Anonymous
04/15/2021 07:34
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
I wish the media and society in general would emphasize the enormous extent to which your risk of bodily harm increases when you resist arrest. It would save lives. (But we all know that will never happen.)
Anonymous
04/15/2021 06:09
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
What’s your point? He knew he was arrested and resisted, creating a dangerous situation and an obvious need to use force. The only thing this officer seemed to do wrong was mistakenly use the wrong level of force.
No they don’t need to use any force for a <$500 fine and a warrant that was a court administrative mistake.
Stop conflating the two. She attempted to tase him bc he fled, and he had a prior of fleeing with an illegal gun. Not bc of a court error. He shouldn’t have attempted fleeing.
Anonymous
04/15/2021 06:06
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Stop conflating the two. She attempted to tase him bc he fled, had a prior of fleeing with an illegal gun. Not bc of a court error.
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
What’s your point? He knew he was arrested and resisted, creating a dangerous situation and an obvious need to use force. The only thing this officer seemed to do wrong was mistakenly use the wrong level of force.
No they don’t need to use any force for a <$500 fine and a warrant that was a court administrative mistake.
Anonymous
04/15/2021 00:26
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:
That's a lot of word to repeat what I said.
He had a court date.
The letter was never sent.
They erroneously put a warrant out for his arrest on a minor misdemeanor charge that was < $500 fine. That was the only thing the cops were arresting for.
It was a misdemeanor. ... it's against policy to chase a fleeing misdemeanor, they broke protocol to chase, they broke protocol to taser, they broke protocol to have the taser on the dominant side of the body....
because of their neglect a very young man is dead.
There’s no evidence a letter was never sent with respect to the April hearing, that the warrant was “erroneous,” or outside of protocol. We don’t know why he failed to appear. We do know a judge reviewed some elements of the case and probably spoke to other people involved with the case who appeared, and then decided to sign a warrant asking for Wright to be apprehended and compelled to appear before the court. If the judge broke protocol in issuing the warrant, then I would absolutely support a comprehensive review of how that happened and accountability for those involved. But I haven’t seen any evidence of an “erroneous” warrant yet.
Taser was on non-dominant side according to charging docs.
I do think there are good points about the taser use in this scenario. As well as obviously no justification for why he was fatally shot in a negligent discharge.
Anonymous
04/15/2021 00:13
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see the criminal intent or criminal behavior on the part of the police officer. A terrible and tragic mistake, yes. In no other profession would someone be held to these same standards. A infantryman accidentally shooting another soldier (it’s called friendly fire), a driver stepping on the gas instead of the brake and hitting a pedestrian (it’s called an unfortunate accident), a paramedic, doctor or EMT not doing something correctly (it’s called a mistake or malpractice), but with a cop, it’s automatically criminal...
Soldiers do get prosecuted sometimes for friendly fire. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sdut-marine-tanker-charged-friendly-fire-shooting-afgha-2012jan19-story.html
A driver hitting the gas instead of the brake will be prosecuted. https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/03/20/westwood-anne-marie-mcinnis-eddie-thomson-fatal-crash-sun-glare-accident/
Michael Jackson's doctor was convicted of manslaughter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._Murray
And, no, for a cop it is NOT automatically criminal - that's been the problem. Ever hear of Breonna Taylor?
I don’t think criminal prosecution was warranted in that case either. George Floyd, yes.
People should read all of the articles that quote law professors at law schools in that state. All say the prosecution is going to be hard or is not viable:
Richard Frase, a professor of criminal law at the University of Minnesota, said the second-degree manslaughter statute is worded narrowly enough that the case might prove difficult for prosecutors to prove, noting that it requires them to show that Ms. Potter consciously took a chance of “causing death or great bodily harm.”
“She thinks she’s firing a Taser,” he said of the former officer. “How can we prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she consciously took chances of at least causing great bodily harm?”
In other words they have to prove she intended to cause him great harm. She intended to use non-lethal force. What she used is not relevant to the elements of the crime. Her intent is the element. Her intent is pretty clear.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 23:50
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
The armed robbery was his fault.
He slept at a girls house and left with no money... some armed robbery.
Why are people minimizing his role in an armed robbery? Yes, it's true that he hasn't been convicted.....but come on! While awaiting trial or whatever court proceeding was to happen next, he got busted for illegaly carrying a loaded gun.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 23:40
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Because the pretextual traffic stop happens disproportionately to Black people. That’s just to start with.
Citation?
Or did you make it up, kind of like most of the previous posts?
Anonymous
04/14/2021 23:01
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Because the pretextual traffic stop happens disproportionately to Black people. That’s just to start with.
Note to black people... fix your tail light!
Anonymous
04/14/2021 23:01
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
The warrant causes a lot of confusion because there was a fulfilled warrant for a case that was working through the court system, that he had to be aware of, and an open warrant for failing to appear about another alleged incident June 30th. The notice of hearing for that was posted March 4th and there are no returned mail documentations under that case number.
The fulfilled warrant was for an alleged felony offense and he was given a conditional release after posting bond. He would also be obligated to provide a current address to the court for the ongoing case, but there’s a documentation that mail was returned under that case number.
A hearing for the alleged June incident was scheduled for 4/02, which he did not attend. It isn’t clear why he didn’t attend or what channels he would have been notified through.
Since he didn’t appear, the judge issued a warrant for a gross misdemeanor and that’s what the officers on Sunday were attempting to take him into custody for. I agree there are cases where people don’t know they have warrants or don’t understand what that means. However, if officers have a signed warrant you can (and probably will, under these circumstances) be detained and arrested regardless.
These are allegations and sometimes people are falsely accused.
Not relevant to him being fatally shot instead of tasered, since there’s never going to be any good reason for that to have happened. It’s pointless to even try to justify that.
But it is relevant to a limited extent of whether the officers were justified to attempt to detain him, and why the incident escalated so quickly when he attempted to re-enter the vehicle.
That's a lot of word to repeat what I said.
He had a court date.
The letter was never sent.
They erroneously put a warrant out for his arrest on a minor misdemeanor charge that was < $500 fine. That was the only thing the cops were arresting for.
It was a misdemeanor. ... it's against policy to chase a fleeing misdemeanor, they broke protocol to chase, they broke protocol to taser, they broke protocol to have the taser on the dominant side of the body....
because of their neglect a very young man is dead.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:59
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Because the pretextual traffic stop happens disproportionately to Black people. That’s just to start with.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:56
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
What’s your point? He knew he was arrested and resisted, creating a dangerous situation and an obvious need to use force. The only thing this officer seemed to do wrong was mistakenly use the wrong level of force.
No they don’t need to use any force for a <$500 fine and a warrant that was a court administrative mistake.
So everyone should wiggle out of handcuffs, jump in their car and drive away when being arrested?
If you want to and then get picked up later and get a 2nd charge for resisting/fleeing an arrest.
But what we ALL know should not happen during a misdemeanor arrest is you should NOT pursue if they run... this is police PROCEDURE. They know that perusing is dangerous for the perp and the public.
It might hurt you little blue ego to let them get away, but it has been studied, it is the correct procedure and it is what is best for the public.
Clearly they did not follow procedure in this case and death resulted... as it often does, as studies show, which is why this is the procedure.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:52
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see the criminal intent or criminal behavior on the part of the police officer. A terrible and tragic mistake, yes. In no other profession would someone be held to these same standards. A infantryman accidentally shooting another soldier (it’s called friendly fire), a driver stepping on the gas instead of the brake and hitting a pedestrian (it’s called an unfortunate accident), a paramedic, doctor or EMT not doing something correctly (it’s called a mistake or malpractice), but with a cop, it’s automatically criminal...
Soldiers do get prosecuted sometimes for friendly fire. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sdut-marine-tanker-charged-friendly-fire-shooting-afgha-2012jan19-story.html
A driver hitting the gas instead of the brake will be prosecuted. https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/03/20/westwood-anne-marie-mcinnis-eddie-thomson-fatal-crash-sun-glare-accident/
Michael Jackson's doctor was convicted of manslaughter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._Murray
And, no, for a cop it is NOT automatically criminal - that's been the problem. Ever hear of Breonna Taylor?
I don’t think criminal prosecution was warranted in that case either. George Floyd, yes.
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:42
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
What’s your point? He knew he was arrested and resisted, creating a dangerous situation and an obvious need to use force. The only thing this officer seemed to do wrong was mistakenly use the wrong level of force.
No they don’t need to use any force for a <$500 fine and a warrant that was a court administrative mistake.
So everyone should wiggle out of handcuffs, jump in their car and drive away when being arrested?
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:20
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:I just don’t see the criminal intent or criminal behavior on the part of the police officer. A terrible and tragic mistake, yes. In no other profession would someone be held to these same standards. A infantryman accidentally shooting another soldier (it’s called friendly fire), a driver stepping on the gas instead of the brake and hitting a pedestrian (it’s called an unfortunate accident), a paramedic, doctor or EMT not doing something correctly (it’s called a mistake or malpractice), but with a cop, it’s automatically criminal...
Soldiers do get prosecuted sometimes for friendly fire. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sdut-marine-tanker-charged-friendly-fire-shooting-afgha-2012jan19-story.html
A driver hitting the gas instead of the brake will be prosecuted. https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/03/20/westwood-anne-marie-mcinnis-eddie-thomson-fatal-crash-sun-glare-accident/
Michael Jackson's doctor was convicted of manslaughter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._Murray
And, no, for a cop it is NOT automatically criminal - that's been the problem. Ever hear of Breonna Taylor?
Anonymous
04/14/2021 22:20
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Full disclosure: I’ve only read one article and watched the video.
Questions:
-Did she and the other officers know they were arresting someone with an outstanding bench warrant?
-Did she know what the warrant was for?
-Doesn’t the fact that he was not only resisting arrest but actively fleeing warrant use of force such as a taser?
-Assuming that drawing the gun instead of the taser was a terrible mistake rather than her intended choice of weapon, why is this incident being labeled as fueled by racism? What would a black officer have done in that situation where someone resists and attempts to flee an arrest for an outstanding warrant (not a warrant for unpaid tickets, but for something serious as was the case here)? Taser him, correct?
Automatic license plate readers are extremely common on Police cruisers across the USA.
They scan EVERY license plate the cruiser passes (yes - your car too. Every time).
Registrations linked to outstanding criminal warrants appear automatically on the laptop present in every cruiser (yes, they have those too. Have for years).
Aren’t you smart? Clearly there either wasn’t a plate reader in the squad car in this situation, or the car was his mother’s. They didn’t learn he had an outstanding warrant until they took his ID back to the squad car and ran it there.
Regardless, the 3 police officers in the video were placing him under arrest due to an outstanding warrant for a rather serious reason. And, he resisted and was actively fleeing.
This doesn’t seem racially motivated at all.
Rather serious? He failed to appear in court on a permit ... <$500 fine and the court never notified him so his warrant wasn’t his fault.
The warrant causes a lot of confusion because there was a fulfilled warrant for a case that was working through the court system, that he had to be aware of, and an open warrant for failing to appear about another alleged incident June 30th. The notice of hearing for that was posted March 4th and there are no returned mail documentations under that case number.
The fulfilled warrant was for an alleged felony offense and he was given a conditional release after posting bond. He would also be obligated to provide a current address to the court for the ongoing case, but there’s a documentation that mail was returned under that case number.
A hearing for the alleged June incident was scheduled for 4/02, which he did not attend. It isn’t clear why he didn’t attend or what channels he would have been notified through.
Since he didn’t appear, the judge issued a warrant for a gross misdemeanor and that’s what the officers on Sunday were attempting to take him into custody for. I agree there are cases where people don’t know they have warrants or don’t understand what that means. However, if officers have a signed warrant you can (and probably will, under these circumstances) be detained and arrested regardless.
These are allegations and sometimes people are falsely accused.
Not relevant to him being fatally shot instead of tasered, since there’s never going to be any good reason for that to have happened. It’s pointless to even try to justify that.
But it is relevant to a limited extent of whether the officers were justified to attempt to detain him, and why the incident escalated so quickly when he attempted to re-enter the vehicle.