Shrevewood's enrollment peaked in 2018-19, the year Frisch ran for the School Board. It was already coming down by the time he came up with his half-assed scheme at Dunn Loring two years later in order to make sure nothing got built at Blake Lane.

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Anonymous wrote:Support for school bonds has been declining in recent years (77% approval in 2019, vs. 70% in 2021 and now 67% in 2023).

That is still a healthy 2-to-1 margin, but when dopes like Frisch basically play fast-and-loose with what the voters originally were asked to approve - and then ignore the schools with the biggest capacity challenges - it starts to erode confidence in FCPS as a sound steward of capital resources.

Shrevewood was the school with the biggest capacity challenge in that part of the county at the time the decision was made. Fairfax/Oakton had been fixed. If you were to make the same decision right now, it might be a different one, which is why I would support a pause on Dunn Loring until we get a better read on future enrollment. But the initial decision to shift from Oakton/Fairfax to Dunn Loring was just fine.

Which decision are you referring to?

The initial decision to re-allocate the bond funds was pushed through by Frisch in January 2021. Shrevewood had 700 students then, in a building with a design capacity of 728 students. Then, as now, it was surrounded by schools that were under-enrolled and projected to remain under-enrolled.

Then the decision was made in March 2022 to extend a contract with the architects. Shrevewood had 704 students then and, as now, was surrounded by schools that were under-enrolled and projected to remain under-enrolled.

Now, it has 645 students and remains surrounded by schools that are under-enrolled and projected to remain under-enrolled.

By January 2021 it should have been clear that the construction of a new school in Dunn Loring was not justified by conditions at Shrevewood; any over-crowding or spike in enrollment easily could have been addressed through boundary changes with Stenwood and Freedom Hill. The decision to double-down on a bad plan in March 2022 was inexcusable and testimony to the School Board's stubbornness - 10 members defiantly ignored information in front of them because supporting Frisch, a member of the same political party, was more important than common sense.

Fortunately, there will be a new School Board soon, including 8 new members who aren't responsible for the mess and can insist on putting this fiasco in the making on pause. Unfortunately, they are all from the same political party, so the instinct to close ranks may yet again take precedence over common sense.

Anonymous wrote:Support for school bonds has been declining in recent years (77% approval in 2019, vs. 70% in 2021 and now 67% in 2023).

That is still a healthy 2-to-1 margin, but when dopes like Frisch basically play fast-and-loose with what the voters originally were asked to approve - and then ignore the schools with the biggest capacity challenges - it starts to erode confidence in FCPS as a sound steward of capital resources.

Shrevewood was the school with the biggest capacity challenge in that part of the county at the time the decision was made. Fairfax/Oakton had been fixed. If you were to make the same decision right now, it might be a different one, which is why I would support a pause on Dunn Loring until we get a better read on future enrollment. But the initial decision to shift from Oakton/Fairfax to Dunn Loring was just fine.

Support for school bonds has been declining in recent years (77% approval in 2019, vs. 70% in 2021 and now 67% in 2023).

That is still a healthy 2-to-1 margin, but when dopes like Frisch basically play fast-and-loose with what the voters originally were asked to approve - and then ignore the schools with the biggest capacity challenges - it starts to erode confidence in FCPS as a sound steward of capital resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl rode the wave of pro-choice voters who just went ahead and voted straight party-line for SB candidates, who they probably knew nothing about.

So if has no kids, not teacher or no college degree as someone posted above, why did they run for School board and still on it? I guess I would get if did one term to give resume builder if wants to do other politics, but why run for board multiple terms?

There was nothing else Karl could run for where he'd get elected. We know he doesn't really want to be on the School Board; it's why he tried to run for the open House of Delegates seat in a special election when Mark Keam stepped down. Another Democrat beat him.

And it's because he's trying to be a show-off that he pulled this stunt with Dunn Loring, where he took money that had been earmarked for a school in Fairfax/Oakton and got it reallocated for a different school - which isn't needed at that location - in another part of the county. He was trying to demonstrate that he knew how to "work the system" but instead just created a mess for others to clean up later. He's counting on being in the state legislature by the time the sh*t really hits the fan.

Anonymous wrote:Karl rode the wave of pro-choice voters who just went ahead and voted straight party-line for SB candidates, who they probably knew nothing about.

So if has no kids, not teacher or no college degree as someone posted above, why did they run for School board and still on it? I guess I would get if did one term to give resume builder if wants to do other politics, but why run for board multiple terms?

Anonymous wrote:Karl rode the wave of pro-choice voters who just went ahead and voted straight party-line for SB candidates, who they probably knew nothing about.

To be fair, being a R in 2023 does demonstrate poor judgment.

The fact remains that they need to put the Dunn Loring project on hold and reassess both the need and the location.

Karl rode the wave of pro-choice voters who just went ahead and voted straight party-line for SB candidates, who they probably knew nothing about.

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Anonymous wrote:Reopening Dunn Loring was just one of many potential future options identified in a prior CIP. And that option was described as reopening Dunn Loring - not tearing it down entirely.

By the time Frisch rammed through this ill-conceived proposal it was clear there were far more pressing needs elsewhere. And, that prior concerns about capacity issues at Shrevewood could have been addressed far more quickly by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to Freedom Hill - not by wasting tens of millions on Dunn Loring.

But, sure, call anyone who think Frisch is a total ignoramus “homophobic.” It’s always Karl’s fallback to try and portray himself as a victim when it’s actually his constituents who are getting ripped off and will be the victims of his incredibly poor decision-making.

The homophobic posters are the ones that say that Frisch favored a dog park over a school at Blake Lane. Other criticisms are fair. That one is just gross.

Why? Those who wanted no school built at Blake Lane Park emphasized that it has a dog park, and Frisch was their champion.

Others wanted a school built at Blake Lane or for FCPS to find an alternative site in the Fairfax/Oakton area. Frisch has left them high and dry. He paid s lot of attention to renaming Mosby Woods, but no attention to the fact that it’s had over 1000 kids - huge for an ES - at various times.

Now, with Dunn Loring on the horizon, some existing schools near that site will likely end up with 450 kids or less. The guy has no common sense.

So, just to be clear, you wanted Karl to override the wishes of everyone and that neighborhood and force an elementary school at Blake Lane?

Are you brain-damaged? Try reading what people have actually said.

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Anonymous wrote:Reopening Dunn Loring was just one of many potential future options identified in a prior CIP. And that option was described as reopening Dunn Loring - not tearing it down entirely.

By the time Frisch rammed through this ill-conceived proposal it was clear there were far more pressing needs elsewhere. And, that prior concerns about capacity issues at Shrevewood could have been addressed far more quickly by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to Freedom Hill - not by wasting tens of millions on Dunn Loring.

But, sure, call anyone who think Frisch is a total ignoramus “homophobic.” It’s always Karl’s fallback to try and portray himself as a victim when it’s actually his constituents who are getting ripped off and will be the victims of his incredibly poor decision-making.

The homophobic posters are the ones that say that Frisch favored a dog park over a school at Blake Lane. Other criticisms are fair. That one is just gross.

Why? Those who wanted no school built at Blake Lane Park emphasized that it has a dog park, and Frisch was their champion.

Others wanted a school built at Blake Lane or for FCPS to find an alternative site in the Fairfax/Oakton area. Frisch has left them high and dry. He paid s lot of attention to renaming Mosby Woods, but no attention to the fact that it’s had over 1000 kids - huge for an ES - at various times.

Now, with Dunn Loring on the horizon, some existing schools near that site will likely end up with 450 kids or less. The guy has no common sense.

So, just to be clear, you wanted Karl to override the wishes of everyone and that neighborhood and force an elementary school at Blake Lane?

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Anonymous wrote:Reopening Dunn Loring was just one of many potential future options identified in a prior CIP. And that option was described as reopening Dunn Loring - not tearing it down entirely.

By the time Frisch rammed through this ill-conceived proposal it was clear there were far more pressing needs elsewhere. And, that prior concerns about capacity issues at Shrevewood could have been addressed far more quickly by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to Freedom Hill - not by wasting tens of millions on Dunn Loring.

But, sure, call anyone who think Frisch is a total ignoramus “homophobic.” It’s always Karl’s fallback to try and portray himself as a victim when it’s actually his constituents who are getting ripped off and will be the victims of his incredibly poor decision-making.

The homophobic posters are the ones that say that Frisch favored a dog park over a school at Blake Lane. Other criticisms are fair. That one is just gross.

Why? Those who wanted no school built at Blake Lane Park emphasized that it has a dog park, and Frisch was their champion.

Others wanted a school built at Blake Lane or for FCPS to find an alternative site in the Fairfax/Oakton area. Frisch has left them high and dry. He paid s lot of attention to renaming Mosby Woods, but no attention to the fact that it’s had over 1000 kids - huge for an ES - at various times.

Now, with Dunn Loring on the horizon, some existing schools near that site will likely end up with 450 kids or less. The guy has no common sense.

Mosaic (Mosby) is projected to be at 69% per the latest CIP. There was no reason for another school there post-renovation. Thankfully, Karl saved us from that boondoggle.

What are you smoking? WTF do you the projections will be for new Dunn Loring, or gutted Stenwood and Freedom Hill, if Dunn Loring is built? They will be even lower.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time you post in this and the other threads designed to bash all Dem SB members before the election, you just remind me to go vote (for them). So thanks! Clearly you haven't studied marketing tactics.

People have posted some compelling reasons why Dunn Loring ES is a big waste of money, to which Karl and his friends invariably respond with half-truths at best. If that's what you value in your candidates, go for it.

I value his focus on school security and protection if students and families rights to information, choice of free reading materials, etc. It's not all about Dunn Lorng - every SB member has a facilities issue people harp on, but Frisch has been a solid advocate for student safety and achievement, and responsive to community (at least the times my family has contacted him).

BS. No other School Board member, much less one running for re-election, has wasted over $60M in taxpayer money on a completely unnecessary facility. And he has a terrible reputation when it comes to constituent service - routinely ignoring people in the district.

Looks necessary to me given the huge number of residential buildings under development...


And bonus, he found a way to do it cheaper.

You should zoom out some more and then this folly might appear more defensible.

However, anyone who looks at the CIP will see Dunn Loring is surrounded by multiple existing schools projected to be under-enrolled for years to come.

The growth is further north and east, and that’s where any new school should be built. Otherwise, any short-term savings by building at Dunn Loring will be outweighed by higher transportation costs over the long run.

Also, let the Board of Supervisors know that all their talk about making Tysons a livable community has been thrown out the window because you’ve effectively decided kids should get bussed to some random elementary school in Vienna instead.

People wrote the School Board to point out this school should not be built in Dunn Loring. You and your incompetent colleagues ignored them. You’re a dope and, even if you beat Sabio, we won’t stop pointing out that you’re created a mess, all because you wanted to save a dog park. And by the time the shit really hits the fan, you will have bailed for some other position and left others to clean up the mess.

Page 40, CIP from 2016 transmitted to the Superintendent from the School Board on December 5th, 2014. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/cipbookfy2016-20_0.pdf

Reopen the Dunn Loring Administrative Center as an elementary school to accommodate projected growth in the surrounding schools (Freedom
Hill ES, Shrevewood ES, Stenwood ES in the Marshall HS Pyramid).

You know who wasn't on the School Board in 2014? Karl Frisch.

2019 CIP - Shrevewood 127%, Stenwood 101%, Freedom Hill 94% for 22-23 (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted%20FY%202019-23%20CIP_0.pdf)
2020 CIP - 125%, 95%, 75% for 2023-24 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/amended-FY2020-24-CIP.pdf
2021 CIP - 120%, 97%, 77% for 2024-25 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-FY2021-25.pdf (this is the latest projected data that the School Board had when making the decision to repurpose the funds for Dunn Loring Elementary in January 2021)
2022 CIP - no estimates due to COVID
2023 CIP - 92%, 92%, 64% for 2026-27 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-FY2023-27-CIP.pdf

The CIP is a massive moving target. The estimates have not stabilized since COVID and I do not trust the numbers being as low as they are now. Would I delay Dunn Loring? Maybe. Was Dunn Loring a bad idea? Not even a little bit.

If you don’t trust the enrollment numbers as having stabilized post-Covid, you certainly don’t allocate money to build a new school surrounded by under-enrolled schools or change school boundaries until you’re satisfied you can project enrollments comfortably again. Frisch did both, which indicates he’s once again talking out of both sides of his mouth. The guy is such a fraud.

Actually, he didn't do that at all. The School Board voted on that allocation before any post-COVID enrollment numbers were available. He and the Board absolutely did the right thing. Now the question is whether they should delay the project. That is a different issue.

No, accelerating the Dunn Loring project was a terrible idea from the first day Frisch began to promote it. And he would have known that but he was eager to show how creative he could be, and to curry favor with the rabid anti-BLP activists, regardless of whether it made any sense or would make it more difficult to build a school elsewhere where it would make far more sense.

Maybe he’ll find a way to wiggle out of it by agreeing the project should be delayed based on “new information.” The reality is that the project should never have been approved (and would not have been had the Board not been composed entirely of Ds eager to do each other favors) and should be canceled.

He’s the biggest idiot in local politics, and the competition for that honor is fierce.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time you post in this and the other threads designed to bash all Dem SB members before the election, you just remind me to go vote (for them). So thanks! Clearly you haven't studied marketing tactics.

People have posted some compelling reasons why Dunn Loring ES is a big waste of money, to which Karl and his friends invariably respond with half-truths at best. If that's what you value in your candidates, go for it.

I value his focus on school security and protection if students and families rights to information, choice of free reading materials, etc. It's not all about Dunn Lorng - every SB member has a facilities issue people harp on, but Frisch has been a solid advocate for student safety and achievement, and responsive to community (at least the times my family has contacted him).

BS. No other School Board member, much less one running for re-election, has wasted over $60M in taxpayer money on a completely unnecessary facility. And he has a terrible reputation when it comes to constituent service - routinely ignoring people in the district.

Looks necessary to me given the huge number of residential buildings under development...


And bonus, he found a way to do it cheaper.

You should zoom out some more and then this folly might appear more defensible.

However, anyone who looks at the CIP will see Dunn Loring is surrounded by multiple existing schools projected to be under-enrolled for years to come.

The growth is further north and east, and that’s where any new school should be built. Otherwise, any short-term savings by building at Dunn Loring will be outweighed by higher transportation costs over the long run.

Also, let the Board of Supervisors know that all their talk about making Tysons a livable community has been thrown out the window because you’ve effectively decided kids should get bussed to some random elementary school in Vienna instead.

People wrote the School Board to point out this school should not be built in Dunn Loring. You and your incompetent colleagues ignored them. You’re a dope and, even if you beat Sabio, we won’t stop pointing out that you’re created a mess, all because you wanted to save a dog park. And by the time the shit really hits the fan, you will have bailed for some other position and left others to clean up the mess.

Page 40, CIP from 2016 transmitted to the Superintendent from the School Board on December 5th, 2014. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/cipbookfy2016-20_0.pdf

Reopen the Dunn Loring Administrative Center as an elementary school to accommodate projected growth in the surrounding schools (Freedom
Hill ES, Shrevewood ES, Stenwood ES in the Marshall HS Pyramid).

You know who wasn't on the School Board in 2014? Karl Frisch.

2019 CIP - Shrevewood 127%, Stenwood 101%, Freedom Hill 94% for 22-23 (https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted%20FY%202019-23%20CIP_0.pdf)
2020 CIP - 125%, 95%, 75% for 2023-24 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/amended-FY2020-24-CIP.pdf
2021 CIP - 120%, 97%, 77% for 2024-25 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-CIP-FY2021-25.pdf (this is the latest projected data that the School Board had when making the decision to repurpose the funds for Dunn Loring Elementary in January 2021)
2022 CIP - no estimates due to COVID
2023 CIP - 92%, 92%, 64% for 2026-27 https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Adopted-FY2023-27-CIP.pdf

The CIP is a massive moving target. The estimates have not stabilized since COVID and I do not trust the numbers being as low as they are now. Would I delay Dunn Loring? Maybe. Was Dunn Loring a bad idea? Not even a little bit.

If you don’t trust the enrollment numbers as having stabilized post-Covid, you certainly don’t allocate money to build a new school surrounded by under-enrolled schools or change school boundaries until you’re satisfied you can project enrollments comfortably again. Frisch did both, which indicates he’s once again talking out of both sides of his mouth. The guy is such a fraud.

Actually, he didn't do that at all. The School Board voted on that allocation before any post-COVID enrollment numbers were available. He and the Board absolutely did the right thing. Now the question is whether they should delay the project. That is a different issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reopening Dunn Loring was just one of many potential future options identified in a prior CIP. And that option was described as reopening Dunn Loring - not tearing it down entirely.

By the time Frisch rammed through this ill-conceived proposal it was clear there were far more pressing needs elsewhere. And, that prior concerns about capacity issues at Shrevewood could have been addressed far more quickly by moving part of Shrevewood to Stenwood and part of Stenwood to Freedom Hill - not by wasting tens of millions on Dunn Loring.

But, sure, call anyone who think Frisch is a total ignoramus “homophobic.” It’s always Karl’s fallback to try and portray himself as a victim when it’s actually his constituents who are getting ripped off and will be the victims of his incredibly poor decision-making.

The homophobic posters are the ones that say that Frisch favored a dog park over a school at Blake Lane. Other criticisms are fair. That one is just gross.

Why? Those who wanted no school built at Blake Lane Park emphasized that it has a dog park, and Frisch was their champion.

Others wanted a school built at Blake Lane or for FCPS to find an alternative site in the Fairfax/Oakton area. Frisch has left them high and dry. He paid s lot of attention to renaming Mosby Woods, but no attention to the fact that it’s had over 1000 kids - huge for an ES - at various times.

Now, with Dunn Loring on the horizon, some existing schools near that site will likely end up with 450 kids or less. The guy has no common sense.

Mosaic (Mosby) is projected to be at 69% per the latest CIP. There was no reason for another school there post-renovation. Thankfully, Karl saved us from that boondoggle.