Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:49
Subject: Re:RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You can scream and cry all you want, but Trump will nominate an extreme conservative and a Republican Senate will quickly confirm. Is it fair? No, absolutely not. But that’s what’s going to happen. And the Dems won’t pack the Court if they win the Presidency and the Senate (and that’s a big if), because then the Republicans would just do the same down the road. This is all very nasty and sad, but it’s what will happen. End of debate. End of story.
Glad to see someone has already reached the Acceptance phase of Grief.
Except that their logic seems a bit faulty about what would happen later. The Dems would pack the court because the Rs are doing whatever the hell they please and it matters not to the Rs what the Dems do anyway. There are no rules to the game anymore. Gloves are off.
I dunno why you guys don't use poison more often.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:49
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you suggest holding Mitch to his words?
He needs to let the next President decide the nomination. If he doesn't, it will tear this country apart.
Please. Obama said it is the constitutional duty.
Nothing black and white here.
Barrett is a fine successor for RBG; a towering female jurist.
I also think Barrett is fine. That isn't the problem. The problem is the GOP having no principles. They need to show some now.
There are very few elected officials in either major party that have principles. There are some good story tellers that may have convinced you that they are principled. Even Bernie voted with the gun lobby for decades and has like three homes.
Misdirection. McConnell insisted in 2016 that the right thing to do was to let the American people decide. Democrats abided by this principle. Now McConnell doesn't want to abide by this principle. He will destroy the tiny remaining shreds of political good will left in this country. If that doesn't sound like much to you, then you aren't paying attention.
Hilarious. Democrats did not abide by anything. They did not have the power to stop McConnell (he used the power that Democrats gave the Majority Leader only years prior when they were in charge). They complained relentlessly to no avail. Now Republicans will be taking the positions adopted by Democrats in 2016 and vice versa. It is called politics.
"Politics" is ruining our country. I'm tired of the naked power grabs from the GOP with no consideration of the consequences.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:46
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly! He still gets to put the judge in, but will also get the boost from the fight. Democrats will be powerless to change anything, which will be demoralizing once they realize they can't change what is now inevitable.
If Democrats were smart they can use this. Trump will try to make the SC right wing for decades. But Dems have a chance at getting back the presidency and the Senate. With both houses they can do so many things. Bye bye filibuster for legislation. Hello long needed changes to strengthen our social safety net. Hello, expanded Supreme Court because the current court is extremist right wing BS that is slowly dismantling our democracy (money is speech? Wtf. Gerrymandering is fine? Wtf.).
But they won't because they are terrible at messaging and have based their strategy on attracting Republicans.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:44
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you suggest holding Mitch to his words?
He needs to let the next President decide the nomination. If he doesn't, it will tear this country apart.
Please. Obama said it is the constitutional duty.
Nothing black and white here.
Barrett is a fine successor for RBG; a towering female jurist.
I also think Barrett is fine. That isn't the problem. The problem is the GOP having no principles. They need to show some now.
There are very few elected officials in either major party that have principles. There are some good story tellers that may have convinced you that they are principled. Even Bernie voted with the gun lobby for decades and has like three homes.
Misdirection. McConnell insisted in 2016 that the right thing to do was to let the American people decide. Democrats abided by this principle. Now McConnell doesn't want to abide by this principle. He will destroy the tiny remaining shreds of political good will left in this country. If that doesn't sound like much to you, then you aren't paying attention.
Hilarious. Democrats did not abide by anything. They did not have the power to stop McConnell (he used the power that Democrats gave the Majority Leader only years prior when they were in charge). They complained relentlessly to no avail. Now Republicans will be taking the positions adopted by Democrats in 2016 and vice versa. It is called politics.
Facts!!! +1
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:43
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you suggest holding Mitch to his words?
He needs to let the next President decide the nomination. If he doesn't, it will tear this country apart.
Please. Obama said it is the constitutional duty.
Nothing black and white here.
Barrett is a fine successor for RBG; a towering female jurist.
I also think Barrett is fine. That isn't the problem. The problem is the GOP having no principles. They need to show some now.
There are very few elected officials in either major party that have principles. There are some good story tellers that may have convinced you that they are principled. Even Bernie voted with the gun lobby for decades and has like three homes.
Misdirection. McConnell insisted in 2016 that the right thing to do was to let the American people decide. Democrats abided by this principle. Now McConnell doesn't want to abide by this principle. He will destroy the tiny remaining shreds of political good will left in this country. If that doesn't sound like much to you, then you aren't paying attention.
Hilarious. Democrats did not abide by anything. They did not have the power to stop McConnell (he used the power that Democrats gave the Majority Leader only years prior when they were in charge). They complained relentlessly to no avail. Now Republicans will be taking the positions adopted by Democrats in 2016 and vice versa. It is called politics.
You: There is no right or wrong, only power.
Are you a looter, by chance?
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:38
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How do you suggest holding Mitch to his words?
He needs to let the next President decide the nomination. If he doesn't, it will tear this country apart.
Please. Obama said it is the constitutional duty.
Nothing black and white here.
Barrett is a fine successor for RBG; a towering female jurist.
I also think Barrett is fine. That isn't the problem. The problem is the GOP having no principles. They need to show some now.
There are very few elected officials in either major party that have principles. There are some good story tellers that may have convinced you that they are principled. Even Bernie voted with the gun lobby for decades and has like three homes.
Misdirection. McConnell insisted in 2016 that the right thing to do was to let the American people decide. Democrats abided by this principle. Now McConnell doesn't want to abide by this principle. He will destroy the tiny remaining shreds of political good will left in this country. If that doesn't sound like much to you, then you aren't paying attention.
Hilarious. Democrats did not abide by anything. They did not have the power to stop McConnell (he used the power that Democrats gave the Majority Leader only years prior when they were in charge). They complained relentlessly to no avail. Now Republicans will be taking the positions adopted by Democrats in 2016 and vice versa. It is called politics.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:33
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why local judges are forced to retire by age 65 (I think) but we allow cancer stricken 80-somethings on the SC?
It is in the constitution. Lifetime appointment
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:32
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly! He still gets to put the judge in, but will also get the boost from the fight. Democrats will be powerless to change anything, which will be demoralizing once they realize they can't change what is now inevitable.
Not demoralizing at all!!!! I am energized, and so are many others. ActBlue donations are through the roof. We know we lost the SCOTUS and there is only ONE WAY to get it back. #GOTV
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:29
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Exactly! He still gets to put the judge in, but will also get the boost from the fight. Democrats will be powerless to change anything, which will be demoralizing once they realize they can't change what is now inevitable.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:25
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Biden should just announce that he will nominate Garland. . If Mitch goes ahead with his deceit then Garland becomes the tenth justice. It restores balance, fairness and the institutional legitimacy of the Court and Senate Frankly, 5-4 decisions are bad for the country.
That's the healing move though. The what's good for the goose is good for the gander move is expanding the Court since there are no rules any more.
But he promised a black woman!!!! Lmao
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:25
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Also:
"Majority Leader McConnell could decide to keep his endangered Republican Senate incumbents off of the campaign trail in October so that they can confirm Trump’s nominee, but there is little political benefit in that strategy for Republicans."
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/19/2020 13:14
Subject: RGB Politcal Discussion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like it is going to be most feasible for the GOP to run this through in the Lame Duck session.
If Biden wins and the Senate turns, then all should make it clear that if the GOP forces this through in the Lame Duck session, that the Democrats will:
1) remove the filibuster
2) amend 28 US 1 to allow for up 15 justices on the supreme court;
3) pass statehood for DC and PR (if they want it)
4) Pass universal healthcare (since the ACA is effectively dead anyhow)
5) pass legislation overturning Citizens United
6) Pass legislation standardizing electronic voting and mail in voting standards
7) tighten all of the ethics loopholes the Trump administration has exploited
I am sure there is more, and some of this should happen anyhow, but Mitch can try to get his one SCOTUS appointment through at this juncture, but the will of the people will have spoken, loudly and serious reform and modernizing will need to happen.
Give DC 2 voting senators!!!
That is usually what statehood means.