Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 17:36     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


You've got to sell the upsides. If the only reason a white person should give something up is because they ought to feel guilty because others don't have as much as they do, it's not going to work for that many people. After all, they can look around and see that they have less than someone else. Life isn't fair. I think there is a good argument that contributing to a more equitable world will benefit just about everyone. Less wealth disparity, more widely distributed prosperity, and a better educated populace will likely raise all boats and make the areas beyond your suburbs and gated communities more pleasant and vibrant. But those arguments have to be made. You can't blame people for not wanting to wear hair shirts or put their kids into dilapidated schools with students from dysfunctional families.


I agree with this basic premise. People need to see the upsides of what you're selling. Guilt will only go so far and will even work against you.

It's also why I generally support universal benefits as opposed to something like reparations. Something like the Child Tax Credit is just easier to pass and also disproportionately benefits minorities. People have to believe they can benefit from it.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 15:46     Subject: Re:Nice White Parents
It will be interesting to see what MCPS does. I know that in FCPS there was an enormous amount of posturing in 2018 and 2019 about how important it was to undertake a county-wide boundary student "through an equity lens."

However, that coincided with the School Board elections in fall 2019, and the liberal Democrats couldn't have done more to beat a retreat from their prior rhetoric. One candidate endorsed by the local Democrats who had initially set up a web page touting her support of "One Fairfax" (the county's equity policy) quickly scrubbed her campaign page of any references to that policy when some wealthy parents from her district challenged her. And then a few years later when they actually changed some school boundaries that same Board member, having been elected, made sure that a staff recommendation that would have added some multi-family housing to the wealthiest high school in the county was scrapped in favor of one that only moved some expensive single-family homes, while continuing to concentrate less expensive multi-family housing at other high schools.

At this point, I'd just as soon see the Democrats lose control of the local School Boards in the DMV entirely, because they don't have the courage of their convictions and the empty talk just chews up time (which often means delays in addressing things like school overcrowding and facilities needs).
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 15:35     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting series so far.

I'm curious as to what kind of policies she'd recommend at the end of this.


That’s the key. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer that promotes equity when the people in power want to keep their advantages....


You've got to sell the upsides. If the only reason a white person should give something up is because they ought to feel guilty because others don't have as much as they do, it's not going to work for that many people. After all, they can look around and see that they have less than someone else. Life isn't fair. I think there is a good argument that contributing to a more equitable world will benefit just about everyone. Less wealth disparity, more widely distributed prosperity, and a better educated populace will likely raise all boats and make the areas beyond your suburbs and gated communities more pleasant and vibrant. But those arguments have to be made. You can't blame people for not wanting to wear hair shirts or put their kids into dilapidated schools with students from dysfunctional families.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 14:02     Subject: Nice White Parents
So they begged for the school to be built close to them and not send their kids their to later on gentrify sounds like a solid shady plan to me …look how they did Brooklyn
Anonymous
Post 12/20/2021 09:30     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.


No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.

Tying this conversation back to MoCo Maryland for a second, the whole D15 thing is why many of us saw MCPS's decision to hire WXY to conduct the boundary analysis as one of the first steps of a busing plan. Busing is what WXY does.


The imaginary busing plan again? This was never proposed just a far-right conspiracy theory.

Oh the irony. This whole thread is about the busing plan that WXY devised and implemented in NYC and you're pretending that they weren't brought in to MCPS to do the same thing. You're laughable.
Anonymous
Post 12/20/2021 06:46     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.


No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.


Can't imagine D13 or D14 are in love with it either.
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2021 08:47     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.


No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.

Tying this conversation back to MoCo Maryland for a second, the whole D15 thing is why many of us saw MCPS's decision to hire WXY to conduct the boundary analysis as one of the first steps of a busing plan. Busing is what WXY does.


The imaginary busing plan again? This was never proposed just a far-right conspiracy theory.

You're correct that it was never proposed. They simply started executing their plan. Here it is. BTW, I'm a liberal Dem.

BUSING PLAN

1. Alter the boundary policy so that any future boundary study will result in kids being moved to schools based primarily on their skin color and family income instead of proximity.

1.b. Do this without sending the policy out for public comment so no one knows until it's too late

2. Hire a diversity consultant with experience writing busing plans in major metro areas to conduct a boundary analysis.

3. Test new boundary policy in a middle class area (Clarksburg) to see how much fallout there is. They have far fewer resources than Bethesda and Potmac.

4. If the boundary analysis and test go well, order a systemwide boundary study to move all boundaries with diversity and the main driver. If the analysis and test don't go well, simply wait for natural boundary studies and the diversity-first policy will result in busing, just at a much slower pace.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2021 14:34     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.


No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.

Tying this conversation back to MoCo Maryland for a second, the whole D15 thing is why many of us saw MCPS's decision to hire WXY to conduct the boundary analysis as one of the first steps of a busing plan. Busing is what WXY does.


The imaginary busing plan again? This was never proposed just a far-right conspiracy theory.
Anonymous
Post 12/12/2021 00:37     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


“Value screened academic programs” is a new way to say it. A+ for effort!
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2021 09:51     Subject: Nice White Parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten away from.discussing the podcast. Has anyone listened to the last episode, #5? We are in Brooklyn. Our mixed race middle class kids go to an Elementary school in District 15, which includes Cobble Hill. My older kid will be entering Middle School next year and will benefit from the lottery system the nice white parents in D15 fought for, so I thank them for that. I am grateful for not having my kids prepare portfolios or prep for auditions and interviews.

I know that soon after the lottery was implemented, everyone was congratulating themselves with the racial percentages of seat offers. But the real change could only be measured by who accepted their seats. So far,.it does look like the lottery moved the needle a.bit - the two Middle Schools that were almost all Black or Latino now have some white and Asian students. But the reason why D15 will likely be a success is because most of the schools are good and the administrators are savvy about how to get resources and money for their schools. The true measure of success will be seeing how all of these students perform grade and testwise, at least to me.


And you fail to mention that not every family accepted the seat they were assigned in the D15 lottery. You also fail to mention that over the past two years D15 middle school enrollment has declined. You also fail to mention that many parents were not as enthusiastic about the changes as you were, especially those who value screened academic programs. If you want a project-based progressive education for your child, then NYC is the place for you, but for the rest of us it's time to move unless Eric Adams puts a stop to this far-left nonsense.


I'm the PP. I thought I had addressed your first two points. The true results were that it moved the needle a bit racially, meaning that some white families accepted seats in schools with lower white enrollment, so that was a little bit of an improvement. I also don't know if I would characterize myself as "enthusiastic" about the changes but on the whole positive. I was not looking forward to the auditions, portfolio presentations and interviews as I previously mentioned, and I don't know any other families who were happy about that in the past. From what I gathered from parents who were in the Middle School selection process over the last couple of years, they were fearful of being sent to an underperforming school or one that did not work for their kid's interests or commute. Most of the parents I spoke with the first year of the lottery were meh about Tue results - some went to charters and some went to private, but most were pleased (they got one of their top three picks). Last year most of the families were pleased - maybe because they knew better what to expect and they had a game plan. It's our turn this year, and I'm feeling reassured about our D15 options both public and charter. I dont know if i could say definitively that families have left the NYC school system entirely because of the lottery system; it might be that but more likely the effects of the pandemic (leaving the city for work, bigger homes, to be with family; leaving for private and charters that gk remote less often or have fewer school shut downs, etc.). Your reply to me came off a little hot, I hope that is my misreading of it. But I don't see why Adams would reverse the D15 Middle School lottery process.I would not consider myself or my husband far left. We really appreciate the DOE's G&T program and think it should be revised and improved rather than scrapped.


No, you didn't misread my comments. Those of us who live in Manhattan are not as enthusiastic about these changes as the D15 crowd.


Is your child in Middle School yet? How has the process been for you in Manhattan?