Anonymous
05/24/2022 08:33
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
No one said STA wasn't hard, it definitely is. However, many parents who have kids at both schools will tell you that NCS is harder (not necessarily better!) than STA. Ask the STA boys who take an English class over at NCS during Junior or Senior year. They will tell you the same.
Why do you have your kid at NCS? If it is true it puts them at a huge disadvantage for college admissions. Seriously are you just lazy?
Anonymous
05/24/2022 08:11
Subject: NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:It grows tougher each year for girls and increasingly for white students applying ED as competitive schools try to engineer their diversity when they can through ED. NCS has an abundance of both and so just by holding steady, it has done well.
Maybe the driver behind the shift toward better college admissions for talented student athletes and bright and talented URM is that in the last 5-10 years NCS has begun admitting more of these types of girls to its MS or HS entry years AND the Ivy League is similarly seeking this type of diverse talent
Maybe in 1970 and even 1980's there were less near perfect 1600 SAT scorers who were also national caliber in CREW or Fencing or LAX. There also likely far more so called " URM " at NCS who actually are the daughters of the Washington elite. How very easy then for an Ivy to accept them as a win / win for checking both the URM and the legacy box or the development box
NCS is for the most part a school sought by establishment achievers. It should not surprise anyone that 2-3 generations past the LBJ/ Kennedy years the grandchildren and/or great grandchildren of those who achieved and established themselves in Washington in that Era are now far more common in a school like NCS than they were in the 70's / 80's
Anonymous
05/24/2022 08:05
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the STA boys are working very hard, I don't think anyone disputes that. It just seems they have a sightly more "reasonable" (its all relative) approach than NCS. The STA classes are easier grades which is why all the girls try to take them, and vice versa why the boys don't want to take the NCS classes. All this just shows how ridiculous the entire thing is.
OF course in the long run, the education is outstanding (at both schools) and the kids will have earned it, but it is beyond rigorous. My G10 NCS daughters teacher was a university professor before he came to NCS and he told my daughter that the assignments at NCS in his class (G10) were harder than first year college. This seems a little extreme even if you are looking for a great education.
You sound like a complete baby. Seriously. Many boys work hours at STA on papers that when read appear to be perfectly written and they never get As. There are a few classes that are known for this. In fact parents were just discussing this the other day how their son’s gpa sunk because of one class. It happens at STA, NCS, and all top schools. You are complaining because you or your daughter (I suspect you may be a disgruntled student) are getting b’s. Writing is subjective and we have all had teachers that didn’t like our writing style. It is also possible your daughter may not be as strong of a writer as you think she is. Sounds like she and you are focusing on the A rather than writing a good paper.
Anonymous
05/24/2022 07:45
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:I agree that the STA boys are working very hard, I don't think anyone disputes that. It just seems they have a sightly more "reasonable" (its all relative) approach than NCS. The STA classes are easier grades which is why all the girls try to take them, and vice versa why the boys don't want to take the NCS classes. All this just shows how ridiculous the entire thing is.
OF course in the long run, the education is outstanding (at both schools) and the kids will have earned it, but it is beyond rigorous. My G10 NCS daughters teacher was a university professor before he came to NCS and he told my daughter that the assignments at NCS in his class (G10) were harder than first year college. This seems a little extreme even if you are looking for a great education.
THIS
How long have the majority of faculty in the subjective grading courses ( English & History) been at NCS and is it possible that they have been breathing the rarified air for too many decades and that their expectations are set too high
expectations that boys might rebel from, but which striving and compliant girls will just kill themselves to meet- in silence
OR, are the girls just not as bright as their parents think/ expect them to be ?
Anonymous
05/23/2022 17:11
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
I agree that the STA boys are working very hard, I don't think anyone disputes that. It just seems they have a sightly more "reasonable" (its all relative) approach than NCS. The STA classes are easier grades which is why all the girls try to take them, and vice versa why the boys don't want to take the NCS classes. All this just shows how ridiculous the entire thing is.
OF course in the long run, the education is outstanding (at both schools) and the kids will have earned it, but it is beyond rigorous. My G10 NCS daughters teacher was a university professor before he came to NCS and he told my daughter that the assignments at NCS in his class (G10) were harder than first year college. This seems a little extreme even if you are looking for a great education.
OF course in the long run, the education is outstanding (at both schools) and the kids will have earned it, but it is beyond rigorous. My G10 NCS daughters teacher was a university professor before he came to NCS and he told my daughter that the assignments at NCS in his class (G10) were harder than first year college. This seems a little extreme even if you are looking for a great education.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 16:54
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
I have kids in both high schools.
STA is not easy but it's objectively much easier than NCS. If you do the readings, write the papers and study you can do well. You might have to do a lot of work but if you do it, you'll do well.
NCS is next level. Girls can do everything right and still get a B+ because the teacher is only giving out two A minuses across 80 kids. It's just impossible at times.
You can do the work, stand on your head, count to 100, say the magic word and still end up with a B.
STA is not easy but it's objectively much easier than NCS. If you do the readings, write the papers and study you can do well. You might have to do a lot of work but if you do it, you'll do well.
NCS is next level. Girls can do everything right and still get a B+ because the teacher is only giving out two A minuses across 80 kids. It's just impossible at times.
You can do the work, stand on your head, count to 100, say the magic word and still end up with a B.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 16:41
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
Agreed. NCS is much harder than STA.
it's possible to get good grades at STA if you put in the time and do the readings and get things turned in on time. NCS is a different animal. a girl can do the readings, write the papers, etc and still end up with a B because it turns the teacher only gives 2 A minuses between all kids (total). I'm not saying that STA is easy (it's not) but it's doable NCS can be impossible. It's an entirely different league than STA.
I have kids in both high high schools
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
No one said STA wasn't hard, it definitely is. However, many parents who have kids at both schools will tell you that NCS is harder (not necessarily better!) than STA. Ask the STA boys who take an English class over at NCS during Junior or Senior year. They will tell you the same.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 16:28
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
Maybe he's just not the brightest
Anonymous
05/23/2022 16:26
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
Are you sure he is handling his time well? My son is at STA and sometimes works past 9:30 but rarely as late as 11pm -- maybe twice all year.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 16:22
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
No one said STA wasn't hard, it definitely is. However, many parents who have kids at both schools will tell you that NCS is harder (not necessarily better!) than STA. Ask the STA boys who take an English class over at NCS during Junior or Senior year. They will tell you the same.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 11:51
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
Needs to stay up to 2:00 am obvs
Anonymous
05/23/2022 11:50
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
Needs to stay up to 2:00 am obvs
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 11:03
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
He is going above and beyond working hard and still doesn’t get A’s on his history or English papers ever.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 11:02
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’ve been struck by the fact that of the several NCS grads I know, very few want to send their own daughter to NCS.
This is different from the St. Albans grads I know who by and large do want their boys to go to St. Albans. Why such a difference?
Because NCS is HARD!!!
It is not for everyone
STA is also hard. I believe the real answer is that the dynamics at an all girls’ school are just more difficult - not just at NCS, but many other girls’ schools. I have daughters who have attended various local girls’ schools, and they have tended to be be more “cliquey” with more conflict and competition. STA has built a culture where most of the boys are driven to do their best, but they support each other and don’t wish for their classmates to do poorly. There are different groups, of course, but they seem to get along with each other. I have always thought the rotating family lunch tables has a lot to do with this.
I have high schoolers at both schools. Both are challenging. NCS is unnecessarily more difficult.
NCS is much harder than STA. I have high schoolers at both.
At STA boys who work hard do well. There is a direct correlation between doing the work and doing well.
At NCS girls can do the work and study hard but then it's still a crapshoot whether or not she'll meet the standard because the standard is never given. Or teachers just don't give As (at all). It's just unnecessarily brutal.
Oh please my son is it STA and he’s working his butt off he’s up every night till 12 Working on papers and very rarely gets an A on them. You’re going to tell me he’s not working hard? Come on enough with this nonsense.
Anonymous
05/23/2022 11:01
Subject: Re:NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. I have not posted in this thread since 5/15. You are welcome to verify that with Jeff.
There are multiple people posting as me or assumed (by others) to be me. It's funny how people assume that a OP will post and then stick around and converse for days and days. I'd bet that many people post and then never return.
It's also striking how many different directions this post went since I posted. It hit most of the emotionally-charged college topics.
So you came, dropped a grenade, then disappeared? Cool. You are shallow, mean, and not very smart, OP. Your daughter must fit right in at NCS.
Whoa. As a new NCS parent this is pretty mean, right? And those saying that your daughter has PTSD etc. from
NCS - there’s no way to compare that though, right? My own senior year in public was super hard with all of the AP classes etc. I think high school is simply supposed to be challenging if you intend to compete for a top school. No matter where you are. We chose NCS because we want our daughter to be able to compete in sports, learn, have fun, and be in a supportive environment for women. We aren’t buying an outcome or college admission. And so many of these posts are delusional. We do interviews for our schools and the standards are simply through the roof. I am blown away by how incredibly impressive so many applicants are. The goal posts are simply moving. Kids that could have gone anywhere now have much more limited options. Bottom line. The women from NCS would not have vastly more opportunities if they had attended public if that’s the point of the post. Who knows how motivated they would’ve been, how many extras they would have done if not required, etc.?