Anonymous
Post 04/12/2014 07:12     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1


Super simple for a six year old who had been instructed in the make ten method. If you have never been introduced to this of course it looks weird. But my 1st grader would breeze through that problem and in fact did breeze through many of this type early in the year. Gregtangmath.com. Is a great site for practicing this type of thing.

Education goes through fads in teaching methods. Just because this is the current fad and not the one I was taught under doesn't make it a poor method. My 6 year old has a pretty great grasp of this math. And he has memorized math facts too, but can use these types of strategies to add and subtract mentally with two and three digit numbers. I use this type of shortcut mentally all the time also , I just wasn't formally taught to do so. Formalizing this as an instructional method is no less valid than my teachers showing us to use our fingers to help do the nines times tables. ( hold up hands , fold the finger you are multiplying by, and " read" the number tens before the folded finger and ones after ).


What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.


In this city, historically, many educators have decided that reading is not something that is right for poor black and brown kids. That it was over their heads, or not something they needed. Yes, instruction and standards need to be tweaked for some individual students, but there is a body of knowledge that is standards and should be a goal for every child.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2014 07:08     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
The Feds ARE always INVOLVED, that's what I meant - SHEESH
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2014 07:08     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


That was crazy- what the hell?! Obama should be forced to complete all of these worksheets/tests before it gets passed on to the general population! See how smart he really is. Or maybe he'll actually get how stupid this Common Core is.


The Feds are always involved. No child left behind was such a wonderful idea, right?
But the individual states are not being forced to commit to theses standards. And curriculum and it's implementation is very much local.

Ok, all other things notwithstanding, what the FUCK does Barack Obama have to do with this? Are you insane?


Are you naive? The Feds are involved.


You're right, the Feds ARE always behind. And no, No Child Left Behind was NOT a wonderful idea. The individual states and being forced through the dangling of Federal money that belonged to the states in the first place. It's like your boss taking a third of your paycheck away and then saying "you can have it back if you simply follow my recommendations in your personal life'. If the Feds didn't take so much from the states to begin with, the states would have more leverage. And no, the curriculum and implementation is not very much local - look at how PAARC and the SBAC is funded - 346 million in Federal grants. Follow the money and your answers are there. Bits and bytes my friend, bits and bytes.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/get-schooled/2013/aug/25/common-core-brand-name-who-making-money-new-standa/
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2014 06:52     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1


Super simple for a six year old who had been instructed in the make ten method. If you have never been introduced to this of course it looks weird. But my 1st grader would breeze through that problem and in fact did breeze through many of this type early in the year. Gregtangmath.com. Is a great site for practicing this type of thing.

Education goes through fads in teaching methods. Just because this is the current fad and not the one I was taught under doesn't make it a poor method. My 6 year old has a pretty great grasp of this math. And he has memorized math facts too, but can use these types of strategies to add and subtract mentally with two and three digit numbers. I use this type of shortcut mentally all the time also , I just wasn't formally taught to do so. Formalizing this as an instructional method is no less valid than my teachers showing us to use our fingers to help do the nines times tables. ( hold up hands , fold the finger you are multiplying by, and " read" the number tens before the folded finger and ones after ).


What you are missing, is that what's right for YOUR child, might not be right for other children. A teacher and district (local level) can do that faster and more efficiently than state and fed.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 23:59     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


That was crazy- what the hell?! Obama should be forced to complete all of these worksheets/tests before it gets passed on to the general population! See how smart he really is. Or maybe he'll actually get how stupid this Common Core is.


The Feds are always involved. No child left behind was such a wonderful idea, right?
But the individual states are not being forced to commit to theses standards. And curriculum and it's implementation is very much local.

Ok, all other things notwithstanding, what the FUCK does Barack Obama have to do with this? Are you insane?


Are you naive? The Feds are involved.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 23:57     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1


Super simple for a six year old who had been instructed in the make ten method. If you have never been introduced to this of course it looks weird. But my 1st grader would breeze through that problem and in fact did breeze through many of this type early in the year. Gregtangmath.com. Is a great site for practicing this type of thing.

Education goes through fads in teaching methods. Just because this is the current fad and not the one I was taught under doesn't make it a poor method. My 6 year old has a pretty great grasp of this math. And he has memorized math facts too, but can use these types of strategies to add and subtract mentally with two and three digit numbers. I use this type of shortcut mentally all the time also , I just wasn't formally taught to do so. Formalizing this as an instructional method is no less valid than my teachers showing us to use our fingers to help do the nines times tables. ( hold up hands , fold the finger you are multiplying by, and " read" the number tens before the folded finger and ones after ).
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 22:41     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


That was crazy- what the hell?! Obama should be forced to complete all of these worksheets/tests before it gets passed on to the general population! See how smart he really is. Or maybe he'll actually get how stupid this Common Core is.



Ok, all other things notwithstanding, what the FUCK does Barack Obama have to do with this? Are you insane?


Are you naive? The Feds are involved.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 21:33     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
What all of you are doing by saying 'they are just standards' is forgetting that those standards need to be implemented in order for them to be used.

The problem is HOW they are being implemented.

Common core affects math and language arts a major part of the day.

And for the person that says anyone can just stamp common core on the bottom of a worksheet, what does that tell you about implementation? Is that what you want for the children of this nation?

For the other person who is questioning local level, think of the structure of a large corporation and how work is delegated down to departments. When someone too high up is trying to get a result much farther down, you need intermediate supervision and worker bees closer to the end result. Those closest to the end result see the problems are in the best position to correct them and/or report back. If they don't have that power, the end result is poor.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 21:26     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


That was crazy- what the hell?! Obama should be forced to complete all of these worksheets/tests before it gets passed on to the general population! See how smart he really is. Or maybe he'll actually get how stupid this Common Core is.



Ok, all other things notwithstanding, what the FUCK does Barack Obama have to do with this? Are you insane?


Well, last I checked he was the commander in chief. And the Feds are hooking common core adoption to funding so I guess he's kind of involved.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:36     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


The worksheet is from the COMMON CORE workbook. My nephew in MA has had similar problems. The sheets say COMMON CORE at the bottom.


The following textbook companies have published math curriculum that they say will cover Common Core state standards.

Holt Mc Dougal:
Carson Delosa:
Every Day Math
Houghton Mifflin
Saxon Math
Dimensions Math (Singapore math)
Pearson

... and the list goes on. Since SO MANY states will be adopting Common Core State standards, every single textbook publishing company WILL BE saying it meets Common Core State Standards.

How they go about it, how well they go about, and how well they succeed -- remain to be seen. But at least now they will all be trying to cover the same math standards at each grade, not have some textbooks for NY state standards, some for Tennessee state standards.

Now, I could publish a textbook and I could printe COMMON CORE at the bottom of each workbook page, and on each workbook page I could say:

Add 5 + 7. Do i while standing on your head. Add it using base 2. Do it in Russian.....

Does the fact that I put COMMON CORE at the bottom of each page mean that COMMON CORE requires you to do the math problems while standing on your head?

No.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:30     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


Sure, I'll take a stab at it:
"I need to answer 13 - 7, but I don't know what that equals. How should I start solving the problem?"
1: Break 13 into its parts - "13" is one group of 10 and three ones, which is what is shown in the picture under step 1 of the worksheet.
2: Take away the 3 ones from thirteen. Now you're left with 10. This is shown by the circled and crossed out part of step 1 of the worksheet.
3: You've taken away 3 and you need to take away 7 total, so you need to take away 4 more. Take away 4 from the 10 you have left. This is shown in step 2 of the worksheet
4: The answer is 6. You have 6 remaining if you start with 13 and take away (subtract) 7.

What math sentence or process do the two pictures on the worksheet show? It shows 13 - 3 -4. The last answer choice is correct.

To answer your second question, I do think this is appropriate for six year old students because it is showing them step by step how to break apart a subtraction problem when they may not know the answer off the top of their head.

However, I don't have a background in elementary education or child development, so my assessment that it's appropriate is just a gut feeling based on the kids I know. If others think this is an inappropriate question for the age, I would be interested in hearing that and why they think so. Maybe someone else can point out something I'm missing.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:26     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Sure, in theory. But when the implementation isn't working, then the children suffer. And big government is always very slow and stubborn about making change. Which is why the Constitution was designed to delegate education down to state, then local levels. Local school boards and teachers can change what's not working much faster than state and federal government. But that's not what's happening.


That assembly of rich white men at the constitutional convention in 1787 was awfully foresightful, I guess.

Alternatively: what does the Constitution say about education? Not one word.


So why is there a Department of Education on a Federal level ? My point exactly


What does the Constitution say about "homeland security"? What does the Constitution say about veterans? What does the Constitution say about most of modern life? If you want to go live in 1787, be my guest. I prefer living in a country where I am allowed to vote and to own property rather than be property.


Homeland Security? I feel it is unconstitutional. Veterans? Might I suggest you READ the document? Creation of a military is in there. The benefits come from the contract they sign with the US Government.

The Constitution is not an antiquated document, nor is it a "charter of negative liberties". It is what separates us from tyrannical nations.

Oh, by the way? Voting and owning property are part of the freedoms afforded to you by the Constitution. YAY freedom!


http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/04/04/the-constitution-and-property-rights/#.U0bF2tx62ZY



If you agree that creation of the military is in there then you have no choice but to also acknowledge that the Constitution also gives federal government a very broad mandate to "provide for the general welfare" and to do whatever it deems is "necessary and proper" - the "general welfare" language is part and parcel with, in the very same sentence as the one that talks about defense, which is used for the military. Article I Section 8 as well as the Preamble. Funny how conservatives focus on the military part but ignore the part about general welfare.


It's not funny at all. It's entirely predictable. They see that word "welfare" and they're all "hell no, blackie's not a gonna get shit for free."
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:23     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So here is a worksheet from the Common Core workbook for first graders. I showed this to my husband, who can code in fractal mathematics, so he's no slouch. It took him about 10 minutes to figure out what the worksheet was asking and why. I asked my 12 year old son to look at it. He could not figure out what was being asked of him.

https://twitter.com/NYCdeb8tr/status/450416183372955648/photo/1

Dummy have you not been reading about the fact that New York has added stuff that is not common core?
Since when do we read stuff on Twitter and take that as gospel???


Now tell me how you get the answer and whether or not this is appropriate for a six year old, which is the real question at hand.


That was crazy- what the hell?! Obama should be forced to complete all of these worksheets/tests before it gets passed on to the general population! See how smart he really is. Or maybe he'll actually get how stupid this Common Core is.



Ok, all other things notwithstanding, what the FUCK does Barack Obama have to do with this? Are you insane?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:20     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
I looked at that worksheet expecting to be horrified based on the comments here, but I didn't think it was that bad.
A young student (around 1st or 2nd grade) won't necessarily have all of their addition and subtraction facts memorized, so they need a way of doing subtraction problems in their head. So they're taught to break the 'big' numbers into pieces, in this case chunks of 10. Most of us probably do this instinctively, but little kids need to be taught how to do it and then gradually it will become quick and natural to them.

The worksheet literally just asks the kid to explain what the picture shows. Solve 13-7 by getting the numbers in groups of 10 and going from there:

Start with 13, in a group of 10 and and an 'extra' three in their own group. Take away (subtract) 3. Now you have 10. Take away (subtract) 4 more. You have subtracted 7 total, and the answer you have left is 6.

So 13-7= 13-3-4 = 6
The last answer choice is the correct answer.

I agree kids should memorize addition and subtraction facts, but they should also know how to break apart numbers to subtract if it's not one they've memorized.

For example, how would you guys solve 152 - 18 quickly in your head? Probably the way the worksheet described, just without explicitly thinking about what you were doing.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2014 16:07     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Can someone please explain "local level" to me? Because the way I see that is:

You either want each school to determine which is right for their kids, which could change with the population on fairly routine basis and be complete chaos.

AND/OR

You're okay with whatever so-called local level means because your kid is not the one in Texas or Kansas with bad science textbooks that the "local" school board pushed through.

AND/OR

You want YOUR way and your children catered to.