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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

Have you ever done IVF? You keep your embryos in storage and often move them around. The clinic was surely storing older embryos.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

What if they were 50s or the father was 60s?

What if they were aliens? Yes I'm sure viable eggs came from a 50yr old woman.

Why not if she had the egg reserves? Women can get pregnant into their 50s naturally and with ivf help. For women over 40 they test them but they don’t have hard age cut offs for who can get ivf. Janet Jackson had a baby somehow

Anonymous wrote:Y’all need to simmer down. The law favors the birth parents, so even if the genetic parents had the money, it would have been a waste of money. Both parents made an agreement such that the birth parents retain custody, but the genetic parents will be involved in the child’s life.

https://people.com/biological-parents-in-florida-ivf-embryo-mixup-seeking-answers-attorney-says-12003118

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for posting a link that was already posted in this thread and typing up what everyone already knows.

Perhaps you can start a new thread about how water is wet, or how Dcumlandia is filled with posters with an over abundance of confidence.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

+1 you would think this wouldn’t need to be explained

Who are the dead people in your wild scenario?

The people supporting the gestational mother have resorted to making up bizarre scenarios in which she was not only entitled to keep the baby, but where it was practically the only option. One such scenario that they’ve dreamed up is one in which the genetic parents are so old that they’re on death’s door and are likely to die at any minute, such that they’re likely to leave this baby an orphan.

They’re also claiming that the genetic parents may be child molesters.

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One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

55 and up is elderly on DCUM. Old enough that you can't trust your grandchildren with them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

+1 you would think this wouldn’t need to be explained

Who are the dead people in your wild scenario?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

What if they were 50s or the father was 60s?

What if they were aliens? Yes I'm sure viable eggs came from a 50yr old woman.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

What if they were 50s or the father was 60s?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Of course we do because they are in the childs life in a custody agreement. They weren't deemed unfit. This isn't delicate or complicated. The baby will likely grow up to reject these people who robbed her of a chance at a normal life.

Literal child molestors get supervised visitation. Getting visitation does not mean you’re fit to be a parent and could easily be consistent with the bio parents being elderly (or not—we don’t know).

The baby would not have a “normal life” no matter what. She was nonconsensually birthed by an unrelated white woman who was stunned by the situation. She’ll have issues from being separated from her birth mom or from being a transracial adoptee.

They’re not elderly.

And you know this how exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Of course we do because they are in the childs life in a custody agreement. They weren't deemed unfit. This isn't delicate or complicated. The baby will likely grow up to reject these people who robbed her of a chance at a normal life.

Literal child molestors get supervised visitation. Getting visitation does not mean you’re fit to be a parent and could easily be consistent with the bio parents being elderly (or not—we don’t know).

The baby would not have a “normal life” no matter what. She was nonconsensually birthed by an unrelated white woman who was stunned by the situation. She’ll have issues from being separated from her birth mom or from being a transracial adoptee.

+1 the biological parents are also stunned. And they didn’t have 9 months to prepare for a new baby. They got a call out of thin air that someone has their baby that they weren’t missing or looking for. Imagine if you’ve ever done ivf you could get a call like this at any time even decades later. I guess this is why people destroy embryos and other people are against ivf.

We have no idea what’s happened to the biological parents in the time since their ivf. What if both are not living or one has a serious illness and is currently passing away. What if they never had a biological child of their own and adopted? What if they are staying anonymous because they also have someone else’s baby and they don’t want it to get out?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

+1 you would think this wouldn’t need to be explained

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Anonymous wrote:Did you see in the gofundme story that they need IVF funds for more rounds and treatments? For some reason they have a baby yet it’s not fulfilling enough that they still desperately want a genetic related baby. And people are downplaying genetic bonds. They clearly want their own baby and disregard the bio parents bonds.

Given this situation and the possibility that the biological parents could change their mind and sue at any given moment, I too would want additional rounds of ivf and to secure a biological child

"Secure a biological child"

“ "Secure a biological child" ”

Y’all need to simmer down. The law favors the birth parents, so even if the genetic parents had the money, it would have been a waste of money. Both parents made an agreement such that the birth parents retain custody, but the genetic parents will be involved in the child’s life.

https://people.com/biological-parents-in-florida-ivf-embryo-mixup-seeking-answers-attorney-says-12003118

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Anonymous wrote:It's an awful situation. But if I had to go with which mom gets custody, I'd choose the birth mom. I'd have a much easier time donating an embryo than being a surrogate (not that I'd choose to do either).

One more time:

The decision should be made based upon what’s best for the child, not what’s best for the moms.

Aren’t the two connected? There is an existing emotional bond between birth mother and baby that doesn’t exist with the biological mom.

Exactly! And we know this because the gestational mother said in a court filing that she’d really like to swap this baby for her own genetic child (who didn’t exist, it turns out).

Her supposed bond can’t be measured or proven but biological bonds can be.

I think we can infer something about her bond with the child from the fact that she was willing to give this baby up when she believed she would be able to swap it for her own genetic child.

Right? Her first order of business was to find the parents. What mother needs to find her baby's parents?

Where did the parents ever say that. I thought they said they wanted to track down their embryos and their kid’s bio parents? I didn’t see anything about a swap, but maybe I missed it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-allegedly-giving-birth-someone-elses-baby

They intended to reunite this baby with the genetic parents when they still had hope that some other women was pregnant with or had given birth to their genetic child. When they learned that had not happened, they decided to keep this baby.

It says nowhere that they wanted to swap the child. It says they wanted to identify the bio parents because they felt they felt they had a right to know and would want the same. The fundraiser refers to the birth parents as the baby’s parents. They express fear that the baby “could be taken from them at any moment.”

I have no how idea you could so heartless and cruel as to read into this that the birth parents wanted to trade babies.

Did you even read the article?

This is a quote from the complaint that initiated their lawsuit against the fertility clinic: "They would willingly keep her in their care; however, for the sake of both Shea and her genetic parents, they recognize that Shea should legally and morally be united with her genetic parents so long as they are fit, able and willing to take her."

How do we know they’re fit, able, and willing to care for her?

FFS. You're truly a sick person.

Do you have any idea how IVF works? The parents could easily be 70 years old. We have no info about them! They reached a joint agreement with the birth parents.

Age is relevant when income is not?

Poor people provide great homes all the time. Dead people can't provide.

Are you insane? They aren't dead.

If the parents are elderly because the embryo is decades old, they're likely to die during the kid's childhood. The point is here, we literally don't know anything about the bio parents and their fitness one way or another. They might be the greatest, healthiest, most loving people on earth. They could also be all the worst things we've ever imagined. We don't have all the facts (or even most of them) in this very delicate and complicated scenario.

Posters on this thread are wild. The biological parents are not elderly. The Fertility Center of Orlando was only open around 9 years. It opened in 2017. Even assuming they were in their 40s in 2017, they wouldn't be elderly now, less than 10 years later.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s bizarre how so many posters think a few months with a baby is “raising a child” that outweighs the rights of the biological parents. If this happened in a modern state, the baby would go back to its biological parents but since it happened in a backwater Southern state, the real parents are left out.

This forum is full of infertile women who believe they have an inalienable right to use other women’s bodies to procure a child.

Uh, I believe this woman used her own body to birth this child?

Except for, you know, the egg that comprises half of this child’s DNA.

So are you also opposed to sperm and egg donation?

Do we know any details about the black couple? They were also patients seeking to have a baby with help of IVF — or are they merely egg/sperm donors to the clinic? If former, did they have a baby with the clinic’s help and this was extra fertilized egg? Was the kid they had actually theirs?

You know this baby is genetically South Asian, right?

No. I honestly thought I heard the baby was black. So the real parents are Indians? Indians who also sought the services of this black fertility doctor? Did those Indians have a successful child via this clinic and this was an extra fertilized egg?

I didn’t know the dr was black (I am a diff poster)
I have a hard time imagining a South Asian going to a black dr unfortunately due to prejudice