Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:29
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
Anonymous wrote:^^^^ are you off your meds again?!!?[/quote
Say something intelligent for a change.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:28
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
Astounding.
There were a few men killed looking for Bergdahl. That has not been debated. Men in those units came forward and said out of the six reported, three were not a result. That was good of these soldiers, and it seems liberals here are willing to take the at their word, as I've read
The men in Bergdahll's unit came forward and stated that he went AWOL. They were there, they knew him, and they expected it based on his prior questions to fellow soldiers. This bit of information, liberals here are not willing to consider factual. Not surprising.
Rice came forward saying Bergdahl served honorably. Obama and those in his administration did not expect these soldiers to talk, let alone to conservative media. They clearly do not understand that a good soldier would not allow the families of those killed in action to live on not knowing the truth. Bad miscalculation on the administration's part. Bad.
The Taliban had no reason not to behead him, unless they were getting something from holding him. He was reportedly allowed to carry a gun with them, and shot with them. If you don't think that's unusual, I would advise you to speak to men who were there.
There were a few men killed looking for Bergdahl. That has not been debated. Men in those units came forward and said out of the six reported, three were not a result. That was good of these soldiers, and it seems liberals here are willing to take the at their word, as I've read
The men in Bergdahll's unit came forward and stated that he went AWOL. They were there, they knew him, and they expected it based on his prior questions to fellow soldiers. This bit of information, liberals here are not willing to consider factual. Not surprising.
Rice came forward saying Bergdahl served honorably. Obama and those in his administration did not expect these soldiers to talk, let alone to conservative media. They clearly do not understand that a good soldier would not allow the families of those killed in action to live on not knowing the truth. Bad miscalculation on the administration's part. Bad.
The Taliban had no reason not to behead him, unless they were getting something from holding him. He was reportedly allowed to carry a gun with them, and shot with them. If you don't think that's unusual, I would advise you to speak to men who were there.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:12
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets on this issue? Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets who have been complainiing for the past forty years that no one appreciated them and no one gave them a ticker-tape parade when they returned home from Nam? There is a soldier who is being returned home right now from five years in captivity as a POW and he's being dragged through the mud. You belly a ached about not getting a parade and you ride your motorcycles around the beltway celebrating "Rolling Thunder" and bemoaning the POWs we left behind, but you don't have the balls to stand up in defense of Sgt. Bergdahl.
You really don't get it. Most Vietnam vets appreciate watching out for your fellow soldier. Bergdahl walked away and put his platoon in danger.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:09
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
We sent him there and it was our responsibly to get him back. If there are some charges pending against him then go through due process. War is hell and people get confused, but you don't write them off over allegations.
Who knows, maybe John McCain violated some flying protocols. Maybe he flew too low or too high, or off course. No one ever said we should consider his service record before we negotiate his release.
He was released and then South Vietnam fell to the Communists. If for some reason we ever need to go back there and fight again we will. That's the way it works.
If those five Taliban soldiers go back and wage war against the US again we may again need to go to war in Afganistan again. That's just the way it works.
There has not been an external attack on the US since 911 and these five members of the Taliban are not going to personally change that fact.
Instead of trying to swift boat good men who served their country you should be asking why Dick Cheney and his entire generation of Republican politicians were able to be draft dodgers and avoid military service in Vietnam.
What bunch of f-king cowards and now they have the balls to criticize this returning home POW.
Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets on this issue? Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets who have been complainiing for the past forty years that no one appreciated them and no one gave them a ticker-tape parade when they returned home from Nam? There is a soldier who is being returned home right now from five years in captivity as a POW and he's being dragged through the mud. You belly a ached about not getting a parade and you ride your motorcycles around the beltway celebrating "Rolling Thunder" and bemoaning the POWs we left behind, but you don't have the balls to stand up in defense of Sgt. Bergdahl.
Take those POW flags off your motorcycles and your jackets. You a just as bad as the money grubbing politicians and arms suppliers who sent you to Nam in the first place. You were just part of the plan then and you are still just part of the game today.
Go to your American Legion and VFW Posts. Watch Fox News, complain about how you got screwed and help drag Sgt. Bergdahl through the mud!
You f-king Americans make me sick!
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Your last line reveals a lot. You are not an American.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:07
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
PBS video on his disillusionment with the US military:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/look-bergdahls-growing-disillusionment-soldier-afghanistan/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/look-bergdahls-growing-disillusionment-soldier-afghanistan/
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:06
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
^^^^ are you off your meds again?!!?
Anonymous
06/06/2014 14:05
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
Has this article been posted yet? Looks like one of the men released from Guantanamo is already a threat:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/freed-taliban-commander-tells-relative-hell-fight-americans-again-n124451
Anonymous
06/06/2014 13:29
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
We sent him there and it was our responsibly to get him back. If there are some charges pending against him then go through due process. War is hell and people get confused, but you don't write them off over allegations.
Who knows, maybe John McCain violated some flying protocols. Maybe he flew too low or too high, or off course. No one ever said we should consider his service record before we negotiate his release.
He was released and then South Vietnam fell to the Communists. If for some reason we ever need to go back there and fight again we will. That's the way it works.
If those five Taliban soldiers go back and wage war against the US again we may again need to go to war in Afganistan again. That's just the way it works.
There has not been an external attack on the US since 911 and these five members of the Taliban are not going to personally change that fact.
Instead of trying to swift boat good men who served their country you should be asking why Dick Cheney and his entire generation of Republican politicians were able to be draft dodgers and avoid military service in Vietnam.
What bunch of f-king cowards and now they have the balls to criticize this returning home POW.
Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets on this issue? Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets who have been complainiing for the past forty years that no one appreciated them and no one gave them a ticker-tape parade when they returned home from Nam? There is a soldier who is being returned home right now from five years in captivity as a POW and he's being dragged through the mud. You belly a ached about not getting a parade and you ride your motorcycles around the beltway celebrating "Rolling Thunder" and bemoaning the POWs we left behind, but you don't have the balls to stand up in defense of Sgt. Bergdahl.
Take those POW flags off your motorcycles and your jackets. You a just as bad as the money grubbing politicians and arms suppliers who sent you to Nam in the first place. You were just part of the plan then and you are still just part of the game today.
Go to your American Legion and VFW Posts. Watch Fox News, complain about how you got screwed and help drag Sgt. Bergdahl through the mud!
You f-king Americans make me sick!
Who knows, maybe John McCain violated some flying protocols. Maybe he flew too low or too high, or off course. No one ever said we should consider his service record before we negotiate his release.
He was released and then South Vietnam fell to the Communists. If for some reason we ever need to go back there and fight again we will. That's the way it works.
If those five Taliban soldiers go back and wage war against the US again we may again need to go to war in Afganistan again. That's just the way it works.
There has not been an external attack on the US since 911 and these five members of the Taliban are not going to personally change that fact.
Instead of trying to swift boat good men who served their country you should be asking why Dick Cheney and his entire generation of Republican politicians were able to be draft dodgers and avoid military service in Vietnam.
What bunch of f-king cowards and now they have the balls to criticize this returning home POW.
Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets on this issue? Where the hell are all the Vietnam Vets who have been complainiing for the past forty years that no one appreciated them and no one gave them a ticker-tape parade when they returned home from Nam? There is a soldier who is being returned home right now from five years in captivity as a POW and he's being dragged through the mud. You belly a ached about not getting a parade and you ride your motorcycles around the beltway celebrating "Rolling Thunder" and bemoaning the POWs we left behind, but you don't have the balls to stand up in defense of Sgt. Bergdahl.
Take those POW flags off your motorcycles and your jackets. You a just as bad as the money grubbing politicians and arms suppliers who sent you to Nam in the first place. You were just part of the plan then and you are still just part of the game today.
Go to your American Legion and VFW Posts. Watch Fox News, complain about how you got screwed and help drag Sgt. Bergdahl through the mud!
You f-king Americans make me sick!
Anonymous
06/06/2014 13:26
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
Anonymous wrote:If the investigation shows that the Administration had reason and the right to act promptly, then that's fine. Rather than condemn and speculate, we need to allow an investigation to determine all the facts.
Investigation? What investigation? This "transparent" Administration has not demonstrated a willingness to timely and completely turn over documents for any investigation. Stonewall, deflect, blame and dodge...
I'm anticipating there will be hearings etc. See Benghazi. You don't think so?
Anonymous
06/06/2014 13:11
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:^^ Just an observation - Conservatives are not the only ones against this exchange. There are plenty of Dems/Liberals speaking out against it. And, there are Conservatives speaking out in support of it. So, go ahead and make this a partisan issue. It is not.
This issue is simply support or oppose, it's bashing Obama for not freeing Bergdahl and then bashing him for freeing Bergdahl. Can you find one individual of any political persuasion that has consistently said, "Bergdahl is a traitor and we should do nothing to free him"? There probably is such a person, but I don't know about him. Rather, I see a lot of conservatives who flip-flopped once Bergdahl was exchanged.
I'm one of those people, and I am a Democrat. I never said we should do NOTHING, but I have been consistent that I don't think we should exchange a large number of high value targets for one POW whose capture arose through his own questionable actions.
What exactly were your suggestions for bringing him back? Midnight raid? Were you going to trade him for a fistful of fast passes at Disney World?
jsteele
06/06/2014 12:59
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:^^ Just an observation - Conservatives are not the only ones against this exchange. There are plenty of Dems/Liberals speaking out against it. And, there are Conservatives speaking out in support of it. So, go ahead and make this a partisan issue. It is not.
This issue is simply support or oppose, it's bashing Obama for not freeing Bergdahl and then bashing him for freeing Bergdahl. Can you find one individual of any political persuasion that has consistently said, "Bergdahl is a traitor and we should do nothing to free him"? There probably is such a person, but I don't know about him. Rather, I see a lot of conservatives who flip-flopped once Bergdahl was exchanged.
I'm one of those people, and I am a Democrat. I never said we should do NOTHING, but I have been consistent that I don't think we should exchange a large number of high value targets for one POW whose capture arose through his own questionable actions.
Consistent since when? How long have you held that position?
Anonymous
06/06/2014 12:54
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
Yet another instance of Republicans losing all discipline and going on a political suicide mission as a result. Which is it, guys? Is Bergdahl a deserter? A taliban spy? Did people die searching for him? Is the administration stupid for trading him for 5 gitmo guys? Or is the problem that the administration didn't notify Congress?
Do you all think less politically inclined people will be able to follow all of this nonsense? NO. They're just going to rememeber: POW came home from Afghanistan- Republicans freaked out- once again, turned out to be kind of nothing. That's it. Like the IRS, Benghazi, people will just tune you out more and more and more.
Do you all think less politically inclined people will be able to follow all of this nonsense? NO. They're just going to rememeber: POW came home from Afghanistan- Republicans freaked out- once again, turned out to be kind of nothing. That's it. Like the IRS, Benghazi, people will just tune you out more and more and more.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 12:54
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
How do we even know they are "high value targets?" If they were so valuable, then why did the Taliban and Al Qaeda continue to exist and evade us for as long as they did - obviously those guys had little useful or usable intel to give. That is, if they even had a relevant role. Because likewise, how is it that in over 10 years we apparently still didn't get together enough evidence to prosecute these guys and put them behind bars for life?
Anonymous
06/06/2014 12:50
Subject: Bowe Bergdahl
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've been reserving judgment on this while I learned more about it. I read the Rolling Stone profile from 2012, and that portrait, along with everything being reported this week, has led me to believe that this "swap" was a huge, huge mistake. I'm sorry, but the guy joined the Army to have an "adventure." He was raised by parents who were proud to live "off the grid." I support the right of anyone to live the way they want to, but when you are raised to be a free-thinker and a free-spirit and seek adventure, you have no business joining the Army, through which you become accountable to your fellow soldiers and your country. The Army is not a game where you join up to see the sights and maybe do some good along the way. This is just an incredibly naive way to think. And his actions and his attitude about his service were incredibly selfish. His experience of the Army, his capture and detainment were all a result of choices he made. The results are unfortunate, but they are his to own. The security and safety of our country and our that of our allies should not be compromised because his choices turned out to be catastrophic for him. I am bitterly disappointed in our President and whichever advisors supported this move.
Then they need to stop advertising as such. Come join the Army and see thw world. It's not just a job, it's an adventure. Other than that, I agree, as a free-thinker, he should not have joined the military. And I don't know if he is a deserter or not, but the military code is leave no servicemember behind. Let the court martial figure out the legalities.
Well, I agree that the Army has gotten to the point, because of our political leadership's stupid use of force, where they are practically recruiting any able-bodied person with a functioning brain stem without regard to personal, mental and psychological fitness for the job. And yes, that is a problem. Still doesn't change how I feel about the issue but I agree that I want to see him go through due process and explain himself for a court.
Anonymous
06/06/2014 12:48
Subject: Re:Bowe Bergdahl
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:^^ Just an observation - Conservatives are not the only ones against this exchange. There are plenty of Dems/Liberals speaking out against it. And, there are Conservatives speaking out in support of it. So, go ahead and make this a partisan issue. It is not.
This issue is simply support or oppose, it's bashing Obama for not freeing Bergdahl and then bashing him for freeing Bergdahl. Can you find one individual of any political persuasion that has consistently said, "Bergdahl is a traitor and we should do nothing to free him"? There probably is such a person, but I don't know about him. Rather, I see a lot of conservatives who flip-flopped once Bergdahl was exchanged.
I'm one of those people, and I am a Democrat. I never said we should do NOTHING, but I have been consistent that I don't think we should exchange a large number of high value targets for one POW whose capture arose through his own questionable actions.