Anonymous wrote:Another American brutally murdered by Hamas… And yet we still don’t have American boots on the ground assisting the IDF in their vital mission.

A change in administration cannot come quick enough for our Israeli American population.

Wow. Is that what you really think? According to news reports the hostages killed all would have been released if Israel had signed the ceasefire deal negotiated by the US and agreed to by Hamas. How does their death then not rest squarely on Osraeli government shoulders?

Anonymous wrote:Does this link to the Lancet article work?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Highlight the full link above, including the fulltext at the end. Right click and select "copy" (do NOT select "copy link"), then paste into your browser. Should take you to the article.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

Source?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/close-connection-between-hamas-and-al-jazeera-tel-aviv-district-court-finds/amp/

https://apnews.com/article/israel-aljazeera-hamas-gaza-war-eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/sep/27/al-jazeera-journalist-hamas-israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/wounded-al-jazeera-reporter-in-gaza-an-alleged-hamas-operative-flown-to-qatar/amp/

https://www.commentary.org/jonathan-schanzer/the-growing-list-of-al-jazeera-terrorists/

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-accuses-al-jazeera-journalist-of-moonlighting-as-hamas-commander-5041680/amp/1

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/25/tony-blinken-qatar-israel-hamas

I’m sorry, I didn’t think I had to provide sources for what are unarguable, agreed upon facts.

None of these articles support that this is an ‘agreed upon fact’. In fact, they just repeat Israel’s allegations. Is your reading comprehension really so weak?

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

The Lancet is an incredibly well-respected publication. It is hard to believe these ugly truths, but whatever you may feel for Israel, you cannot ignore the growing death toll in Gaza and the fact that Israel is murdering innocent Gazand regularly.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Well, there it goes. Link is broken. Seems pretty obvious that the Lancet, being such a “well-respected” news outlet realized that they were posting straight up Iranian propaganda and pulled it before being called out.

This is nuts. Why do people close their eyes and their hearts like this?

So sad. How many living hostages are believed to be remaining? Not bodies to be recovered, but living? I grieve for the families of anyone innocent whose life has been lost or injured on either side. May this end with the return of the remaining hostages, the decimation of Hamas, and a path forward for the innocent on both sides who genuinely wish to rebuild. How did they reconcile from the hatred and bloodshed in Rwanda? Whatever organizations did that will need to pour into this region tenfold.

Here's the title of the Lancet article. It's still online; you can search for it.

Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential

Does this link to the Lancet article work?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

You all realize there is no end game. They will continue to fight each other forever as they always have. Neither side wants peace. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

The Lancet is an incredibly well-respected publication. It is hard to believe these ugly truths, but whatever you may feel for Israel, you cannot ignore the growing death toll in Gaza and the fact that Israel is murdering innocent Gazand regularly.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Well, there it goes. Link is broken. Seems pretty obvious that the Lancet, being such a “well-respected” news outlet realized that they were posting straight up Iranian propaganda and pulled it before being called out.

It's just a long link that didn't post correctly. You're in denial. I don't blame you. But at least use some common sense. I'll try again.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

acknowledging the full cost of the war. It is also a legal requirement. The interim measures set out by the International Court of Justice in January, 2024, require Israel to “take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of … the Genocide Convention”.11 The Gaza Health Ministry is the only organisation counting the dead. Furthermore, these data will be crucial for post-war recovery, restoring infrastructure, and planning humanitarian aid.
MM is a member of the editorial board of the Israel Journal of Health Policy Research and of the International Advisory Committee of the Israel National Institute for Health Policy Research. MM was co-chair of the Institute's 2016 6th International Jerusalem Conference on Health Policy, but writes in a personal capacity. He also collaborates with researchers in Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon. RK and SY declare no competing interests. The authors would like to acknowledge study team members Shofiqul Islam and Safa Noreen for their contribution to collecting and managing the data for this Correspondence.
Editorial note: The Lancet Group takes a neutral position with respect to territorial claims in published text and institutional affiliations.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

The Lancet is an incredibly well-respected publication. It is hard to believe these ugly truths, but whatever you may feel for Israel, you cannot ignore the growing death toll in Gaza and the fact that Israel is murdering innocent Gazand regularly.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Well, there it goes. Link is broken. Seems pretty obvious that the Lancet, being such a “well-respected” news outlet realized that they were posting straight up Iranian propaganda and pulled it before being called out.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

The Lancet is an incredibly well-respected publication. It is hard to believe these ugly truths, but whatever you may feel for Israel, you cannot ignore the growing death toll in Gaza and the fact that Israel is murdering innocent Gazand regularly.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Unfortunately, killing hostages is only going to make things worse for Palestinians. But Hamas seems to welcome that. That is why they did what they did on 10/7. It is baffling.

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

The Lancet is an incredibly well-respected publication. It is hard to believe these ugly truths, but whatever you may feel for Israel, you cannot ignore the growing death toll in Gaza and the fact that Israel is murdering innocent Gazand regularly.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

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Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

These numbers have been verified and documented by legitimate sources multiple times. And these are underestimates.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Imagine the unspeakable loss. And then on top of it the horrible and unfair accusations.

There have been innumerable press reports of the deaths of innocent men, women, children and even newborn infants, despite Israel’s transparent campaign to either censor or kill any journalist seeking to accurately report on the conflict.

And yet this individual comes in and thinks it’s funny to make light of atrocities. They argue that the deaths were wholly justified because even though the death toll data has been validated as “not less than, and likely much higher” by peer-reviewed journals, he thinks otherwise.

You mean the journalists who have been proven time and time again to work for Hamas or Hamas-Allied publications like Al Jazera?

Is this why Israel kills journalists? If Al Jazeera is such a problem go blow up Doha but we know Bibi took Qatari cash too. He sold his own people out for money

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.

Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn

I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu

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I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.

Because Palestinians were murdered, raped, and kidnapped from their homes and taken into jail for no reason for years before 10/7.

The world didn’t care and was asleep to Palestinian injustices until 10/7 when the same thing happened to Israel

Palestinians were killed and raped by leftists? Or young peaceful music festival attendees? Confused. These innocent people were targeted by Hamas on 10/7. Stop with the lies and excuses. Admit that many Palestinians support Hamas, a murderous death cult, and care nothing for innocent civilians.

And Hamas is still holding 8 American hostages. After yesterday's mass murder of 6 young people, including an American who had already lost an arm, it's clear Hamas does not intend to release any hostages - American or otherwise. We are very good at special night raid missions. I think we have a duty to these innocent people to send in the Seals and Delta and our other Special Forces. Enough with the delicacy. Hamas is out there murdering Americans in cold blood and that cannot be allowed to stand. American forces need to go in to Gaza, kill Hamas, and get our people.

lol honey if they could, they would. I mean, if you have some sons to sacrifice to maybe collect some hostage bodies, go ahead. Otherwise, pass.

A Palestinian American boy was murdered earlier this year. Have you called for the Seals and Delta to parachute into the West Bank and kick some settler ass?

Be as dismissive as you want. But what is the Palestinian end game here? Hamas has managed to keep at least some of the hostages alive for all this time. These hostages represent roughly a dozen countries - from the US to Thailand. Why kidnap them only to shoot them all in the head nine months later.

For what?

What do Palestinians in Gaza expect to gain from terror like this? Both the US and the Israelis have proven time and again that they will hunt terrorists like Hamas down everywhere even if takes years. No one in Hamas is going to see old age.

And still no one has explained what Palestinians hope to gain from this. It's certainly not independence. That dream is dead for generations after all this. Gaza lies in ruins. Palestinians have nowhere to flee to. Their future is bleak for decades.

And for what? What has all this terror gotten them?

Their leader currently dresses like a woman and spends his days in a hole. And this is who Palestinians have chosen to lead them? And meanwhile they continue to execute innocent hostages.

For what?

Palestinians are beyond pathetic.

You conveniently ignore that most Palestinians live in the West Bank and Israel not Hamas led Gaza. The ones that do live in Gaza lived there for generations since 1948 long before Hamas became a thing as their families were sent from Southern Israel to Gaza Strip in 1948. Very few Palestinians from The west bank moved to Gaza and almost none from
Israel, the ones that have are either Hamas members or Israeli spies or both

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.

Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn

I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu

+1

I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.

Because Palestinians were murdered, raped, and kidnapped from their homes and taken into jail for no reason for years before 10/7.

The world didn’t care and was asleep to Palestinian injustices until 10/7 when the same thing happened to Israel

Palestinians were killed and raped by leftists? Or young peaceful music festival attendees? Confused. These innocent people were targeted by Hamas on 10/7. Stop with the lies and excuses. Admit that many Palestinians support Hamas, a murderous death cult, and care nothing for innocent civilians.

And Hamas is still holding 8 American hostages. After yesterday's mass murder of 6 young people, including an American who had already lost an arm, it's clear Hamas does not intend to release any hostages - American or otherwise. We are very good at special night raid missions. I think we have a duty to these innocent people to send in the Seals and Delta and our other Special Forces. Enough with the delicacy. Hamas is out there murdering Americans in cold blood and that cannot be allowed to stand. American forces need to go in to Gaza, kill Hamas, and get our people.

lol honey if they could, they would. I mean, if you have some sons to sacrifice to maybe collect some hostage bodies, go ahead. Otherwise, pass.

A Palestinian American boy was murdered earlier this year. Have you called for the Seals and Delta to parachute into the West Bank and kick some settler ass?

Be as dismissive as you want. But what is the Palestinian end game here? Hamas has managed to keep at least some of the hostages alive for all this time. These hostages represent roughly a dozen countries - from the US to Thailand. Why kidnap them only to shoot them all in the head nine months later.

For what?

What do Palestinians in Gaza expect to gain from terror like this? Both the US and the Israelis have proven time and again that they will hunt terrorists like Hamas down everywhere even if takes years. No one in Hamas is going to see old age.

And still no one has explained what Palestinians hope to gain from this. It's certainly not independence. That dream is dead for generations after all this. Gaza lies in ruins. Palestinians have nowhere to flee to. Their future is bleak for decades.

And for what? What has all this terror gotten them?

Their leader currently dresses like a woman and spends his days in a hole. And this is who Palestinians have chosen to lead them? And meanwhile they continue to execute innocent hostages.

For what?

Palestinians are beyond pathetic.

Hamas claims Israel shot the hostages in the head.

The problem is neither source are trustworthy at all. Israel has consistently shot Palestinians in Gaza at point blank in the head and doctors have reported those injuries. It makes no sense for Hamas to keep them alive for this long inside a tunnel and then shoot them esp an American hostage, but this is what Israel says happened so maybe they are telling the truth. I don’t believe they would enter any Hamas tunnel without shooting every one and thing in it though so it’s possible they shot the hostages and that’s why Israelis are protesting right now