Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 23:27     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:When they mean "women" do they mean white/black women in this context?

Because I know a lot of Indian and Chinese women in technology on the tech side. Ibm, ebay, oracle, etc.



I don't know a single Indian woman that is good with software development. Indians women are focused on family and work the 35 hour job. Very risk averse. Hours 10:00 to 4:00. Every assignment has a big risk of not getting done right and/or on time. I know a couple Chinese women that are very good. Very different cultures.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 22:31     Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women are more emotional and people oriented
Men are more factual and data oriented

Any Biology 101 student can tell you that

Certain personality types are more common among male than females

ISTJ for example the "engineer" personality is almost 300% more likely in males than females

I just love this. "Women are more emotional" says the sex that carries out the vast majority of violent crimes. But I guess that's the privilege of being the dominant group -- you get to set the definitions and the language.

I also love using data from one sexist system (medicine and social science) to back up another sexist system.

why are you suggesting that violent crimes have something to do with emotions?

Not PP, but most violent criminals aren't sociopaths who commit crimes for amusement. Most violent criminals are acting out of some emotion, usually anger, fear, or pain/betrayal.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 22:16     Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women are more emotional and people oriented
Men are more factual and data oriented

Any Biology 101 student can tell you that

Certain personality types are more common among male than females

ISTJ for example the "engineer" personality is almost 300% more likely in males than females


I just love this. "Women are more emotional" says the sex that carries out the vast majority of violent crimes. But I guess that's the privilege of being the dominant group -- you get to set the definitions and the language.

I also love using data from one sexist system (medicine and social science) to back up another sexist system.



why are you suggesting that violent crimes have something to do with emotions?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 19:31     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
When they mean "women" do they mean white/black women in this context?

Because I know a lot of Indian and Chinese women in technology on the tech side. Ibm, ebay, oracle, etc.

Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 19:03     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Nobody is saying men and women aren't different. We're saying it is doubtful it's a big factor and certainly not as big as implicit bias and sexism. If we left it up to white men to invite us to the table, we would never be invited ... not because we don't add value but because like defaults to like.


That surely explains the presence of Asians in technology.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 18:51     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Nobody is saying men and women aren't different. We're saying it is doubtful it's a big factor and certainly not as big as implicit bias and sexism. If we left it up to white men to invite us to the table, we would never be invited ... not because we don't add value but because like defaults to like.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 15:18     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well if nothing else, this stinking cesspool of a thread, along with the other one on the Google memo, show that blacks and feminists still need to stick together for many purposes, intersectionality critiques and all.


Sorry I meant this thread and the Harvard 2020 thread.


aw sorry they should have trigger warnings

Look all you idiots for the last f time

Asians> Whites > Hispanics > Blacks

men and women are different

quotas Affirmative Action and diversity are politically correct bs that cause increased resentment and hostility and make people rightly view females and URM as not belonging in a situation end them and respect will increase across the board

of course there are going to be exceptions to all of the above but all of these can be proven and have been proven.

END THREAD



Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 15:13     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Megan McArdle's excellent article on the whole situation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-09/as-a-woman-in-tech-i-realized-these-are-not-my-people

"No, the reason I left is that I came into work one Monday morning and joined the guys at our work table, and one of them said “What did you do this weekend?”

I was in the throes of a brief, doomed romance. I had attended a concert that Saturday night. I answered the question with an account of both. The guys stared blankly. Then silence. Then one of them said: “I built a fiber-channel network in my basement,” and our co-workers fell all over themselves asking him to describe every step in loving detail.

At that moment I realized that fundamentally, these are not my people. I liked the work. But I was never going to like it enough to blow a weekend doing more of it for free. Which meant that I was never going to be as good at that job as the guys around me."

"These preferences show up across cultures, and indeed, the less sexist a society is overall, the more you seem to see women splitting off into fields that emphasize people, and words, and caring. '

In rich countries, women are not going to want to do boring jobs.

they want to do fun jobs taht still pay decently.


Again, there is a difference between 1) it's true that we are probably unlikely as a society to get to 50/50 representation of men and women in all fields, and 2) we as a society should expect that individual women that DO want to do these jobs should not be pre-emptively excluded. It follows that in fields that are dominated by men, it will likely require formal efforts to ensure that the cumulative effects of conscious and unconscious biases are not keeping them out.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 15:11     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Well if nothing else, this stinking cesspool of a thread, along with the other one on the Google memo, show that blacks and feminists still need to stick together for many purposes, intersectionality critiques and all.


Sorry I meant this thread and the Harvard 2020 thread.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 15:07     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Well if nothing else, this stinking cesspool of a thread, along with the other one on the Google memo, show that blacks and feminists still need to stick together for many purposes, intersectionality critiques and all.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 15:04     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Megan McArdle's excellent article on the whole situation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-09/as-a-woman-in-tech-i-realized-these-are-not-my-people

"No, the reason I left is that I came into work one Monday morning and joined the guys at our work table, and one of them said “What did you do this weekend?”

I was in the throes of a brief, doomed romance. I had attended a concert that Saturday night. I answered the question with an account of both. The guys stared blankly. Then silence. Then one of them said: “I built a fiber-channel network in my basement,” and our co-workers fell all over themselves asking him to describe every step in loving detail.

At that moment I realized that fundamentally, these are not my people. I liked the work. But I was never going to like it enough to blow a weekend doing more of it for free. Which meant that I was never going to be as good at that job as the guys around me."

"These preferences show up across cultures, and indeed, the less sexist a society is overall, the more you seem to see women splitting off into fields that emphasize people, and words, and caring. '

In rich countries, women are not going to want to do boring jobs.

they want to do fun jobs taht still pay decently.


Megan McCardle is a dumbshit too.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 14:39     Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Women are more emotional and people oriented
Men are more factual and data oriented

Any Biology 101 student can tell you that

Certain personality types are more common among male than females

ISTJ for example the "engineer" personality is almost 300% more likely in males than females


Just because it is rare doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am a female INTJ and work in tech. Am I supposed to be discriminated against because of it? Also do we really believe in the MB test? Did you get your colors done too? Let me guess you're an Autumn?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 14:34     Subject: Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Megan McArdle's excellent article on the whole situation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-09/as-a-woman-in-tech-i-realized-these-are-not-my-people

"No, the reason I left is that I came into work one Monday morning and joined the guys at our work table, and one of them said “What did you do this weekend?”

I was in the throes of a brief, doomed romance. I had attended a concert that Saturday night. I answered the question with an account of both. The guys stared blankly. Then silence. Then one of them said: “I built a fiber-channel network in my basement,” and our co-workers fell all over themselves asking him to describe every step in loving detail.

At that moment I realized that fundamentally, these are not my people. I liked the work. But I was never going to like it enough to blow a weekend doing more of it for free. Which meant that I was never going to be as good at that job as the guys around me."

"These preferences show up across cultures, and indeed, the less sexist a society is overall, the more you seem to see women splitting off into fields that emphasize people, and words, and caring. '

In rich countries, women are not going to want to do boring jobs.

they want to do fun jobs taht still pay decently.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 14:33     Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women are more emotional and people oriented
Men are more factual and data oriented

Any Biology 101 student can tell you that

Certain personality types are more common among male than females

ISTJ for example the "engineer" personality is almost 300% more likely in males than females


I just love this. "Women are more emotional" says the sex that carries out the vast majority of violent crimes. But I guess that's the privilege of being the dominant group -- you get to set the definitions and the language.

I also love using data from one sexist system (medicine and social science) to back up another sexist system.



Exactly. 65% of psychiatrists are men. And they diagnose women more often than men as being "neurotic." Hmmmmmm......
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2017 14:24     Subject: Re:Google male engineeer saying female engineers shouldn't be engineers
Anonymous wrote:Women are more emotional and people oriented
Men are more factual and data oriented

Any Biology 101 student can tell you that

Certain personality types are more common among male than females

ISTJ for example the "engineer" personality is almost 300% more likely in males than females


I just love this. "Women are more emotional" says the sex that carries out the vast majority of violent crimes. But I guess that's the privilege of being the dominant group -- you get to set the definitions and the language.

I also love using data from one sexist system (medicine and social science) to back up another sexist system.