissions office f's their kid like mine was, the GAA program is outstanding. There is a curriculum that must be completed with a minimum GPA, and if it is completed satisfactorily you kid goes to any state school. The application is almost a formality.

I'm totally telling my son that you think he is stupid.

It’s unfair that tens of thousands apply? These schools are getting over 40,000 (VT) and over 50,000 (UVA) applications. A student not getting into schools with giant applications pools isn’t unfair, it’s to be expected. If you expect admission when the odds are overwhelmingly not in your favor, that’s a sign of you understanding of probability, not a sign of broken admissions offices.

He was in the top 5% of his class and if you look at the applications that were accepted, he was better than pretty much all of them. You dont understand probably. The system is broken.

DP. You are an idiot. You have no idea what the other applications looked like. Your kid is a dime a dozen. At this point, I can see why he was rejected. The sense of entitlement is staggering. YOU are broken.

Thank you for another grown up insult. You exude class.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/virginia-tech/admissions/#scatterplot

My son had a 4.0 unweighted and 1550. Put the numbers in here to see how it compares to others.

You're going by Niche - which is based entirely on user reviews of schools?? No. The only accurate report of stats would be from SCHEV. Regardless, your son is not owed an acceptance anywhere. Move on. Here ya go:

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

It looked like the accep rate for our of state students is higher than for in state students. Any VA taxpayers disappointed in this?

We're all disappointed in what is going on at Tech

As an alum, I am disgusted. It was such a down-to-earth and meritocratic place. It used to very much value in-state students. They used to look at grades/rigor, test scores and residency. Period. Essays weren't part of the application. My kids aren't applying (not STEM-focused like me). I still think it's the best VA University for those in STEM and hate to see the direction it went.

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s best friend had this same experience last year, with a 4.4 and 1550 from a different FCPS high school. Half white, half Asian. Waitlisted at UVA, waitlisted at WM, deferred then waitlisted at VT, applied for business. Really didn’t want JMU, VCU, and didn’t think he’d need them so didn’t apply. Was accepted at NYU, Northeastern, and a few others, but ultimately the couldn’t afford it and he is at Nova and planning to try again via transfer.

I hope he realizes how stupid he was for not applying to JMU, VCU, etc. What was he thinking??

He applied to and was accepted into another state school, but he didn't want to go there. He wanted to go to an engineering school. We can only afford a state school in VA.

Very classy of you to call a 17 year old stupid.

You're right, it was his parents who stupidly didn't insist that he apply to more state schools that his family could AFFORD. Not sure what to tell you?

I guess we are stupid and poor. You are much better than us.

He wanted to go to an engineeing school in Va. That means Va Tech. As soon as he was waitlisted, we looked at GAA and decded to to that instead of go to his safety school. It worked out for him.

Another plug for VCCS: we didn't pay a dime all year He got grants each semester he was there, plus free covid cash, plus a free laptop . He is a rising junior going to an engineering school in Va without having paid anything. Wait a second; maybe we aren't stupid.

Wait - first you claim this is "your son's best friend," now you're saying this person is YOUR son? Which is it? Smells like a troll to me.

You are getting your high achieving people mixed up.

My son had a 4.7 GPA/1550 SAT/3 sports/ team captain/ played violin/ Eagle Scout/ volunteer/ engineering internship and engineering job/ top 5% of class. He was not accepted into VT or UVa last year, but was accepted into another state school in VA. He decided he did not want to go to the state school he was accepted to and wanted to go to VT via the GAA program. Just last week, he was accepted into the Engineering college and about 6 hours ago he was accepted into the Honors college. We didn't pay a penny for him to get through VCCS because of grants and free COVID money.

I have been on this forum to see if there are others like my son that were not accepted into these state schools and to see why he was not accepted. I have determined that the admissions office at VT (and UVa) is horribly broken. There are highly qualified students not getting into state schools for a lot of reasons that are unfair. I don't know if there is anything I can do about it, but I hope it gets better. I will be filing a FOIA request after he enrolls to see what happened to his application from high school and work with an organization called Students for Fair Admissions, the group that is currently suing schools to end affirmative action in college admissions. I think they should also end yield protection too.

I also want parents to know that if the admissions office f's their kid like mine was, the GAA program is outstanding. There is a curriculum that must be completed with a minimum GPA, and if it is completed satisfactorily you kid goes to any state school. The application is almost a formality.

I'm totally telling my son that you think he is stupid.

It’s unfair that tens of thousands apply? These schools are getting over 40,000 (VT) and over 50,000 (UVA) applications. A student not getting into schools with giant applications pools isn’t unfair, it’s to be expected. If you expect admission when the odds are overwhelmingly not in your favor, that’s a sign of you understanding of probability, not a sign of broken admissions offices.

He was in the top 5% of his class and if you look at the applications that were accepted, he was better than pretty much all of them. You dont understand probably. The system is broken.

DP. You are an idiot. You have no idea what the other applications looked like. Your kid is a dime a dozen. At this point, I can see why he was rejected. The sense of entitlement is staggering. YOU are broken.

Thank you for another grown up insult. You exude class.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/virginia-tech/admissions/#scatterplot

My son had a 4.0 unweighted and 1550. Put the numbers in here to see how it compares to others.

You're going by Niche - which is based entirely on user reviews of schools?? No. The only accurate report of stats would be from SCHEV. Regardless, your son is not owed an acceptance anywhere. Move on. Here ya go:

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

It looked like the accep rate for our of state students is higher than for in state students. Any VA taxpayers disappointed in this?

We're all disappointed in what is going on at Tech

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Anonymous wrote:Context: To get a 4.6 at that school, kid likely had to take 16 AP courses and get a full "A" in every one of them through first semester of senior year. (And probably use some GPA-related tricks that Tiger parents daydream about from the time their kids are in diapers.) Only a handful of students in the entire school system can compete with that, and few would even be interested in trying. Anyway, I assume a troll started this thread.

My kid was like this and did not get into UVa or VT. Also sports and lots of extracurriculars The system is broken. People don't want to hear it, but it's true.

And my four white, UMC kids had those kinds of stats and ECs applied to UVA and three were admitted and of the three who applied to VT, two were admitted. The system is not broken; it is just crazy competitive and thus unpredictable.

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Same results for my white, UMC kids. Lots and lots of sour grapes on this forum.

What would the results have been for black kids?

The trick to UVA is applying ED, and having a sob story essay involving "diversity" (no injury topics). You are welcome.

Sad, but true.

It’s true of all schools. Every student has to have a sob story or a story about how they overcame an obstacle in life. It’s all very weird. We sent DS to a British school which is a meritocracy so we don’t have to deal with a broken system

+1 I absolutely HATE this. It's like kids are making sh*t up to appear as a victim who has overcome. It's pathetic.

You just can't be 'normal'. When did 'normal' become toxic and a liability? And, I'm waiting for the rant to this post about what is 'normal' blah, blah, blah, yada yada....in this context--I mean your average kid with just regular life issues that don't have to be made into a mini-novella. Everyone by the time they are applying to college has likely faced meanness, exclusion, toxicity, rejection (sports, elections), injury, death of a grandparent, etc. Just 'normal' things based on their age. But--they have to make these things so 'life-definining' and beating all odds kind of crap.

IT's strange and weird. You hear of kids lying about their gender identification or race or some sob story just to have an angle.

Because some kids have had to overcome a lot more than your kid, and it IS more impressive when they manage to achieve.

Why should that give them a leg up in education, though?

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Anonymous wrote:My son’s best friend had this same experience last year, with a 4.4 and 1550 from a different FCPS high school. Half white, half Asian. Waitlisted at UVA, waitlisted at WM, deferred then waitlisted at VT, applied for business. Really didn’t want JMU, VCU, and didn’t think he’d need them so didn’t apply. Was accepted at NYU, Northeastern, and a few others, but ultimately the couldn’t afford it and he is at Nova and planning to try again via transfer.

I hope he realizes how stupid he was for not applying to JMU, VCU, etc. What was he thinking??

He applied to and was accepted into another state school, but he didn't want to go there. He wanted to go to an engineering school. We can only afford a state school in VA.

Very classy of you to call a 17 year old stupid.

You're right, it was his parents who stupidly didn't insist that he apply to more state schools that his family could AFFORD. Not sure what to tell you?

I guess we are stupid and poor. You are much better than us.

He wanted to go to an engineeing school in Va. That means Va Tech. As soon as he was waitlisted, we looked at GAA and decded to to that instead of go to his safety school. It worked out for him.

Another plug for VCCS: we didn't pay a dime all year He got grants each semester he was there, plus free covid cash, plus a free laptop . He is a rising junior going to an engineering school in Va without having paid anything. Wait a second; maybe we aren't stupid.

Wait - first you claim this is "your son's best friend," now you're saying this person is YOUR son? Which is it? Smells like a troll to me.

You are getting your high achieving people mixed up.

My son had a 4.7 GPA/1550 SAT/3 sports/ team captain/ played violin/ Eagle Scout/ volunteer/ engineering internship and engineering job/ top 5% of class. He was not accepted into VT or UVa last year, but was accepted into another state school in VA. He decided he did not want to go to the state school he was accepted to and wanted to go to VT via the GAA program. Just last week, he was accepted into the Engineering college and about 6 hours ago he was accepted into the Honors college. We didn't pay a penny for him to get through VCCS because of grants and free COVID money.

I have been on this forum to see if there are others like my son that were not accepted into these state schools and to see why he was not accepted. I have determined that the admissions office at VT (and UVa) is horribly broken. There are highly qualified students not getting into state schools for a lot of reasons that are unfair. I don't know if there is anything I can do about it, but I hope it gets better. I will be filing a FOIA request after he enrolls to see what happened to his application from high school and work with an organization called Students for Fair Admissions, the group that is currently suing schools to end affirmative action in college admissions. I think they should also end yield protection too.

I also want parents to know that if the admissions office f's their kid like mine was, the GAA program is outstanding. There is a curriculum that must be completed with a minimum GPA, and if it is completed satisfactorily you kid goes to any state school. The application is almost a formality.

I'm totally telling my son that you think he is stupid.

It’s unfair that tens of thousands apply? These schools are getting over 40,000 (VT) and over 50,000 (UVA) applications. A student not getting into schools with giant applications pools isn’t unfair, it’s to be expected. If you expect admission when the odds are overwhelmingly not in your favor, that’s a sign of you understanding of probability, not a sign of broken admissions offices.

He was in the top 5% of his class and if you look at the applications that were accepted, he was better than pretty much all of them. You dont understand probably. The system is broken.

DP. You are an idiot. You have no idea what the other applications looked like. Your kid is a dime a dozen. At this point, I can see why he was rejected. The sense of entitlement is staggering. YOU are broken.

Thank you for another grown up insult. You exude class.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/virginia-tech/admissions/#scatterplot

My son had a 4.0 unweighted and 1550. Put the numbers in here to see how it compares to others.

You're going by Niche - which is based entirely on user reviews of schools?? No. The only accurate report of stats would be from SCHEV. Regardless, your son is not owed an acceptance anywhere. Move on. Here ya go:

https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921

It looked like the accep rate for our of state students is higher than for in state students. Any VA taxpayers disappointed in this?

When you don’t understand the basics, your argument loses credibility.

In state kids accept their admissions and enroll at a higher percentage. For example, if they accept 10 Virginia kids, 5 will enroll. If they accept 10 out of state kids, 2 will enroll. So to get the mix right, the college has to factor that in.

They just want the money from out of state students.

I don't give a F what they want in that regard. THat is hardly the most important thing and the fact some of you are ok with it is a reason it's not changing. We should be demanding changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Context: To get a 4.6 at that school, kid likely had to take 16 AP courses and get a full "A" in every one of them through first semester of senior year. (And probably use some GPA-related tricks that Tiger parents daydream about from the time their kids are in diapers.) Only a handful of students in the entire school system can compete with that, and few would even be interested in trying. Anyway, I assume a troll started this thread.

My kid was like this and did not get into UVa or VT. Also sports and lots of extracurriculars The system is broken. People don't want to hear it, but it's true.

And my four white, UMC kids had those kinds of stats and ECs applied to UVA and three were admitted and of the three who applied to VT, two were admitted. The system is not broken; it is just crazy competitive and thus unpredictable.

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Same results for my white, UMC kids. Lots and lots of sour grapes on this forum.

What would the results have been for black kids?

The trick to UVA is applying ED, and having a sob story essay involving "diversity" (no injury topics). You are welcome.

Sad, but true.

It’s true of all schools. Every student has to have a sob story or a story about how they overcame an obstacle in life. It’s all very weird. We sent DS to a British school which is a meritocracy so we don’t have to deal with a broken system

+1 I absolutely HATE this. It's like kids are making sh*t up to appear as a victim who has overcome. It's pathetic.

You just can't be 'normal'. When did 'normal' become toxic and a liability? And, I'm waiting for the rant to this post about what is 'normal' blah, blah, blah, yada yada....in this context--I mean your average kid with just regular life issues that don't have to be made into a mini-novella. Everyone by the time they are applying to college has likely faced meanness, exclusion, toxicity, rejection (sports, elections), injury, death of a grandparent, etc. Just 'normal' things based on their age. But--they have to make these things so 'life-definining' and beating all odds kind of crap.

IT's strange and weird. You hear of kids lying about their gender identification or race or some sob story just to have an angle.

Because some kids have had to overcome a lot more than your kid, and it IS more impressive when they manage to achieve.

Anonymous wrote:Yield protection. They make the crappy decision he likely would not attend...which given that out of state and private schools can be from $60-80K for donut hole families is really crappy.