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Anonymous wrote:Ok, thanks for clarifying that, pp. However, I think you're being a little unfair to the younger folks. While there are good deals to be had, generally theater tickets are pretty expensive. For example, there's a new play I want to see at Arena but the Goldstar deal is $65. A lot better than the full price of $100 but for an entirely new untested play?

And yeah I know there are plenty of companies where the tickets are cheaper so maybe we should see more young people at the theater. But then again, age is not necessarily an indicator of whether you're a transplant or a native. As I noted unthread, I'm a transplant but my kid is a native - but I'm a member of that geriatric set you're seeing at the theater.

True, and a lot of that was tongue in cheek. But Studio has under-30 deals, the Shakespeare has "pay what you can" shows and I've seen Wooly Mammoth on living social.

Not everyone cares about theater, either, but I scoff at the suggestion that my peers are such big supporters of the arts when I see them drop more than the cost of a ticket on a bar tab. Of course, they're so educated and open-minded, but all those natives (not to mention the people in va and md, oh the horror) are just dumb fossils.

Many of those "people in va and md" are native Washingtonians.
Some for several generations.

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Anonymous wrote:Transplants are nothing but a bunch government leechers who relocated/moved here for the sole purpose of leeching off of the local economy.

That's the spirit! Way to be grateful to people who revived your piss poor region. Because we all need to live in outhouses, like you do? Really? Tell me more.

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I have a legitimate question, or questions: Why do the natives hold onto the past? What good do they think it serves? What are their current day issues they are clearly trying to avoid (instead of address)?

I am curious, as it seems a very compelling and very toxic epidemic.

It's not just "natives" here in DC or anywhere else (sick of hearing NYers and Los Angelenos complain about the supposed "decline" of their cities as well), it's the whole culture of fetishizing of anything old that is really bizarre to me. It's like people no longer want to move forward, they don't want to live in the present and create their own cultural legacies when it comes to fashion, architecture, interior design or anything else.

Has it ever occurred to you that since there are so many natives complaining "about the supposed "decline" of their cities" that there actually may be some legitimacy to their complaints?

Yes. And that is life. The DC the natives grew up in wasn't the same DC that has existed throughout its history, completely unchanged. As fond as I am of LA, it isn't the same LA my Grandmother lived in while in her prime, because all great cities change and evolve. Get over yourselves. You had your time, it was great, you have fond memories of that time, and now it's the new generation's opportunity to put their stamp on the city. That goes for natives AND newcomers.

CVS, Starbucks, Whole Foods, Panera, Cupcakes, WalMart, Target, Best Buy etc.. etc... etc...

30-40 year olds snowball fighting, pillow fighting, playing kickball.

Thats what you consider evolving?

Thats not a stamp.
Looks more like a turd to me.

You must be a millennial.

I mean, people want their Whole Foods and CVS easily accessible, what are you gonna do? I will give you the Targets and Walmarts though, they definitely signal a slight decline in the feel of a neighborhood, but again, it's just a sign of the times and how people prefer to shop now. As long as you still have unique stores, shops, coffee shops and restaurants, communities will survive big businesses moving in.

Pillow fighting? I have no idea what you're talking about. And no, I'm not a millennial, I'm 37 years old. But really, you sound like a crotchety, cane wielding ass when you use "millennial" pejoratively. Knock it off.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, thanks for clarifying that, pp. However, I think you're being a little unfair to the younger folks. While there are good deals to be had, generally theater tickets are pretty expensive. For example, there's a new play I want to see at Arena but the Goldstar deal is $65. A lot better than the full price of $100 but for an entirely new untested play?

And yeah I know there are plenty of companies where the tickets are cheaper so maybe we should see more young people at the theater. But then again, age is not necessarily an indicator of whether you're a transplant or a native. As I noted unthread, I'm a transplant but my kid is a native - but I'm a member of that geriatric set you're seeing at the theater.

True, and a lot of that was tongue in cheek. But Studio has under-30 deals, the Shakespeare has "pay what you can" shows and I've seen Wooly Mammoth on living social.

Not everyone cares about theater, either, but I scoff at the suggestion that my peers are such big supporters of the arts when I see them drop more than the cost of a ticket on a bar tab. Of course, they're so educated and open-minded, but all those natives (not to mention the people in va and md, oh the horror) are just dumb fossils.

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Anonymous wrote:I am white, born on a military base and I arrived in DC soon after my birth.

I am a transplant but have lived all over the area since I was an infant.

Yes I have traveled extensively especially after high school.

I think the recent wave of mostly white transplants to the DC area some of the lamest people I have ever come across in my entire life.

I totally agree. I think that's the problem most natives have with the transplants. Cities like Los Angeles and Portland attract interesting, dynamic, creative, free thinking individuals. DC just attracts the most white-bread, policy wonk types. My dad always calls them the "milk monitor" types.

And this was fine when transplants were trickling in. But now they are arriving in droves and turning DC into the most dull, lame place.

I know we've discussed this already but the theater scene here is far from boring. You may not like the policy wonk types but there's a lot of cool stuff happening in theater -- to which the policy wonks (like me) go.

Policy wonk types SUCK.

Oh you've absolutely slayed me with your incisive commentary! LOL!

I currently speak 5 languages.

What about you?

Seriously? If you're the person who thought I'd be insulted by the comment "Policy wonk types SUCK," I'm even more amused that you're following up by announcing how many languages you speak. That's pretty funny - and completely irrelevant. But good for a grin. If you're someone else, I'm not sure why you're posting this but whatever! And if you're a troll, well, you have to try harder if you want people to get pissed at you.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, thanks for clarifying that, pp. However, I think you're being a little unfair to the younger folks. While there are good deals to be had, generally theater tickets are pretty expensive. For example, there's a new play I want to see at Arena but the Goldstar deal is $65. A lot better than the full price of $100 but for an entirely new untested play?

And yeah I know there are plenty of companies where the tickets are cheaper so maybe we should see more young people at the theater. But then again, age is not necessarily an indicator of whether you're a transplant or a native. As I noted unthread, I'm a transplant but my kid is a native - but I'm a member of that geriatric set you're seeing at the theater.

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1988 Oct 13 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 17 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 18 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 19 Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson 3 nights in a row?

Are you kidding me?

I'm not even a Michael Jackson fan and I would so go see him over any U Street or H Street venue performer.

I went to the 1980 Bruce Springsteen concert and the 1984 Prince concert. The MJ concerts turned DC upside down - I was in college at that point but remember my younger brother talking about this with glee. There are a whole group of DC natives who remember that week fondly.

That list of concerts is amazing actually!!

It is, except it is from the internet.

What's the point here? That in the 1970's and 1980's there were lots of great 70's and 80's bands playing in DC? Are you somehow under the impression that there aren't lots of great 201X bands playing in DC now? There are. You all sound like a bunch of losers that are living in the past.

You think there are too many chain stores because that is all you ever go to. You think that all the cool neighborhoods are gone because you are too old and lame to go the new cool neighborhoods.

All you old DC natives sound pathetic. Stop living in the past.

^ Says the transplant who is not old enough to remember anything before the year 2000 so he/she has to resort to calling people old.

Look, we already had a transplant on here admit that DC is not as interesting as it used to be.
Everyone with common sense already knows this.
Everyone except for you of course.

Stop buying into all of the hype.

I'm plenty old enough to remember well before they year 2000, thank you very much.

And if you are wandering around insisting that there is no interesting people, places, or things to do in this city - today - then you are the problem. You are lame and stuck in the past. Look in the mirror to find why you are so bored - don't blame new people moving into our city.

Well it's obvious your memories before the year 2000 do not go further back than the mighty morphin power rangers or the teenage mutant ninja turtles because anyone old enough to have participated in adult activities pre 1995 can sympathize with how DC in it's current incarnation is boring and stale when compared to previous eras.

Since you are old enough to remember well before the year 2000 lets discuss some DC area sports so I can determine exactly just how far you go back.

Are you old enough to remember when the Hoyas were in the NCAA basketball championship game for 3 years out of a 4-year span?
Are you old enough to remember when the Bullets had the No. 1 winning percentage in the entire NBA for a decade?
Are you old enough to remember when the Redskins were winning Super Bowls?

Nobody is saying there is "no interesting people, places, or things to do in this city today" they are simply saying the present incarnation of DC is seriously over rated.

Why is it seriously over rated?
So more upscale condos can be sold to unsuspecting, gentrifying urban wannabes.

You cannot accept this because you have been brainwashed to believe all of the gentrification hype.

As soon as someone disagrees with you then suddenly they are "bored, lame and stuck in the past"

I can sit here all night and exchange insults with you but instead of doing that I will just offer you some advice instead.

My advice to you is expand your horizons and do some research so you can understand why so many natives feel the "new people moving into our city" are ruining it beyond repair.

You insist that DC was a utopian wonderland in the 70's and 80's, but the best examples you can come with basically boil down to "the sports teams were pretty good."?

That is lame and pathetic.

Look, I get it natives, like all of us, you have fond memories of the city you grew up in. We always look back on our youth that way. But it is sad if all you can do is wallow in the past and complain about the present. I know plenty of DC natives who loved it then, and love the city now. If you got out more maybe you would do the same.

Sorry dear. It's not an age issue, although I would love to know how old you are, because I'm certain I'm younger.

It's a particular change that has happened in DC.

I "get out" all the time in DC and it doesn't make me feel any better about those changes- in fact it makes me feel worse, sad for the generic sameness that has replaced the once cool city.

That's because you don't get out to today's cool places. You are probably too scared to go these places or your wife won't let you or you have to go to the 1982 Redskins Fan Club meeting or something.

Bahaha.

Again, I'm certain I'm younger than you, and also that I go to cooler places.

Trust me, I go to all the hotspots.

What you don't seem to understand is your version of "cool" isn't other natives'. Like many transplants, you're easily impressed.

I'm sure DC has a lot of cafes and bars that would be considered the epitome of hip in your little small town. But natives grew up here. We dont have the same standards.

+100

The next time some poster on DCUM crows about how 9:30 Club was named one of the best venues in the country (yes, this comes up once a month), I'm going to barf. It's a fine place to see a show and all, but it's not rewriting the damn book on live music and the door crew are Gestapos. And it was here long before you, you weren't the first to discover it, Ms. Pennsyltucky going to see St. Vincent -- I see you.

And don't talk to me about Meketto or some other "so great" establishment. Wow, take a couple types of Asian cuisine and add in overpriced skate fashion. You could get that in NYC 20 years ago at Supreme and then walk less than a mile to Chinatown where they wouldn't charge you $30 an entree.

Union Market? Way to take what is normally meant to serve a community and turn it into a yuppie nightmare. Look at the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia or even any of the borderline drug den markets in Baltimore for lessons. There's always Eastern Market but then you have to go to Capitol Hill and god knows that Emmett the lumberjack-bearded artisanal pickle-maker just can't abide riding his bike over there anymore from Brookland, because there is now so.much.bike.traffic. since the influx of these "gentrifiers" who don't know shit about urban bike-riding -- after all Emmett has been here since 2011, goddamit.

And don't all front on here like you're all soooo interested in the damn arts. I had a subscription to the Studio Theater, the Folger, and the Shakespeare for a few years and 85% of the patrons at every show, whether it was a matinee or an evening performance, were positively geriatric. It was pathetic. Do you know how sad it is to go to the Tarell Alvin McCraney trilogy and see nothing but old docents in the audience? At least they give a shit! Even the crowds at Woolly Mammoth were old as hell. I guess everyone is at SoulCycle or Instagramming whatever bullshit meal of the week (weak) they're eating.

It's not about being unable to let go. It's about turning DC into dry toast. Yes, that toast is served with a side of improvement, but at what cost?

Yeah, those old people, they're just the kiss of death! Ha ha! I will never go to anything that old people go to. It can't possibly be any good!

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Anonymous wrote:Another native vs. transplant test:
Transplants call it WaPo. Natives call it the Post.

Disagree. I use both interchangeably. Multi-generation Washingtonian, and immediate family member of a former Post writer.
It might be an age thing, I'm in my 30s.

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1988 Oct 13 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 17 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 18 Michael Jackson
1988 Oct 19 Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson 3 nights in a row?

Are you kidding me?

I'm not even a Michael Jackson fan and I would so go see him over any U Street or H Street venue performer.

I went to the 1980 Bruce Springsteen concert and the 1984 Prince concert. The MJ concerts turned DC upside down - I was in college at that point but remember my younger brother talking about this with glee. There are a whole group of DC natives who remember that week fondly.

That list of concerts is amazing actually!!

It is, except it is from the internet.

What's the point here? That in the 1970's and 1980's there were lots of great 70's and 80's bands playing in DC? Are you somehow under the impression that there aren't lots of great 201X bands playing in DC now? There are. You all sound like a bunch of losers that are living in the past.

You think there are too many chain stores because that is all you ever go to. You think that all the cool neighborhoods are gone because you are too old and lame to go the new cool neighborhoods.

All you old DC natives sound pathetic. Stop living in the past.

^ Says the transplant who is not old enough to remember anything before the year 2000 so he/she has to resort to calling people old.

Look, we already had a transplant on here admit that DC is not as interesting as it used to be.
Everyone with common sense already knows this.
Everyone except for you of course.

Stop buying into all of the hype.

I'm plenty old enough to remember well before they year 2000, thank you very much.

And if you are wandering around insisting that there is no interesting people, places, or things to do in this city - today - then you are the problem. You are lame and stuck in the past. Look in the mirror to find why you are so bored - don't blame new people moving into our city.

Well it's obvious your memories before the year 2000 do not go further back than the mighty morphin power rangers or the teenage mutant ninja turtles because anyone old enough to have participated in adult activities pre 1995 can sympathize with how DC in it's current incarnation is boring and stale when compared to previous eras.

Since you are old enough to remember well before the year 2000 lets discuss some DC area sports so I can determine exactly just how far you go back.

Are you old enough to remember when the Hoyas were in the NCAA basketball championship game for 3 years out of a 4-year span?
Are you old enough to remember when the Bullets had the No. 1 winning percentage in the entire NBA for a decade?
Are you old enough to remember when the Redskins were winning Super Bowls?

Nobody is saying there is "no interesting people, places, or things to do in this city today" they are simply saying the present incarnation of DC is seriously over rated.

Why is it seriously over rated?
So more upscale condos can be sold to unsuspecting, gentrifying urban wannabes.

You cannot accept this because you have been brainwashed to believe all of the gentrification hype.

As soon as someone disagrees with you then suddenly they are "bored, lame and stuck in the past"

I can sit here all night and exchange insults with you but instead of doing that I will just offer you some advice instead.

My advice to you is expand your horizons and do some research so you can understand why so many natives feel the "new people moving into our city" are ruining it beyond repair.

You insist that DC was a utopian wonderland in the 70's and 80's, but the best examples you can come with basically boil down to "the sports teams were pretty good."?

That is lame and pathetic.

Look, I get it natives, like all of us, you have fond memories of the city you grew up in. We always look back on our youth that way. But it is sad if all you can do is wallow in the past and complain about the present. I know plenty of DC natives who loved it then, and love the city now. If you got out more maybe you would do the same.

Sorry dear. It's not an age issue, although I would love to know how old you are, because I'm certain I'm younger.

It's a particular change that has happened in DC.

I "get out" all the time in DC and it doesn't make me feel any better about those changes- in fact it makes me feel worse, sad for the generic sameness that has replaced the once cool city.

That's because you don't get out to today's cool places. You are probably too scared to go these places or your wife won't let you or you have to go to the 1982 Redskins Fan Club meeting or something.

Bahaha.

Again, I'm certain I'm younger than you, and also that I go to cooler places.

Trust me, I go to all the hotspots.

What you don't seem to understand is your version of "cool" isn't other natives'. Like many transplants, you're easily impressed.

I'm sure DC has a lot of cafes and bars that would be considered the epitome of hip in your little small town. But natives grew up here. We dont have the same standards.

+100

The next time some poster on DCUM crows about how 9:30 Club was named one of the best venues in the country (yes, this comes up once a month), I'm going to barf. It's a fine place to see a show and all, but it's not rewriting the damn book on live music and the door crew are Gestapos. And it was here long before you, you weren't the first to discover it, Ms. Pennsyltucky going to see St. Vincent -- I see you.

And don't talk to me about Meketto or some other "so great" establishment. Wow, take a couple types of Asian cuisine and add in overpriced skate fashion. You could get that in NYC 20 years ago at Supreme and then walk less than a mile to Chinatown where they wouldn't charge you $30 an entree.

Union Market? Way to take what is normally meant to serve a community and turn it into a yuppie nightmare. Look at the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia or even any of the borderline drug den markets in Baltimore for lessons. There's always Eastern Market but then you have to go to Capitol Hill and god knows that Emmett the lumberjack-bearded artisanal pickle-maker just can't abide riding his bike over there anymore from Brookland, because there is now so.much.bike.traffic. since the influx of these "gentrifiers" who don't know shit about urban bike-riding -- after all Emmett has been here since 2011, goddamit.

And don't all front on here like you're all soooo interested in the damn arts. I had a subscription to the Studio Theater, the Folger, and the Shakespeare for a few years and 85% of the patrons at every show, whether it was a matinee or an evening performance, were positively geriatric. It was pathetic. Do you know how sad it is to go to the Tarell Alvin McCraney trilogy and see nothing but old docents in the audience? At least they give a shit! Even the crowds at Woolly Mammoth were old as hell. I guess everyone is at SoulCycle or Instagramming whatever bullshit meal of the week (weak) they're eating.

It's not about being unable to let go. It's about turning DC into dry toast. Yes, that toast is served with a side of improvement, but at what cost?

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I have a legitimate question, or questions: Why do the natives hold onto the past? What good do they think it serves? What are their current day issues they are clearly trying to avoid (instead of address)?

I am curious, as it seems a very compelling and very toxic epidemic.

It's not just "natives" here in DC or anywhere else (sick of hearing NYers and Los Angelenos complain about the supposed "decline" of their cities as well), it's the whole culture of fetishizing of anything old that is really bizarre to me. It's like people no longer want to move forward, they don't want to live in the present and create their own cultural legacies when it comes to fashion, architecture, interior design or anything else.

Have you seen some of the recent architecture in DC?

IT SUCKS!!!!!

lol

That's hilarious!

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I have a legitimate question, or questions: Why do the natives hold onto the past? What good do they think it serves? What are their current day issues they are clearly trying to avoid (instead of address)?

I am curious, as it seems a very compelling and very toxic epidemic.

It's not just "natives" here in DC or anywhere else (sick of hearing NYers and Los Angelenos complain about the supposed "decline" of their cities as well), it's the whole culture of fetishizing of anything old that is really bizarre to me. It's like people no longer want to move forward, they don't want to live in the present and create their own cultural legacies when it comes to fashion, architecture, interior design or anything else.

Has it ever occurred to you that since there are so many natives complaining "about the supposed "decline" of their cities" that there actually may be some legitimacy to their complaints?

Tremendous insight there.

Has it ever occurred to you that PG may be a terrific fit for your smartness?

Already lived in PG.
Been there done that.

I can see you think being in DC makes you more cultured but it really does not.
Especially DC in it's current incarnation.

You and your ilk have transformed DC from being urban and have turned it into the same disgusting, generic, suburban wasteland that you were trying to avoid by coming to DC in the first place.

Congrats.

Why did you come back? It seems we all lose, including yourself -- unless you are a professional whiner.

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I have a legitimate question, or questions: Why do the natives hold onto the past? What good do they think it serves? What are their current day issues they are clearly trying to avoid (instead of address)?

I am curious, as it seems a very compelling and very toxic epidemic.

It's not just "natives" here in DC or anywhere else (sick of hearing NYers and Los Angelenos complain about the supposed "decline" of their cities as well), it's the whole culture of fetishizing of anything old that is really bizarre to me. It's like people no longer want to move forward, they don't want to live in the present and create their own cultural legacies when it comes to fashion, architecture, interior design or anything else.

Has it ever occurred to you that since there are so many natives complaining "about the supposed "decline" of their cities" that there actually may be some legitimacy to their complaints?

Tremendous insight there.

Has it ever occurred to you that PG may be a terrific fit for your smartness?

Already lived in PG.
Been there done that.

I can see you think being in DC makes you more cultured but it really does not.
Especially DC in it's current incarnation.

You and your ilk have transformed DC from being urban and have turned it into the same disgusting, generic, suburban wasteland that you were trying to avoid by coming to DC in the first place.

Congrats.