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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

You can’t understand why an approximately 14 yo Harry and 16 yo Williams might not have wanted their father to marry his mistress less than two years after their mother’s death given how much a marriage would stir up the media rehashing Charles and Diana’s marriage and Diana’s death? The boys gave their blessing to the relationship, they just asked not to bring the media onslaught of a wedding upon them.

Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

And what did you hear about them? The story about losing his virginity came across as far more sordid in the translation than in the English language original. Similarly, people made out the part about his penis frostbite and the Elizabeth Arden cream to be some erotic thing about his mother, when in reality a friend had recommended a specific cream to him to treat the frostbite that was the same as his mother had used, and he basically said the smell reminded him of her when he opened it so the experience was kind of weird but he dealt with it and moved on. The real focus on the frostbite anecdote was the challenges of getting medical care for the problem discreetly because he didn’t trust that it wouldn’t end up in the tabloids if he went through the usual staff channels to make an appointment.

People also spun the 25 kills thing in weird ways. He said that most soldiers can’t really track their kill numbers because they happen in things like firefights where you don’t know for sure, but because of the nature of the Apache work he did during the tours, he actually did know his number. He said he felt it was important to know the number for accountability rather than live in willful ignorance, and that he was neither ashamed nor proud of it. What do you think is problematic about that anecdote?

It's incredibly problematic.

https://apnews.com/article/prince-harry-afghanistan-service-claims-1c497d35a8211dc0366429856a539e2a

And yes, after criticism, he responded defensively. Instead of apologizing for doing the wrong thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

And what did you hear about them? The story about losing his virginity came across as far more sordid in the translation than in the English language original. Similarly, people made out the part about his penis frostbite and the Elizabeth Arden cream to be some erotic thing about his mother, when in reality a friend had recommended a specific cream to him to treat the frostbite that was the same as his mother had used, and he basically said the smell reminded him of her when he opened it so the experience was kind of weird but he dealt with it and moved on. The real focus on the frostbite anecdote was the challenges of getting medical care for the problem discreetly because he didn’t trust that it wouldn’t end up in the tabloids if he went through the usual staff channels to make an appointment.

People also spun the 25 kills thing in weird ways. He said that most soldiers can’t really track their kill numbers because they happen in things like firefights where you don’t know for sure, but because of the nature of the Apache work he did during the tours, he actually did know his number. He said he felt it was important to know the number for accountability rather than live in willful ignorance, and that he was neither ashamed nor proud of it. What do you think is problematic about that anecdote?

It's incredibly problematic.

https://apnews.com/article/prince-harry-afghanistan-service-claims-1c497d35a8211dc0366429856a539e2a

And yes, after criticism, he responded defensively. Instead of apologizing for doing the wrong thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

And what did you hear about them? The story about losing his virginity came across as far more sordid in the translation than in the English language original. Similarly, people made out the part about his penis frostbite and the Elizabeth Arden cream to be some erotic thing about his mother, when in reality a friend had recommended a specific cream to him to treat the frostbite that was the same as his mother had used, and he basically said the smell reminded him of her when he opened it so the experience was kind of weird but he dealt with it and moved on. The real focus on the frostbite anecdote was the challenges of getting medical care for the problem discreetly because he didn’t trust that it wouldn’t end up in the tabloids if he went through the usual staff channels to make an appointment.

People also spun the 25 kills thing in weird ways. He said that most soldiers can’t really track their kill numbers because they happen in things like firefights where you don’t know for sure, but because of the nature of the Apache work he did during the tours, he actually did know his number. He said he felt it was important to know the number for accountability rather than live in willful ignorance, and that he was neither ashamed nor proud of it. What do you think is problematic about that anecdote?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

And what did you hear about them? The story about losing his virginity came across as far more sordid in the translation than in the English language original. Similarly, people made out the part about his penis frostbite and the Elizabeth Arden cream to be some erotic thing about his mother, when in reality a friend had recommended a specific cream to him to treat the frostbite that was the same as his mother had used, and he basically said the smell reminded him of her when he opened it so the experience was kind of weird but he dealt with it and moved on. The real focus on the frostbite anecdote was the challenges of getting medical care for the problem discreetly because he didn’t trust that it wouldn’t end up in the tabloids if he went through the usual staff channels to make an appointment.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

The stories I saw were about

Harry losing his virginity

Harry being pushed onto a dog food bowl by his brother

Harry talking to his dad to get him to not marry Camilla

Harry getting mad William didn't come away with him before his wedding and a story about his penis freezing before William's wedding

Stories of Meghan wearing jeans and to being hugged by Kate, a conversation between Kate and Meghan about flowergirl dresses, and William and Kate being awed by Meghan being in Suits

Harry now having found Meghan on instagram and started dating that way and Meghan knowing nothing about the RF

Harry talking about Meghan being magical and him swimming with seals.

William and Kate laughing / supporting the Nazi outfit

Harry killing 25 Taliban

I have a hard time believing that none of that was actually in the book and that it was all made up by journalists. I haven't read the book but the BBC and reuters and others were commenting on these stories so when people on here say it was all lies and if you read he book you would know that none of that is even in it...I find that hard to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

Part of the issue after the Spanish version released early was that journalists were sticking passages into translation apps and then reporting the translations as accurate, when in fact they mischaracterized the book in certain respects. It doesn’t take a lot of mistranslation to totally change the tone of an anecdote.

Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

This.

+1 It's hard to argue Harry didn't write this book out of anger. To me he is as dim-witted as everyone says he is because he has made it clear he wants to remain within the royal fold in some capacity (demands security so he can keep visiting UK, wants titles for his children, and would jump at a chance for a half in half out role). He wants the royal pomp but on his own terms, and when that didn't happen he decided to seek revenge.

+1

And if the monarchy and specific people in it are so bad, why would he and Meghan choose to use the titles related to it?