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Anonymous wrote:Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

I think saying that the Rothschilds control the World Bank is anti-Semitic -- if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish. If you don't know that, it is no different than saying the Smiths control the World Bank and that is obviously not anti-Semitic.

White is a magna cum laude college graduate. C'mon, Steele....he knew what he was saying. It's just the $hit he's heard from Farrakhan, SO obvious! But if you insist on giving him the benefit of the doubt, all I ask is that you give a similar benefit of a doubt when someone makes a comment that at first glance appears to be racist. Deal?

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

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Anonymous wrote:Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

I think saying that the Rothschilds control the World Bank is anti-Semitic -- if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish. If you don't know that, it is no different than saying the Smiths control the World Bank and that is obviously not anti-Semitic.

White is a magna cum laude college graduate. C'mon, Steele....he knew what he was saying. It's just the $hit he's heard from Farrakhan, SO obvious! But if you insist on giving him the benefit of the doubt, all I ask is that you give a similar benefit of a doubt when someone makes a comment that at first glance appears to be racist. Deal?

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

I suggest that you hold off this discussion until the quotes are validated. The poster did not provide a source for the quotes and when I search for them, I only find really crazy sites. There is a lot of fake news being spread about Soros. Without a source, it is impossible to know if the quote is authentic.

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Anonymous wrote:Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

I think saying that the Rothschilds control the World Bank is anti-Semitic -- if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish. If you don't know that, it is no different than saying the Smiths control the World Bank and that is obviously not anti-Semitic.

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Anonymous wrote:Saying the rothschilds control the world bank isn't anti Semitic , walking out of the holocaust museum isn't a crime ( though I'm not sure why he went there to begin with ), donating money to Farrakhan if in violation of campaign finance laws should be met with the appropriate reprimand .

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I thought Sarah Palin was a symbol of everything wrong with the Republican national party in 2008, but I was still appalled at the sexism that characterized the attacks against her.

It is possible to both disagree with someone politically and recognize when they're right about prejudice...

That's what's happening here, in some instances. The Jews who are being raked over the coals for recognizing White's antisemtism and calling it like it is are being vilified because they are not going along with the liberals, and in this case it means to find ways to excuse or deny antisemitism among liberals. Now, if we were to bring up bigotry by conservatives, we'd be cheered on.

And they are being led on by the moderator. For shame!

Yes. Upthread, the moderator basically accused "certain posters on this thread" of supporting a hypothetical claim that George Soros controls the weather. So what he's doing is twisting around to give every benefit of the doubt to White, castigating any Jew who won't do the same, and then turning around and accusing them of the very thing - blaming someone else doe the weather - that White ACTUALLY did! It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

That was hyperbole. But, there are posters in this thread who stated that George Soros grew up in an anti-Semitic family, implying that Soros is himself anti-Semitic. Despite your claim to be deeply concerned about anti-Semitism, you have no interest in the constant anti-Semitism directed toward Soros and didn't blink an eye at the accusation that a Jew grew up in an anti-Semitic home (with his Jewish parents). You have repeated my hyperbolic claim several times as if I had meant it seriously, but couldn't once comment on the suggestion that George Soros is an anti-Semite. If you are worried about double standards, look in the mirror.

It was explained to you that while it is rare, it is not unheard of for Jews to be low-level anti-Semitic themselves. Soros himself admits that he came from an anti-Semitic home, and the other PP provided you with a quote. So why would I blink an eye? He himself admitted it. As to whether Soros himself is actually anti-Semitic, I couldn't say, as I am not particularly acquainted with his work. My guess would be he is not, but it's an interesting question. A research project for tomorrow.

I traced back the quote. The original quote said that Soros "wryly" said that he came from an anti-Semitic home. In other words, he was joking. Just like I was joking about Soros controlling the weather. It is really telling how you immediately accepted that George Soros authentically claimed to have been raised in an anti-Semitic home. You don't agree with Soros politically, so it is essentially open season on him.

The interpretation was that it was said 'wryly' - the interviewing author interpreted it as being said wryly. The quote I gave you was simply what Soros said, from his own mouth.

You didn't provide a source for your "quote". But if it came from the same interviewer who said that it was said "wryly", then you left out important context. Again, it is very telling that you so readily accept that Soros would seriously say such a thing. The man and his family escaped the Nazis. They witnessed first hand the horrors of anti-Semitism. Do you think that he would seriously call his own parents anti-Semites? It is so interesting how you so willingly passed on such a thing. No hesitation in throwing another Jew under the bus while claiming to be furious about anti-Semitism.

I did, actually. You simply didn't care to see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

Soros seems to be saying that the only way to get rid of Antisemtism is for ALL Jews to assimilate so they can't be recognized. That's pretty damn shitty, yes.

You sure love arguing with Jews, don't you? How about some condemnation for Trayon White, for his poor behavior? After all, he's the one who made a remark about the Rothschilds owning the World Bank, who associates with and donates to Farrakhan, who walks out of the Holocaust tour with a lie. But no, turn it around against Jews who have the audacity to object to that behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Disparaging Jews who choose to assimilate as assimilating into 'non existence' , how tolerant of you ?

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Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

PP here who was reserving judgment about Soros, due to lack of knowledge....

What does he mean by giving up tribalness? Give up the traditions and laws that keep the Jewish people in existence? If he thinks the only way to overcome antisemtism is to abandon that which makes us Jews, then yes....he would prefer to see Jews assimilate into non-.existence. That is crossing the line into an Antisemtic attitude.

Anonymous wrote:Soros quotes from an interview:

“I don’t deny the Jews their right to a national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it.”

“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given the culture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage, a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, to escape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had long ago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had a deep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” he said, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I am escaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing this universal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”


For a lot of Jews, this IS anti-Semitic behavior - disassociating yourself from Jewishness so anti-Semitism can't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I thought Sarah Palin was a symbol of everything wrong with the Republican national party in 2008, but I was still appalled at the sexism that characterized the attacks against her.

It is possible to both disagree with someone politically and recognize when they're right about prejudice...

That's what's happening here, in some instances. The Jews who are being raked over the coals for recognizing White's antisemtism and calling it like it is are being vilified because they are not going along with the liberals, and in this case it means to find ways to excuse or deny antisemitism among liberals. Now, if we were to bring up bigotry by conservatives, we'd be cheered on.

And they are being led on by the moderator. For shame!

Yes. Upthread, the moderator basically accused "certain posters on this thread" of supporting a hypothetical claim that George Soros controls the weather. So what he's doing is twisting around to give every benefit of the doubt to White, castigating any Jew who won't do the same, and then turning around and accusing them of the very thing - blaming someone else doe the weather - that White ACTUALLY did! It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

That was hyperbole. But, there are posters in this thread who stated that George Soros grew up in an anti-Semitic family, implying that Soros is himself anti-Semitic. Despite your claim to be deeply concerned about anti-Semitism, you have no interest in the constant anti-Semitism directed toward Soros and didn't blink an eye at the accusation that a Jew grew up in an anti-Semitic home (with his Jewish parents). You have repeated my hyperbolic claim several times as if I had meant it seriously, but couldn't once comment on the suggestion that George Soros is an anti-Semite. If you are worried about double standards, look in the mirror.

It was explained to you that while it is rare, it is not unheard of for Jews to be low-level anti-Semitic themselves. Soros himself admits that he came from an anti-Semitic home, and the other PP provided you with a quote. So why would I blink an eye? He himself admitted it. As to whether Soros himself is actually anti-Semitic, I couldn't say, as I am not particularly acquainted with his work. My guess would be he is not, but it's an interesting question. A research project for tomorrow.

DP somehow you've found a way to afford Soros the benefit of the doubt regarding his alleged antisemtism but that opportunity can't be extended to Mr White , who based on information we have about him so far let's us know he didn't grow up in a self described anti semtitic home . Nice move bro , nice move .

That's because I don't know enough about Soros to form an opinion. I have formed an opinion about Trayon White, given that I know much more about him. Bro.

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jsteele wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/no-reprimand-for-dc-lawmaker-who-donated-to-event-where-farrakhan-denounced-jews-council-chair-says/2018/04/23/46ad0ef4-4732-11e8-9072-f6d4bc32f223_story.html

The DC Council will not reprimand White:

"The D.C. Council will not reprimand member Trayon White (D-Ward 8), after he donated $500 from his constituent services fund to a Chicago event where Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan denounced Jews, Council Chairman Phil Mendelson (D) said Monday."
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"Both Cheh and Evans dialed back their calls for action. Cheh said the council needs to make 'some kind of statement' condemning anti-Semitism and disavowing White’s financial support for Farrakhan, but wouldn’t commit to formal action. Evans said he no longer supports punishment after speaking with White for a half hour on Sunday."

"We need to kind of ratchet down the rhetoric, and all parties involved need to understand each other and really increase the dialogue going forward," Evans said.

So, I guess now Evan's is also an anti-Semite since he has the same position as me.

Wow, I'm kind of surprised to read this. Unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time before White reveals more and more of his inner thoughts and beliefs and it won't be pretty.

It's like someone wanted a certain outcome that didn't pan out and now we're openly wishing and praying for anti Semitism to manifest itself in a certain individual . You sound troubled bro, give it a rest.

And there's the double standard that the other poster also alluded to. NO....we aren't praying for anti-Semitism, you idiot! We just don't want a higher acceptance of it when it occurs, where the perpetrator is given every benefit of the doubt, simply because the prejudicial attitude or behavior goes against Jews.

Also, when you say "I" sound like a trouble individual, what makes you think you know who you're talking to. The PP you replied to is someone else, who evidently share my opinion. There is more than one of is - at least three, judging from the writing style - echoing the same sentiments.

Name calling , the hallmark of people with subzero IQs, have at it .

When someone has the gall to accuse a Jew of praying for anti-Semitism, "idiot" is being kind.

For what it's worth your bitterness and name calling is entertaining . You did indeed pray that Mr White reveals himself to be the anti Semite that you're so moronically want him to be . This level of desperation is sad and embarrassingly pathetic . Grow a pair .

Praying that an Antisemite reveals himself and praying for Antisemtism are two different things. A "secret" antisemite can do a lot of damage. Grow a brain.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I thought Sarah Palin was a symbol of everything wrong with the Republican national party in 2008, but I was still appalled at the sexism that characterized the attacks against her.

It is possible to both disagree with someone politically and recognize when they're right about prejudice...

That's what's happening here, in some instances. The Jews who are being raked over the coals for recognizing White's antisemtism and calling it like it is are being vilified because they are not going along with the liberals, and in this case it means to find ways to excuse or deny antisemitism among liberals. Now, if we were to bring up bigotry by conservatives, we'd be cheered on.

And they are being led on by the moderator. For shame!

Yes. Upthread, the moderator basically accused "certain posters on this thread" of supporting a hypothetical claim that George Soros controls the weather. So what he's doing is twisting around to give every benefit of the doubt to White, castigating any Jew who won't do the same, and then turning around and accusing them of the very thing - blaming someone else doe the weather - that White ACTUALLY did! It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

That was hyperbole. But, there are posters in this thread who stated that George Soros grew up in an anti-Semitic family, implying that Soros is himself anti-Semitic. Despite your claim to be deeply concerned about anti-Semitism, you have no interest in the constant anti-Semitism directed toward Soros and didn't blink an eye at the accusation that a Jew grew up in an anti-Semitic home (with his Jewish parents). You have repeated my hyperbolic claim several times as if I had meant it seriously, but couldn't once comment on the suggestion that George Soros is an anti-Semite. If you are worried about double standards, look in the mirror.

It was explained to you that while it is rare, it is not unheard of for Jews to be low-level anti-Semitic themselves. Soros himself admits that he came from an anti-Semitic home, and the other PP provided you with a quote. So why would I blink an eye? He himself admitted it. As to whether Soros himself is actually anti-Semitic, I couldn't say, as I am not particularly acquainted with his work. My guess would be he is not, but it's an interesting question. A research project for tomorrow.

DP somehow you've found a way to afford Soros the benefit of the doubt regarding his alleged antisemtism but that opportunity can't be extended to Mr White , who based on information we have about him so far let's us know he didn't grow up in a self described anti semtitic home . Nice move bro , nice move .