And that’s also an arm of Israel where apparently Hamas gets more money than lDF soldiers themselves

It wasn’t a war. Palestinians were expelled from their villages and homes unarmed.

They didn’t have An army for 80 years. Hamas is the closest thing they have an army

Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

A genocide means targeted racial/ ethnic cleansing like what Hitler did. It doesn’t mean killing every single person. Jews still existed and created Israel after their genocide

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around.

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What TF is going on? Why do people like you continue to respond to posts where someone completely disavows any support for Hamas, and actually condemns Hamas, with “Well, you have another thing coming if you think Hamas is blameless and will remain the governing authority in Gaza”.

What occurs in your brain that when someone curses Hamas to the depths of hell, you continue to count them as a supporter of Hamas? Is it because you know that your talk of “not supporting” the right wing in Israel is just empty talk that belies your words and actions?

That’s it, huh? Ugh …

The post you are quoting does not say anything about Hamas supporters. But polls do say the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. I know that is not what anyone wants to hear but it is a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

What a joke. Hamas ceding power is laughable. They would be out launching rockets the day after any deal. That is all they know how to do, unfortunately. Murder, rape, torture and kidnap Jews. Not improve Palestinian lives.

I guess that’s your way of conceding that your welcome mat for a Hamas surrender to commit to a ceasefire is just empty talk and - how terribly unsurprising - perfectly on brand with your irrepressible dishonesty.

Huh? Oh I see...you are assuming I am Israeli and/or Jewish. That way, you can lean on tropes rather than face the reality of a hopeless future for Palestinians because of Hamas' psychopathic decisions.

I reject Hamas, have rejected the policies and actions of Hamas since Day 1, and am neither Palestinian nor Muslim, so swing-and-a-miss.

But curious that you have such vibrant views of conflict in a region that you purport to have no connection to. How did that come about?

I am sick and tired of people like you pepetuating tropes (i.e. your dishonesty comment) and equating Israeli civilians and American Jews with the Israeli government. We don't do the same for civilians in Gaza, American Muslims and Hamas. Its a double standard. If calling out such comments makes my views "vibrant", so be it.

[quote=Anonymous]You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

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Lol, you all use the same debunkable talking points. Yay Hasbara. These numbers are relied upon by Israel, and have always matched actual numbers in the past. But question for you, would 4 thousand be an acceptable number? How are you different than those who claim the Holocaust numbers are inflated?

You all can listen to this guy/gal or watch Tantoura, a documentary by Israelis, about Israelis and how they kicked out the Palestinians from the Tantoura village; threw a kid in the oven (every accusation…); raped a girl, while the Israeli soldier who did laughs as he recalls it. It’s on Youtube too.

1948, documentary on the creation, please watch

5 Broken Cameras, on the history of non violent resistance by Palestinians

2009 Episode of 60 Minutes on Israel and Palestine and tell me how there’s no apartheid. Did you know there are Jews-only roads in this non-apartheid state?

Look up Sheikh Jarrah, Msaffer Yatta, Alice Kaseya. Google the settlers who killed a Palestinian in his olive groves by dragging his body chained to their trunk. The settlers who celebrated burning a child in his home. That toddler’s name was Ali Dawabsheh. Look up Rachel Corrie. Tom Hurndall. How a soldier who emptied his gun in a 13 year old girl was found not guilty; Guardian article circa 2005.

Then just scroll through the IDF’s twitter page, their Arabic Tiktok Page, their posts in women’s lingerie: and just look through the accounts of several IDF soldiers, mocking killing children, celebrating rape and make-up your mind about this ‘very complex’ situation where only Hamas is to blame. And everything is just a lie. No apartheid, no genocide. Just these ‘inhuman animals’ the Palestinians ‘who simply cannot accept war.’ Weird how Netanyahu referred to the Nakba that never happened multiple times. How official Israeli accounts threatened the Palestinians it never happened to with another round.

I absolutely abhor how Hamas operates in Gaza, what they did in Nova, but Israel is just as culpable in my opinion, if not more. It calls itself a light— holds itself moral and full of values, is funded with billions, has superior weapons and intelligence but then has zero regard for human life. Not just that of innocent Palestinian civilians but also of its Israel hostages. Don’t believe me, follow Israeli accounts for yourself. The algo will take you to where you need to go. And make up your own mined. I came here because a friend sent me a few comments, I don’t visit this site, won’t visit again, so don’t bother reply to me.

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around.

DP

What TF is going on? Why do people like you continue to respond to posts where someone completely disavows any support for Hamas, and actually condemns Hamas, with “Well, you have another thing coming if you think Hamas is blameless and will remain the governing authority in Gaza”.

What occurs in your brain that when someone curses Hamas to the depths of hell, you continue to count them as a supporter of Hamas? Is it because you know that your talk of “not supporting” the right wing in Israel is just empty talk that belies your words and actions?

That’s it, huh? Ugh …

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

I don't support the far right in Israel. But you have been duped if you think Palestinians have a viable future as long as Hamas is in the picture. Israel provided infrastructure, resources that were all destroyed or utilized for tunnels and weapons. Palestinians worked in Israel prior to 10/7 and that opportunity was stolen from them by Hamas' decision to murder and kidnap Israeli civilians. A lot of blame to go around.

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Anonymous wrote:we condemn hamas but they've killed 1200 and IDF has killed 40000. Actually the Lancer study estimates the deaths could be close to 200k. If a tenth of these had died in Israel you would burn the whole world down.

Hamas knew their actions would lead to thousands of Palestinan deaths. Yet, they did not care and still don't care. If they had any concern for Palestinian lives, they would have made different choices.

Victim blaming at the third grade level.

Are rape and other forms of domestic violence prevalent in Israel? They have to be with this lame brand of victim blaming we see over and over again.

I am blaming Hamas. But you knew that.

What should those newborn infants in NICU incubators have done to inform you, arbiter of blame, that they did not, in fact, support Hamas before their lives were snuffed out by IDF actions in Gaza?

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Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

What a joke. Hamas ceding power is laughable. They would be out launching rockets the day after any deal. That is all they know how to do, unfortunately. Murder, rape, torture and kidnap Jews. Not improve Palestinian lives.

I guess that’s your way of conceding that your welcome mat for a Hamas surrender to commit to a ceasefire is just empty talk and - how terribly unsurprising - perfectly on brand with your irrepressible dishonesty.

Huh? Oh I see...you are assuming I am Israeli and/or Jewish. That way, you can lean on tropes rather than face the reality of a hopeless future for Palestinians because of Hamas' psychopathic decisions.

I reject Hamas, have rejected the policies and actions of Hamas since Day 1, and am neither Palestinian nor Muslim, so swing-and-a-miss.

But curious that you have such vibrant views of conflict in a region that you purport to have no connection to. How did that come about?

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Anonymous wrote:What about all the Palestinians that have American citizenship that died. What about all the journalists that died, what about all the health care and aid workers that died? I don’t recall even once a piece about them and who they were. This is not to leave out the millions of nameless everyday Palestinians that were killed. I truly deeply have a sincere antipathy toward this country.

I did see articles about the aid workers and journalists and it angers me that they were killed. But Hamas must be eliminated for there to be any future for Palestinians. They cannot continue to be led by a group that does not care whether they live or die. Israel needs new leadership, too. But no Israeli leader is going to care more about Palestinians than they care about themselves.

If you kill all the Palestinians in the effort to get rid of Hamas, your whole argument is hollow (and demented).

Besides, you can bomb Gaza to the ground in its entirety and you won't rid the world of Hamas. Unfortunately.

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Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

So you say it out loud. You think it is fine to kill all the Palestinians, and you will use the psychopathy of a bunch of terrorists to justify it.

You have have just proven that the far-right Israeli government and their supporters are every bit the psychopaths that Hamas is.

Both far-right Israelis and their supporters AND Hamas disgust me completely. No regard for innocent human lives.

Anonymous wrote:You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

Just stop. 40,000 is a low estimate of the dead. Israel and US intelligence estimates only 30% of Hamas in Gaza has been killed. You are totally clueless.

You say 40,000 dead. You’re relying on numbers supplied by Hamas - an unreliable terrorist organization - and the majority of the number is comprised by Hamas terrorist, not innocent civilians.

You say the word “genocide.” The population of Palestinians has increased substantially over the past few decades.

You say that Palestinians are suffering solely because of Israel’s actions. Yet the terrorist organization elected by them uses them as human shields.

You speak of the nakba in 1948. Palestinians have never accepted the truth - it was a war, not a genocide, and the Palestinians lost that war. That is the root of this entire problem.

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Anonymous wrote:we condemn hamas but they've killed 1200 and IDF has killed 40000. Actually the Lancer study estimates the deaths could be close to 200k. If a tenth of these had died in Israel you would burn the whole world down.

Hamas knew their actions would lead to thousands of Palestinan deaths. Yet, they did not care and still don't care. If they had any concern for Palestinian lives, they would have made different choices.

Victim blaming at the third grade level.

Are rape and other forms of domestic violence prevalent in Israel? They have to be with this lame brand of victim blaming we see over and over again.

I am blaming Hamas. But you knew that.