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Anonymous wrote:Doesnt SJC float players down from varsisty who don’t see varsity minutes down for jv games?

They all do except for a few. Schools could barely get 10-15 out there if they didn’t. Schools want rec and club to grow the sport but are unwilling to provide fields and resources.

Sorry but most of the good privates do not do this.

Anonymous wrote:Doesnt SJC float players down from varsisty who don’t see varsity minutes down for jv games?

They all do except for a few. Schools could barely get 10-15 out there if they didn’t. Schools want rec and club to grow the sport but are unwilling to provide fields and resources.

Everyone saying the same thing about pvi. And 2 years? Without a Jv coming off a 5th place finish this is 5 years plus and looking more like BOC.

There is enough individual talent in Loudoun county alone for PVI to field a very strong lacrosse team - PVI doesn't need families from Fairfax Count or Arlington County to drive West. Not to mention, if they can attract families from Northern / Easter Fauquier county, there is a ton of potential.

Historically the best public in Loudoun has been Riverside and they lost to STA this Spring which tells you everything you need to know.

I think everyone needs to pump the breaks a bit on PVI. The current head coach was hired extremely late in the process and fielded a very young team this Spring and PVI did alright.

Based on what PVI has returning next Spring, they should be better.

Give the coach at least another two years. Hopefully the AD will show some support.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

Aside from SJC, over the last 20 yrs has any DMV school gone from also ran to top program? And as good a coach as Speaks is, SJC would still be an also ran if it didn’t get the massive inject of Under Armour $$. Bottom line, if your school doesn’t already have a top lax tradition and culture it’s really hard to build one

I am not sure why people compare PVI with the other schools. PVI is definitely a different market. Aside from a few PW and FFX county kids the teams have been almost all Loudoun players. The school was moved there as the only Catholic private in the county. In the past I know of really good lacrosse players who chose the school first and the sport second. These parents never once considered going to SJC or GZ or Landon. Last season the team was VISSAA champ and played a competitive WCAC final. The year prior was VISAA runner up and probably second to the best SJC team ever. That is most likely the high bar for PVI. It is realistic they will get there again in a season or two.

This. PVI is really in a different market than the others way out in Loudoun. If they can have some coaching stability, they need to poach good public school players out there and make PVI an appealing lacrosse destination.

Given it's location, if they committed to it and really offered a year round lacrosse experience for kids who want that and balance with two sport athletes, it seems like they'd have a huge leg up on talent that is not gonna drive from Loudoun to DC or Maryland.

But they don't seem interested in making that kind of commitment.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

Aside from SJC, over the last 20 yrs has any DMV school gone from also ran to top program? And as good a coach as Speaks is, SJC would still be an also ran if it didn’t get the massive inject of Under Armour $$. Bottom line, if your school doesn’t already have a top lax tradition and culture it’s really hard to build one

What about Bullis? Was it a top program 15-20 yrs ago?

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

PVI's previous coach refused to recruit a 2027 class as a whole which is crazy and what has caused such low numbers this year.

The previous coach's departure early last summer and the resulting lack of a head coach through the entire fall also destroyed significant recruiting opportunities for a rather talented group of players in their 2025 class. Namely, the MadLax goalie, MadLax pole and MadLax LSM.

Their 2026 class is very talented and very deep and should do well in WCAC and VISSA over the next 2 years.

After that who knows what will happen at PVI.

MADLAX dad has entered the chat.

But I thought HS didn't matter for recruiting, only club. At least that's the story MadLax likes to sell

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

What trend are you referring to?

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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11-6
Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

Aside from SJC, over the last 20 yrs has any DMV school gone from also ran to top program? And as good a coach as Speaks is, SJC would still be an also ran if it didn’t get the massive inject of Under Armour $$. Bottom line, if your school doesn’t already have a top lax tradition and culture it’s really hard to build one

I am not sure why people compare PVI with the other schools. PVI is definitely a different market. Aside from a few PW and FFX county kids the teams have been almost all Loudoun players. The school was moved there as the only Catholic private in the county. In the past I know of really good lacrosse players who chose the school first and the sport second. These parents never once considered going to SJC or GZ or Landon. Last season the team was VISSAA champ and played a competitive WCAC final. The year prior was VISAA runner up and probably second to the best SJC team ever. That is most likely the high bar for PVI. It is realistic they will get there again in a season or two.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

18-6
18-5
11-6
Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

Aside from SJC, over the last 20 yrs has any DMV school gone from also ran to top program? And as good a coach as Speaks is, SJC would still be an also ran if it didn’t get the massive inject of Under Armour $$. Bottom line, if your school doesn’t already have a top lax tradition and culture it’s really hard to build one

Doesnt SJC float players down from varsisty who don’t see varsity minutes down for jv games?

"2. Landon - despite the graduation of a strong 2024 class, the Bears have plenty of players returning in their 2025 class to defend their title. Landon had the best JV in the DMV, expect to see some 2027's emerge. As always, the Bears are extremely well-coached and it showed this Spring."

"Best in the DMV" - debatable. SJC's JV went undefeated and had wins over Boy's Latin, Calvert Hall, St. Mary's and Severn.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe people realize that high level boys lacrosse is a fun but challenging road and when you add post covid lifestyles, participation really falls off.

participation fell off a cliff in the mid-late teens pre-covid in the dmv. it'll be catching up to the privates, or now has been already. probably going to lead to greater bi-furcation at the top, as there will be fewer to go around, and those few will chase the ring.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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11-6
Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

PVI's previous coach refused to recruit a 2027 class as a whole which is crazy and what has caused such low numbers this year.

The previous coach's departure early last summer and the resulting lack of a head coach through the entire fall also destroyed significant recruiting opportunities for a rather talented group of players in their 2025 class. Namely, the MadLax goalie, MadLax pole and MadLax LSM.

Their 2026 class is very talented and very deep and should do well in WCAC and VISSA over the next 2 years.

After that who knows what will happen at PVI.

MADLAX dad has entered the chat.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopal 9 - PVI 8 - OT

Maroon win!

Has the sun set on PVI? Very weak finish to end the year. And no JV team. What’s going on out there?

That's precisely the problem. The new campus is so far away it will limit the depth. Good school but will have a real challenge attracting families to head that way when there are so many more choices closer to the beltway.

PVI was 98% Loudoun players the last two seasons and did fine. New coach and recruiting will help build the team.

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18-5
11-6
Look at where the players are headed to college from each of those rosters and there's a trend. What about JV? I'd also question why they will end up playing 6-7 fewer games. 1-2 came from advancing in WCAC. Another 1-2 will come from not advancing in VA this year. The school will have to be really creative to keep up. Like most schools, the administration and athletic diretcor and coach won't have the skills to come up with solutions other than to give scholarships. It won't work. You need a much larger mass than the 2 basketball players per year.

The problem facing PVI is the same problem impacting DMV lacrosse overall. The number of kids who play rec lacrosse is plummeting and there aren’t enough club players to fill Varsity and JV rosters. The best club kids want to go to a very small # of top private school programs. Those schools have huge JV and Varsity rosters. The rest have no JV, little depth on Varsity and can’t compete with top programs. It’s not just PVI. SSSA, Epsicopal, Heights, and STA won’t break thru to top echelon without a dynamic coach that can recruit the small pool of top players

PVI performed better with old Coach and with Waters before that. The current coach needs a bit more time but lets be honest. He has been coaching the same kids for a few years in club and performed the same. They are just not that good and he hasn't been able to get more out of them at the school. He had to step away from club (VLC) so will the new coach be able to get more out of these boys. The me ball style of play for the cameras is all they are good at doing at this point. If they would focus on team ball maybe they could get get some wins but depth and style of play will not get it down against the likes of GZ, SJC, DM or any of the IAC schools. Under the old coaches they had some success vs Landon and Prep. But No JV team is really not uncommon these days. Not everyone plays lax like we think.