Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

And what do you say to the mother who finds out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a catastrophic abnormally incompatible with life and does not wish to carry it to term?

What do you say to the 13 year old child whose pregnancy is first discovered at 16 weeks? You going to force her to do l&d at 9 months?

And who gets to decide when the health of the mother allows an abortion after 15 weeks? You are going to make a woman wait in agony while lawyers and judges decide her fate, rather than her doctor?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

Why would anyone be OK with a 15 week ban? What does that accomplish? Right wing loses it's biggest vote generator, it's still "killing babies". If you think an embryo is a person how is reducing a few weeks from Roe make a difference. This is typical "moderate" view of policy. Hey, lets' make Right wing policy seem less likely and maybe we can get more votes. Sorry. A ban is a ban is a ban.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

Again, absent protections for abortion, the forced birthers would immediately begin chipping away at abortion access as they did for fifty years. 15 weeks is as bad a “compromise” as anything. It’s ceding ground to forced birthers, chips away women’s rights and your hypothetical completely ignores termination for fetal reasons.

The government as an instrument of religious extremists needs to stay out of women’s bodies. Abortion should be regulated by doctors like every other procedure in the country is.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

And, to clarify, I think the GOP would get more support with a 15 week ban for health (not life). I think Roe v Wade was the "ok" standard.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

Dp- not if the language for exceptions is as we’ve seen across red states. There are functionally no exceptions.
This rant is just RWNJ cope.
The reality is that no one “likes” abortion.
And that a surprising majority of Americans woefully ignorant about
1) reproduction
2) science
3) the inherent danger of pregnancy
But as Americans have become educated, they have moved further left on the issue.
Americans were never going to be ok with 15 weeks, once they learned what that actually meant.

+1

Anatomy scan isn't until 20w.

15w would never be OK.

+1

Especially given the fact that when abortion was broadly legal across the country, most early second trimester abortions were women who were unable to access abortion in a more timely manner, and the delays were entirely artificial and caused by forced birther laws intended to delay some abortions past the point where a woman could get one.

15 weeks is dopey. “But Europe!” they retort. Yeah, “but Europe” actually allows women to get abortions comparatively easily and at no time in a pregnancy is a legitimate need for an abortion denied. Oh, and abortions are fully subsidized, just like the rest of their healthcare, so instead of having to come up with the scratch for the procedure itself (and childcare and a hotel room for the mandatory waiting period - because a woman is evidently too ducking stupid to know what “abortion” means - plus travel costs) it’s just a procedure.

I hope November finds the GOP with a massive mouthful of old fashioned, big old boat of a car, chrome bumper. They chased it for decades as part of their war on women’s lives and liberty. Let them deal with the consequences.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

Dp- not if the language for exceptions is as we’ve seen across red states. There are functionally no exceptions.
This rant is just RWNJ cope.
The reality is that no one “likes” abortion.
And that a surprising majority of Americans woefully ignorant about
1) reproduction
2) science
3) the inherent danger of pregnancy
But as Americans have become educated, they have moved further left on the issue.
Americans were never going to be ok with 15 weeks, once they learned what that actually meant.

+1

Anatomy scan isn't until 20w.

15w would never be OK.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

Dp- not if the language for exceptions is as we’ve seen across red states. There are functionally no exceptions.
This rant is just RWNJ cope.
The reality is that no one “likes” abortion.
And that a surprising majority of Americans woefully ignorant about
1) reproduction
2) science
3) the inherent danger of pregnancy
But as Americans have become educated, they have moved further left on the issue.
Americans were never going to be ok with 15 weeks, once they learned what that actually meant.

I think they probably would have been ok with it overall. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think 15 weeks would have made people furious - then largely died down as an issue by now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

I am PP - and for sure, that is just one of the serious problems with what they did. I think what Hannity means - and I, gd help me, largely agree with - is that if they'd taken a more normal path with this, and not made clear that they not only don't care about women's health and rights but actively wish women to suffer, they'd be in a better position right now electorally.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

Dp- not if the language for exceptions is as we’ve seen across red states. There are functionally no exceptions.
This rant is just RWNJ cope.
The reality is that no one “likes” abortion.
And that a surprising majority of Americans woefully ignorant about
1) reproduction
2) science
3) the inherent danger of pregnancy
But as Americans have become educated, they have moved further left on the issue.
Americans were never going to be ok with 15 weeks, once they learned what that actually meant.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

This was always an "Obamacare projection"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

Republican thought leaders like Hannity smell blood in the water, a lot of it, and they realize it’s their blood. They’re freaking out.

As well they should. A bunch of parochial schools and colleges bussing their students to DC for the March of Something (and getting tanked at the Dubliner) is not the equivalent of a broad consensus for precedent.

Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

Republican thought leaders like Hannity smell blood in the water, a lot of it, and they realize it’s their blood. They’re freaking out.