Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:56
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Question for those who have worked in Senate offices....
I watched Tara Reade give an interview. It was on Democracy Now, but I don't know if they actually did the interview or were just showing a clip. In the interview Reade recounts the events surrounding the alleged assault. She specifically says that it started with someone in the office telling her that "Joe" wants his gym bag.
I know this seem insignificant, but it seemed odd to me that any staffer would call the boss (Biden) by his first name. I thought everyone in the office called the person they worked for by "the Senator" or "Senator Biden."
When I worked for judges, we ALWAYS called them "Judge (Last Name)" The secretaries who worked there for years and years called them "Judge (Last Name)".
I was under the impression that ALL the staff in a senator's office would only call the Senator by their title.
Which makes me wonder about the rest of her recollections, such as Biden supposedly saying "you're nothing to me" and "c'mon man, I thought you liked me." Those just seem really odd statements and they don't ring true to me.
But, my question is really about whether a senate staffer would ever call a senator by his first name, "Joe wants..."
I watched Tara Reade give an interview. It was on Democracy Now, but I don't know if they actually did the interview or were just showing a clip. In the interview Reade recounts the events surrounding the alleged assault. She specifically says that it started with someone in the office telling her that "Joe" wants his gym bag.
I know this seem insignificant, but it seemed odd to me that any staffer would call the boss (Biden) by his first name. I thought everyone in the office called the person they worked for by "the Senator" or "Senator Biden."
When I worked for judges, we ALWAYS called them "Judge (Last Name)" The secretaries who worked there for years and years called them "Judge (Last Name)".
I was under the impression that ALL the staff in a senator's office would only call the Senator by their title.
Which makes me wonder about the rest of her recollections, such as Biden supposedly saying "you're nothing to me" and "c'mon man, I thought you liked me." Those just seem really odd statements and they don't ring true to me.
But, my question is really about whether a senate staffer would ever call a senator by his first name, "Joe wants..."
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:54
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In an April 2019 interview Tara Reade "said of Biden: 'I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.'"
Pretty much undoes her whole alleged story. Geez.
Sure does. The woman is a liar, a nutter, or both.
This plus the positive tweets about his work on the Violence Against Women Act undo her story, absolutely.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:54
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Her accusation wasn’t vague or flimsy at all, it’s absolutely in line with what experts in the field say people recall.
So much of this seems out of line with how victims behave. Initially tweeting her praise of her attacker? Editing her year-old blog to change her old story to align with her new story? Claiming she filed a report and then, only after Biden called her bluff, changing the nature and content of what she said she reported?
I was attacked 25 years ago and it never occurred to me to do any of these things. My attacker was pretty well-known in my field and I listened to people praise him. I've been silent, so in that respect I'm similar to Tara. But unlike her, I never praised my attacker. I never blogged about him and then edited my blog to put my own actions in a better light. I never made claims about my own response and actions that I later had to amend when somebody threatened to investigate me. When you're in the right, there's absolutely no need to defend or alter your account of what you did. It's really easy to stick to your story. The truth is bad enough, there's no need for all this drama.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:53
Subject: Re:new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.
THIS fact is CRITICAL.
She did not tell them Biden assaulted her when it happened. She mentioned something about Biden that did not include assault a few years later.
Do you have a transcript of exactly what she said? No.
I believe HER.
I heard the recording of Tara’s mother calling the Larry King Show about the assault by “a prominent Senator”.
Did you?
I heard it, but I don’t think you did! Because she never said anything about an “assault.”
"Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
"That's true," the caller says.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html
Lesson learned:
When violated, teach your children to speak out LOUD. Scream at him to stop and get his hands off of you. No man has the right to touch you, NO matter WHO he THINKS he is... doctor, dentist, priest, rabbi, minister, teacher, coach, uncle, father, stepfather, neighbor, Senator. NO ONE.
No job is worth your silence.
File a police report ASAP and be sure to get yourself a copy of your report.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:52
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In an April 2019 interview Tara Reade "said of Biden: 'I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.'"
Pretty much undoes her whole alleged story. Geez.
Sure does. The woman is a liar, a nutter, or both.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:51
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Her accusation wasn’t vague or flimsy at all, it’s absolutely in line with what experts in the field say people recall.
No date, no place, no witnesses, no report, no one on his office remembers her saying anything.
Biden can't defend himself against these vague claims.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:49
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Her accusation wasn’t vague or flimsy at all, it’s absolutely in line with what experts in the field say people recall.
Not when they give two radically different versions of events, conveniently timed for political advantage.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:46
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Her accusation wasn’t vague or flimsy at all, it’s absolutely in line with what experts in the field say people recall.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:37
Subject: Re:new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She told several people about the incident when it happened.
THIS fact is CRITICAL.
She did not tell them Biden assaulted her when it happened. She mentioned something about Biden that did not include assault a few years later.
Do you have a transcript of exactly what she said? No.
I believe HER.
I heard the recording of Tara’s mother calling the Larry King Show about the assault by “a prominent Senator”.
Did you?
I heard it, but I don’t think you did! Because she never said anything about an “assault.”
"Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."
Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
"That's true," the caller says.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html
Lesson learned:
When violated, teach your children to speak out LOUD. Scream at him to stop and get his hands off of you. No man has the right to touch you, NO matter WHO he THINKS he is... doctor, dentist, priest, rabbi, minister, teacher, coach, uncle, father, stepfather, neighbor, Senator. NO ONE.
No job is worth your silence.
File a police report ASAP and be sure to get yourself a copy of your report.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:37
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Funny how he waited 39 days to respond.
Who should investigate?
Man, if I had been accused of something like this, I would be incensed. I would not have waited 39 days. Nor would I state that "all women need to be heard."
If he didn't do this, and she is making this up, what "right" does she have to be heard?
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:36
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Funny how he waited 39 days to respond.
Who should investigate?
Early on his spokeswoman stated it didn't happen and told the media to do due diligence. They did, and her story does not hold up.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:30
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people on this thread defending Biden and realize that they sound exactly like Fox news soundbites of people defending Trump. It is pretty much word for word!
Due process needs to exist for everyone.Yes Trump is awful - that doesn't mean that Biden can't also do wrong. He has been considered creepy uncle Joe for years - there were skits about it and all kinds of videos. It isn't a secret. Why deny something that is happening - don't you see how Trumpesque that is?
And all the attacks on Reide - again, it is pretty shocking to realize that at their core, Biden supporters are exactly the same as Trump supporters. They have the same attitudes, attack the same way, lie the same, protect their leader no matter what, say the exact same things....
It is a travesty that these are the two options to run the country.
no one is attacking Reade. parsing through her story and comparing it to her previous stories and facts on the ground are not attacks.
Tons of people have attacked her, called her names, discrediting her without knowing the facts, called her a liar - all kinds of attacks.
The progs here have been restrained compared to what you’re doing to Biden, with all the allegations of assault and dementia. And you guys specialize in playground insults. A little moderation on your part would make your whining now a little more credible.
Believing that Tara Reade should have a right to due process doesn't mean I am attacking Biden. I don't know who 'you guys' are that you are lumping me in with.
Biden is a human. It is humanly possible that he has done wrong.
Legally, she has no rights to any process. The statute of limitations is long passed.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:23
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Funny how he waited 39 days to respond.
Who should investigate?
Who should investigate?
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:18
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't seem to realize that it is very common for people who have experienced trauma to not share all the details at once. It is also very common for them to remember some details vividly and other details are very hazy. People who experience trauma don't always act in the way that you might expect. There is a lot of shame and confusion and guilt and self doubt and humiliation and that impacts what someone says and does and what they share when and to whom. People also may not remember details that weren't important as when the brain is in trauma mode, it ignores certain things to focus on the threat. Sensory experiences are often clearer than other details. Timelines are often confused and changing. Some details are withheld because the person doesn't want to talk about that aspect.
Disclosure and recall are often impacted by the traumatic experience. In any case - this one or any case where someone discloses sexual violence, you can't conclude it didn't happen because s/he didn't immediately give a full detailed account that never changed in any way.
Immediately??? It has been DECADES.
And she started talking more than a month ago. That should have been enough time to get your story straight.
But when you aren't telling the truth it is hard to keep the details straight.
You should look at the case of Jian Ghomeshi in Canada. He was accused of sexual assault (and criminally charged) by 5 different women. They came forward about 10 years after the alleged attacks. There were multiple other people who had seen what they considered inappropriate behaviour and sexual harrassment by JG and some had also experienced it but didn't want to come forward publicly. It went to trial, however the alleged victims stories had inconsistencies. They forgot details and got confused. In the end he was found not guilty due to the inconsistencies of the testimonies. There was a lot of discussion by trauma specialists and experts who felt that it wasn't that these 5 women 9and the other women who corroborated their stories) all just lied and made up stories of things that never happened - it was that their recollection and ability to talk about it was impacted by the trauma.
Did any of them tweet praise of their attacker's support of women, radically change their story, or state they were not afraid of him because "it wasn't that kind of vibe"?
+1 the timing of her dramatic story change, when her hero Sanders was losing the nom. She is absolutely not credible, and comparing her to legitimate victims of sexual assault is incredibly insulting.
Anonymous
05/02/2020 20:14
Subject: new Reade/Biden thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if people on this thread defending Biden and realize that they sound exactly like Fox news soundbites of people defending Trump. It is pretty much word for word!
Due process needs to exist for everyone.Yes Trump is awful - that doesn't mean that Biden can't also do wrong. He has been considered creepy uncle Joe for years - there were skits about it and all kinds of videos. It isn't a secret. Why deny something that is happening - don't you see how Trumpesque that is?
And all the attacks on Reide - again, it is pretty shocking to realize that at their core, Biden supporters are exactly the same as Trump supporters. They have the same attitudes, attack the same way, lie the same, protect their leader no matter what, say the exact same things....
It is a travesty that these are the two options to run the country.
no one is attacking Reade. parsing through her story and comparing it to her previous stories and facts on the ground are not attacks.
Tons of people have attacked her, called her names, discrediting her without knowing the facts, called her a liar - all kinds of attacks.
The progs here have been restrained compared to what you’re doing to Biden, with all the allegations of assault and dementia. And you guys specialize in playground insults. A little moderation on your part would make your whining now a little more credible.
Believing that Tara Reade should have a right to due process doesn't mean I am attacking Biden. I don't know who 'you guys' are that you are lumping me in with.
Biden is a human. It is humanly possible that he has done wrong.
Obama has anointed him, he is the one. Joe is pure.