Anonymous
04/02/2019 07:19
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did they keep Blair safe back on the day? They had magnet school geeks going to school with gang members
I went to a school out in LA back in the 80s with real gangs. I survived, as did the entire student body. Some of us even took AP classes, and some ended up at pretty prestigious colleges. In HS, if your kid is "smart", they will be in AP/honors classes along with other high achieving peers and away from the "riff raff". They will be fine.
Tell that to the smart Hispanic or smart black child who is bullied and made fun of for even taking those classes. Bad influences are in full effect in middle and high school.
So what your saying is that blacks and Hispanics can't learn together? They need to be shipped out?
So the Community can't make education a priority so the entire school district has to be upended?
This is not a low income/high income problem. It is a problem because parents and leaders in these communities aren't demanding the education is important.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 06:55
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?
Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?
Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%
Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.
-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.
Everyone's fear is that there's only so much good stuff to go around, so they need to make sure that their kids get it. Opportunity hoarding.
I'm an Asian American high income parent in the RM cluster, and I don't get the "the sky is falling" fear on this forum, either. But maybe that's because we -- the ^PP and I -- already live in a cluster that has a 20%ish FARMs rate, and we have no plans to move out of the cluster because of the consultants that the BOE is hiring to look at a better way to draw boundaries. Maybe the W parents think RM cluster already has a too high FARMs rate so that's why we don't care about the study?
Is it only the W parents that seem to have this "the sky is falling" irrational fear?
I don’t think it’s the W parents. I think it’s the Clarksburg/NW parents who may get rezoned to Seneca Valley. But maybe I’m wrong ... could be W parents too. They’re a popular target here.
It may be the Clarksburg/NW parents, but you'd better believe it's some of the W parents, too. Look at how WJ parents are *flipping out* around Woodward/DCC reassignment. If they're a target, it's because they make themselves that. I know plenty of people IRL who fit that exact profile.
We're a white, high-income family in the DCC who also aren't freaking out, because we're confident our kids will do well regardless of where they'll go, for various reasons.
Haven’t seen W parents flipping out over Woodward. They are really excited to finally get a performing arts magnet. There appear to be some DCC folks who want to get K-P moved to Einstein and their school moved into WJ. I’ve seen a lot about that on DCUM. But honestly, right now, this is mostly an upcounty issue. Woodward isn’t opening until 2025 at the earliest.
You can't possibly be serious. The news about the performing arts magnet is very new and there are plenty of W parents still freaking out. Maybe not on this thread, but go read the one on the Real Estate forum. What's that up to, 90 pages? Also, the decision that Woodward wouldn't be open until 2025 was literally just made last week. The facts simply don't bear out your assertions.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 06:52
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is all so exhausting. I’m already living in the horrific dystopia you are imagining — a school with 50+% FARMS — and it’s FINE. Actually better than fine. My child is thriving.
You think that your child is thriving because half of your child's peers can't pass basic grade level tests. Its EASY to think you are doing great when the competition is so low and the bar set even lower. Do you play sports with people over 95 years old? I bet you're a real athlete and just thriving at that sport.
Yea, wait until they have to compete with the global world and they realize they are at the bottom. Yea, real morale booster to compare yourself to poor competition.
DP, but you two are absurd. There's more to thriving than being the best compared to others. If my kid is emotionally secure, engaged, curious, kind, forms solid peer relationships, etc., that's thriving. This obsession with competition at the *elementary* level is incredibly damaging.
There are also objective measures of performance, which indicate, that, yes, kids from schools with high FARMS rates can be performing on par with kids from wealthier schools. The horror!
Anonymous
04/02/2019 02:55
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Agree and Darnestown really should be going to QO. Darnestown ES is literally right down the road from QO but kids are bussed past QO and up to NW instead. I guess the thinking is that since they have already been sacrificed why not send them even farther past QO and NW. Diamond ES and Brown Station is another diversity move. Diamond is closer to QO than Brown Station but Brown Station is bussed through the Diamond boundaries to get to QO while Diamond is sent over to NW. Brown Station keeps QO from being too wealthy and Diamond adds some wealthy families to NW.
It doesn't work. Parents hate it. Kids get sent to schools further away for longer bus rides and end up being from geographic islands. It has not created any utopia at all. There are racial incidents at QO, some parents resent the BS kids and the BS kids tend to get left out. The BS kids are not performing any better than low income kids at any other MCPS school. Darnestown sends so few kids to NW that it does nothing for adding wealthy kids into the mix. Because of the zoning most kids at Darnestown go to private for high school, file COSAs or even lie about their residency. Sending Darnestown to Seneca Valley will just push out the few kids who were willing to go to NW.
It doesn't work. Parents hate it. Kids get sent to schools further away for longer bus rides and end up being from geographic islands. It has not created any utopia at all. There are racial incidents at QO, some parents resent the BS kids and the BS kids tend to get left out. The BS kids are not performing any better than low income kids at any other MCPS school. Darnestown sends so few kids to NW that it does nothing for adding wealthy kids into the mix. Because of the zoning most kids at Darnestown go to private for high school, file COSAs or even lie about their residency. Sending Darnestown to Seneca Valley will just push out the few kids who were willing to go to NW.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 02:04
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Bethesda and Silver Spring crowd is too focused on protecting or destroying the top W schools. The people who would be moving fast would be people from the poorer Ws and people from the schools in the mid range schools being moved into a lower school. Heck there would be panic even at a very low ranking school like Einstein if a few neighborhoods were sent up to Kennedy.
Boundary changes that reach far into any of the schools below to pull out wealthier kids and send them further away to poor school will result in lots of people moving away fast.
Clarksburg to Seneca Valley
Blair to Einstein or Wheaton
Blair, Northwood, Einstein or Wheaton to Kennedy
Quince Orchard to Northwest
Northwest to Seneca Valley
Sherwood to anywhere in the DCC
Wootton/RM to Gaithersburg or Rockville
Walter Johnson to Einstein or anywhere in the DCC
It's literally 2 miles from Northwest High School to Seneca Valley High School. You can bike there in 10 minutes.
The proposed option isn't going from NW to Seneca Valley. Starting point should be Darnestown Elem (which feeds into NW) to Seneca Valley. Current bus ride for them is 45 min going to NW. Now add the additional time to get to SVHS.
Anonymous
04/02/2019 01:14
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
OMG - MCPS isn't even the best in MD. Its halfway down the list of MD counties now. Howard and Frederick surpassed it years ago.
MCPS hit its peak in the early 2000s and has been sliding down ever since due to bad decisions and a changing demographic. There really is zero reason to move to MoCo for the schools. If you have a job in MoCo and its an easier commute then sure move here and deal with the so so schools or pay for private. Other than that, there is just no reason to move here other than its cheaper than areas in VA and DC now (which wasn't true until the past few years).
MCPS hit its peak in the early 2000s and has been sliding down ever since due to bad decisions and a changing demographic. There really is zero reason to move to MoCo for the schools. If you have a job in MoCo and its an easier commute then sure move here and deal with the so so schools or pay for private. Other than that, there is just no reason to move here other than its cheaper than areas in VA and DC now (which wasn't true until the past few years).
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:54
Subject: S/O Where are all you families -- ? re MCPS changes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids graduated from W cluster, my youngest last year. I always thought MCPS was great and I didn't notice any recent changes. What is making families now reevaluate MCPS? Sincere question - I must have missed something, or it must've happened after my kids were out. Thanks.
People are (over-)reacting to the upcoming systemwide boundary analysis.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/
Would you prefer parents under-react? I’d rather have over active community members anytime.
I would prefer that parents react to the consultant's actual report and any subsequent decisions MCPS may make.
MCPS wants you to shut up and keeping taking it up the you-know-what. And keep paying your ever-increasing taxes of course.
homegrown BS curriculum 2.0, 2 level grading scale (A or B), test retakes, ESOL bonanza, BS studies every week, no differentiation, teeny tiny CES/Magnet programs with socially engineered admit pools, bloated incompetent Administration, 30 mins A WEEK of PE in elementary school (min of all U.S. states, counties, or city schools), 2-3 hours of chromebook time starting in K onward.
I mean, turn OP's question around, and give us a few good reasons why we should move to MoCo and MCPS. We both work, and don't have time to babysit and un-navigateable, untransparent huge county school district that only cares about one segment of students (underperforming). What about teaching all segments to potential?
MCPS is still the best in the area and one of the bests in the nation
Leads the nation in AP passing scores. All groups in MCPS do better than anywhere else.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/index.aspx?pagetype=showrelease&id=8161&type=archive&startYear=2017&pageNumber=3&mode=
More MCPS leading. ..
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/
For "high performing " students, there is no better place than MCPS. 15 of MD 20 Regeneron scholars this year are from MCPS and one MCPS school lead the whole nation
https://student.societyforscience.org/regeneron-sts-2019-scholars
As you can see, I posted FACTS not anecdotes or delusions.
I know private parents, NoVa parents and the other wannabes don't want hear them but these are facts, real world facts not DCUM delusions
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:50
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
[Post New]04/01/2019 22:49 Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to? [Up]
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
People, don't kid yourselves, this is already happening. At Rosemary Hills Elementary School,Young K-2 kids in Chevy Chase are bussed out of their neighborhood miles away out to Silver Spring in snow effort to improve the demographics of the school which is surrounded by Section 8 housing.
Then the section 8 kids are busted to Chevy Chase Elementary 3-5. Now MCPS took away our 6th grade and enlarged our gifted and talented program which imports even more kids from other neighborhoods. Our neighborhood school has been decimated. It is 70% kids who don't live in the area.
The parents are fed up and the neighborhood parents who run the Chevy Chase Foundation aren't even doing a social fundraiser this year. Because of course, the parents are burned out, constantly being asked for money by the school and are starting to yank their kids for private like most of the neighborhood. Most neighborhood CHCH families can afford private. 75% of the neighborhood is private precisely because of RHPS.
The RHPS split has been a 30 year horrible experiment and it is coming to a school near you. They will expand it. The county loves it, takes pride in it and absolutely will bus your kids. Whitman and WJ WC clusters, your bubble time is up!
Also see the catchment middle school Silver Creek. Rock Creek Forest is no where near but is busted in for diversity. Guess where most of the trouble in the school comes from. Bet you already know. "Elite" Chevy Chase families have been the Guinea pigs for years. Now the rest of county will get a taste of this mess.
Exactly. That's why all the kids go private until 3rd grade. It's sad. waste of money and driving kids in to DC for good private school. Oh well. Worth it.
I've heard this too. Friends moved there for the schools but didn't realize the problems in the ES so went private.
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:36
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is all so exhausting. I’m already living in the horrific dystopia you are imagining — a school with 50+% FARMS — and it’s FINE. Actually better than fine. My child is thriving.
You think that your child is thriving because half of your child's peers can't pass basic grade level tests. Its EASY to think you are doing great when the competition is so low and the bar set even lower. Do you play sports with people over 95 years old? I bet you're a real athlete and just thriving at that sport.
Yea, wait until they have to compete with the global world and they realize they are at the bottom. Yea, real morale booster to compare yourself to poor competition.
Good point, what do Chinese parents, schools or government do with kids who score 40% proficient in Chinese or math year after year?
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:35
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:curious how can people are for bussing which now given the climate changing? This means more committingAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is the timing on the Clarksburg/NW/Seneca Valley boundary study? I think this noise is going to keep up until that decision is made.
The potential work that will be done by the consultant is very different but likely will create issues/upset people as well. But I really think people need to consider those issues separately.
The BOE will vote in November 2019; reassignments will take effect with the 2020-2021 school year.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT BUSING. Well, except the Chicken Littles on DCUM.
In a way, you are right. It won't take true bussing across county to break up communities. At most, 20 min ride.
Folks, this complete lack of consideration for your children and property ia completely characteristic of the entitled worthless social justice warriors. What they want to do is legal. Once they frame the argument in terms of segregation and how property lines were drawn in the 1950s (who cares?), battle is over. Any objection like "personal responsibility" and "social order" break against a finely honed victimhood complex displayed by every one of those activists.
Running candidates who share your views and voting for them is one approach; moving is another.
We are not American and did not live here until the 2000s. Why should my children suffer because of some mortgage loan assignment value from over 70 years ago. Yeah, lenders didn't want to loan at low rates to poor neighborhoods. We all saw that enlightenment play out in 2008.
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:32
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:This is all so exhausting. I’m already living in the horrific dystopia you are imagining — a school with 50+% FARMS — and it’s FINE. Actually better than fine. My child is thriving. I bet none of you have any idea what % low-income your own high schools were. Since they started publishing the data it’s become a sick badge of honor to have no poor kids. People obsessed with that number are just fundamentally wrong. Wrong that it will affect their own UMC child negatively in any meaningful way, wrong that the sky is falling in general, and morally wrong.
How far away is the school from you house? in terms of minutes (rush hour) and miles.
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:30
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did they keep Blair safe back on the day? They had magnet school geeks going to school with gang members
I went to a school out in LA back in the 80s with real gangs. I survived, as did the entire student body. Some of us even took AP classes, and some ended up at pretty prestigious colleges. In HS, if your kid is "smart", they will be in AP/honors classes along with other high achieving peers and away from the "riff raff". They will be fine.
Tell that to the smart Hispanic or smart black child who is bullied and made fun of for even taking those classes. Bad influences are in full effect in middle and high school.
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:27
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?
Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?
Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%
Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.
-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.
How does each school suddenly add 100s of bussed-in poor students? How do they physically make room in already over-capacitated schools to fit more people in?
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:24
Subject: Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I am not questioning that.
I am just saying, it is fine that you care about performance. But if you want to raise one school's performance by sacrificing another school's, it would be quite natural that parents from the latter school would object. And I can't see how people can be so confident to say this is for a "public good".
The parents of the latter school are not part of the "public"?
Why are we talking about school performance? We're not educating schools. We're educating kids.
When we say "school performance", we mean "student performance" from that school.
Well, let's sub that in. "If you want to raise student performance at one school by sacrificing student performance at another school..." Are you ok with that? If you move some students at School A to School B, then students at School B will do better, and students at School A will do worse? Is that what you're saying? I thought that the whole point of this line of argument was that moving students from School A to School B actually would NOT make them do better?
I am saying if you move some low performing students from school B to school A, the average student performance at school A will be worse.
So would it not be natural for parents of School A to be opposing the change? Maybe some people don't care if kids around their kids do well or not as long as their kids do fine, but many parents do.
So actually, when you say "school performance", you don't mean "student performance from that school", you mean "average school test scores,"
Will your kid get lower test scores if your kid goes to a school with lower average school test scores? And, if so, then why wouldn't it work the other way - a kid will get higher test scores if the kid goes to a school with higher average school test scores?
Teachers are mandated by the district to teach to the lowest level of students of the class. Low performers are A teacher’s first priority. That is why if you spread our the low performers across all of the schools in the county they will overall get more instruction time.
yup and that's what society needs
will the higher performers be hurt somewhat yes but they will still be fine they are high performers already
but the alternative is areas that become ghettos and then society has to pay more when these lower performers become adults and have higher rates of unemployment crime require more social services etc
somewhere a communist is clapping and saying Bravo PP.
Anonymous
04/01/2019 23:15
Subject: Re:Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far what I've gathered is that this is for equity reasons and so that more kids will benefit from PTA funding provided by wealthier parents.
Perhaps the county should consider splitting up the PTA funds much like the way restaurants divvy up credit card tips. Combine them all in one big pot and then divide up the funds equally among all of the schools.
yeah, but the clubs and move them to outside of the public schools.
last time our 10% funds went to computers for Wheaton they all got stolen for parts. now we have to go in and help the school with our donations and good they buy.