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Anonymous wrote:Godine was counted. Levy was not (an out of town fly in). Bit let’s include Levy, which puts M&D with six players over the past five years. Still dreadful.

Ok, thanks. Could you adjust all the other totals for all those teams and years where you made a personal decision not to include them, so we can see what the participation has been?

Well I think people would prefer the facts to win the day. So with that one correction (thank you) the stats are these — and still paint a very clear picture:

NW 2026
Skywalkers 3
M&D 0
Capital 1
Hero's 0

UNC 2025
Skywalkers 1
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

BC 2024
Skywalkers 0
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

NW 2023
Skywalkers 1
M&D 0
Capital 0
Hero's 0

UNC 2022
Skywalkers 7
M&D 1
Capital 1
Hero’s 1

Total number of players on national championship teams over past 5 years:
Skywalkers = 12
M&D = 5
Capital = 4
Hero's = 1

Ok, so you had a correction pointed out to you, and wouldn't bother to check through any of the other years. Putting the onus on others to factcheck. I think I know what this is and where to file it.

Also worth noting: you originally misled readers to believe it was just four years of analysis (it was five) and that the one correction noted was a fly-in player who was not from the Baltimore area.

4 years -- that wasn't me, and never in the posts preceding the post you originally replied to or since in your "research" was there any mention by you or others about where someone lived early in high school (she played 2 years at McDonough, fwiw). Or fly ins. Should I quote the posts?

And no, I suspect most people tend to mistrust data gatherers if they have been shown to be... inaccurate... and on purpose. And I haven't thrown out any conjecture until the previous sentence.

Except none of this adds any more M&D or Hero’s players to the list of natty champs identified from the past five years. Given your passion on the matter, if they existed, you’d no doubt point them out to us lol.

Actually, I just piggybacked the last one from another poster. Because you refused to answer them. And then berated another poster for "doing all the work" and "not being wrong" among other things.
Now you're at it again mocking data "from the 1950's" that starts --- the year prior, for several years. So no, I'm not fact checking your garbage data as my conjecture is it's biased and likely wrong based on your refusal to factcheck yourself and rely on others. And btw, posters are pointing this out to you, there is no "us".

Is there an interpreter here who can help decipher this? The only clear point is that you haven’t challenge the rest of the data. So it stands!

this whole conversation is really weird. i think tryout season is clearly stressing everyone out. or maybe its the extreme heat at tournaments. everyone chill

This whole conversation is so weird.

With all due respect, who cares about who won the natty? Very few players are choosing a school based on whether a team has won the national championship. College, for most, is about academics and having a great overall experience.

For example, many people believe playing for an Ivy or a school like Stanford or Duke is far BETTER than winning a national championship. So even if they could play at team that has won multiple nattys, they aren’t going to choose it. The question one should be asking is whether a club able to help your daughter develop and grow and, come high school, to commit to a school that checks their boxes.

But if you’re strictly talking competitiveness of teams, I would think a more accurate measure would be looking at top 20, or teams that made the NCAA tournament, or teams that made it to final four. But bottom line is that if there are declining numbers for top local teams, it isn’t because of the emergence of other local teams - it’s because the sport is growing and more players are being recruited from non-hotbed areas and from areas like NY.

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Anonymous wrote:Godine was counted. Levy was not (an out of town fly in). Bit let’s include Levy, which puts M&D with six players over the past five years. Still dreadful.

Ok, thanks. Could you adjust all the other totals for all those teams and years where you made a personal decision not to include them, so we can see what the participation has been?

Well I think people would prefer the facts to win the day. So with that one correction (thank you) the stats are these — and still paint a very clear picture:

NW 2026
Skywalkers 3
M&D 0
Capital 1
Hero's 0

UNC 2025
Skywalkers 1
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

BC 2024
Skywalkers 0
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

NW 2023
Skywalkers 1
M&D 0
Capital 0
Hero's 0

UNC 2022
Skywalkers 7
M&D 1
Capital 1
Hero’s 1

Total number of players on national championship teams over past 5 years:
Skywalkers = 12
M&D = 5
Capital = 4
Hero's = 1

Ok, so you had a correction pointed out to you, and wouldn't bother to check through any of the other years. Putting the onus on others to factcheck. I think I know what this is and where to file it.

Also worth noting: you originally misled readers to believe it was just four years of analysis (it was five) and that the one correction noted was a fly-in player who was not from the Baltimore area.

4 years -- that wasn't me, and never in the posts preceding the post you originally replied to or since in your "research" was there any mention by you or others about where someone lived early in high school (she played 2 years at McDonough, fwiw). Or fly ins. Should I quote the posts?

And no, I suspect most people tend to mistrust data gatherers if they have been shown to be... inaccurate... and on purpose. And I haven't thrown out any conjecture until the previous sentence.

Except none of this adds any more M&D or Hero’s players to the list of natty champs identified from the past five years. Given your passion on the matter, if they existed, you’d no doubt point them out to us lol.

Actually, I just piggybacked the last one from another poster. Because you refused to answer them. And then berated another poster for "doing all the work" and "not being wrong" among other things.
Now you're at it again mocking data "from the 1950's" that starts --- the year prior, for several years. So no, I'm not fact checking your garbage data as my conjecture is it's biased and likely wrong based on your refusal to factcheck yourself and rely on others. And btw, posters are pointing this out to you, there is no "us".

Don’t forget calling someone a “transfer” who started playing for the team in 7th grade. How many SW players on UNC in 2022 transferred from another club to SW after 7th grade?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Godine was counted. Levy was not (an out of town fly in). Bit let’s include Levy, which puts M&D with six players over the past five years. Still dreadful.

Ok, thanks. Could you adjust all the other totals for all those teams and years where you made a personal decision not to include them, so we can see what the participation has been?

Well I think people would prefer the facts to win the day. So with that one correction (thank you) the stats are these — and still paint a very clear picture:

NW 2026
Skywalkers 3
M&D 0
Capital 1
Hero's 0

UNC 2025
Skywalkers 1
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

BC 2024
Skywalkers 0
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

NW 2023
Skywalkers 1
M&D 0
Capital 0
Hero's 0

UNC 2022
Skywalkers 7
M&D 1
Capital 1
Hero’s 1

Total number of players on national championship teams over past 5 years:
Skywalkers = 12
M&D = 5
Capital = 4
Hero's = 1

Ok, so you had a correction pointed out to you, and wouldn't bother to check through any of the other years. Putting the onus on others to factcheck. I think I know what this is and where to file it.

Also worth noting: you originally misled readers to believe it was just four years of analysis (it was five) and that the one correction noted was a fly-in player who was not from the Baltimore area.

4 years -- that wasn't me, and never in the posts preceding the post you originally replied to or since in your "research" was there any mention by you or others about where someone lived early in high school (she played 2 years at McDonough, fwiw). Or fly ins. Should I quote the posts?

And no, I suspect most people tend to mistrust data gatherers if they have been shown to be... inaccurate... and on purpose. And I haven't thrown out any conjecture until the previous sentence.

Except none of this adds any more M&D or Hero’s players to the list of natty champs identified from the past five years. Given your passion on the matter, if they existed, you’d no doubt point them out to us lol.

Actually, I just piggybacked the last one from another poster. Because you refused to answer them. And then berated another poster for "doing all the work" and "not being wrong" among other things.
Now you're at it again mocking data "from the 1950's" that starts --- the year prior, for several years. So no, I'm not fact checking your garbage data as my conjecture is it's biased and likely wrong based on your refusal to factcheck yourself and rely on others. And btw, posters are pointing this out to you, there is no "us".

You should see them on the sidelines!

You’re forgetting an M&D 2027 who is committed to UNC.

Not sure how you guys went down this rabbit hole, but I didn’t think parents of such young lax players could be this nuts. Some of you need to take deep breaths and pace yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people making unbelievably moronic points on this website, but the “there were only X number of players on the past 5 champions so that means they are down” argument really takes the cake. The two teams you are stretching to take a shot at are two of the three highest ranked clubs every single year. You picking one team each year for a 5 year period and claiming that shows something is just stupid. There were more Oregon Pride players on Northwestern this year than M&D and Heros, does that make OP a better club? Oh no, there was only one YJ LI on this year’s National Champ, we better just close the whole program. You also just arbitrarily picked a 5 year period, but then the Championship team immediately before your cut off period was shown to have 17 players from those two clubs. I have nothing to do with any Baltimore clubs, but you are living in another universe and are probably just one of the trashy HOCO parents I have heard so much about.

Anyway….excited to see my 2034 play this weekend, there are some amazing games. Maybe we can get back to talking about teams in the 33-35 ranges.

I’ve heard Oregon Pride is solid. My 2034 flies in to play for them. 😂😂😂

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people making unbelievably moronic points on this website, but the “there were only X number of players on the past 5 champions so that means they are down” argument really takes the cake. The two teams you are stretching to take a shot at are two of the three highest ranked clubs every single year. You picking one team each year for a 5 year period and claiming that shows something is just stupid. There were more Oregon Pride players on Northwestern this year than M&D and Heros, does that make OP a better club? Oh no, there was only one YJ LI on this year’s National Champ, we better just close the whole program. You also just arbitrarily picked a 5 year period, but then the Championship team immediately before your cut off period was shown to have 17 players from those two clubs. I have nothing to do with any Baltimore clubs, but you are living in another universe and are probably just one of the trashy HOCO parents I have heard so much about.

Anyway….excited to see my 2034 play this weekend, there are some amazing games. Maybe we can get back to talking about teams in the 33-35 ranges.

I’ve heard Oregon Pride is solid. My 2034 flies in to play for them. 😂😂😂

I’ve seen people making unbelievably moronic points on this website, but the “there were only X number of players on the past 5 champions so that means they are down” argument really takes the cake. The two teams you are stretching to take a shot at are two of the three highest ranked clubs every single year. You picking one team each year for a 5 year period and claiming that shows something is just stupid. There were more Oregon Pride players on Northwestern this year than M&D and Heros, does that make OP a better club? Oh no, there was only one YJ LI on this year’s National Champ, we better just close the whole program. You also just arbitrarily picked a 5 year period, but then the Championship team immediately before your cut off period was shown to have 17 players from those two clubs. I have nothing to do with any Baltimore clubs, but you are living in another universe and are probably just one of the trashy HOCO parents I have heard so much about.

Anyway….excited to see my 2034 play this weekend, there are some amazing games. Maybe we can get back to talking about teams in the 33-35 ranges.

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Anonymous wrote:The next 5 national champs:

2019 Maryland 10 m&d and 7 heros
2018 JMU 1 m&d and 1 heros
2017 Maryland 11 m&d and 4 heros
2016 UNC zero
2015 Maryland 10 m&d and 1 heros

Cycles, man. And this is just a quick and dirty using the bios on the team websites and clubs aren’t listen for some, so the numbers might be higher. I’m not affiliated with either club, but I’ve been around long enough to see patterns, and some really strong young local players have a great opportunity to win titles in the near future. When there are m&d and heros alum on those teams, make sure to rerun your analysis.

You’re legit pulling stats from 11 years ago

Ok, we will only look at the behavior of the champs over the past 5 years. Here is a look at what BC and UNC have been up to:

BC: 2027 class 1 from m&d black
2026 class 1 from m&d and 1 from HG, with a transfer who played for m&d

UNC: 2025 class 1 from m&d
2024 class 2 from m&d
2022 class 1 from m&d

Looks like BC is picking up its recruiting in the bmore area, and UNC will always have a few from here. These are the exemplary teams that we need to look to for club trends, right?

NW has always done it differently with recruiting, but they have tried to get m&d and HG girls; why would the champs bother if these programs weren’t still producing talent?

Look, i get it…hoco is the best club ever, they are going to take over md club lacrosse, and nw, bc, and unc are going to exclusively get their players from there. Leave poor old m&d and heros alone!

“Tried to” and “looks like” and “always done it differently” and “behaviors” don’t change the stats. Maybe you could cite more “cycle” data from the 1950s to guide the discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:Godine was counted. Levy was not (an out of town fly in). Bit let’s include Levy, which puts M&D with six players over the past five years. Still dreadful.

Ok, thanks. Could you adjust all the other totals for all those teams and years where you made a personal decision not to include them, so we can see what the participation has been?

Well I think people would prefer the facts to win the day. So with that one correction (thank you) the stats are these — and still paint a very clear picture:

NW 2026
Skywalkers 3
M&D 0
Capital 1
Hero's 0

UNC 2025
Skywalkers 1
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

BC 2024
Skywalkers 0
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

NW 2023
Skywalkers 1
M&D 0
Capital 0
Hero's 0

UNC 2022
Skywalkers 7
M&D 1
Capital 1
Hero’s 1

Total number of players on national championship teams over past 5 years:
Skywalkers = 12
M&D = 5
Capital = 4
Hero's = 1

Ok, so you had a correction pointed out to you, and wouldn't bother to check through any of the other years. Putting the onus on others to factcheck. I think I know what this is and where to file it.

Also worth noting: you originally misled readers to believe it was just four years of analysis (it was five) and that the one correction noted was a fly-in player who was not from the Baltimore area.

4 years -- that wasn't me, and never in the posts preceding the post you originally replied to or since in your "research" was there any mention by you or others about where someone lived early in high school (she played 2 years at McDonough, fwiw). Or fly ins. Should I quote the posts?

And no, I suspect most people tend to mistrust data gatherers if they have been shown to be... inaccurate... and on purpose. And I haven't thrown out any conjecture until the previous sentence.

Except none of this adds any more M&D or Hero’s players to the list of natty champs identified from the past five years. Given your passion on the matter, if they existed, you’d no doubt point them out to us lol.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The next 5 national champs:

2019 Maryland 10 m&d and 7 heros
2018 JMU 1 m&d and 1 heros
2017 Maryland 11 m&d and 4 heros
2016 UNC zero
2015 Maryland 10 m&d and 1 heros

Cycles, man. And this is just a quick and dirty using the bios on the team websites and clubs aren’t listen for some, so the numbers might be higher. I’m not affiliated with either club, but I’ve been around long enough to see patterns, and some really strong young local players have a great opportunity to win titles in the near future. When there are m&d and heros alum on those teams, make sure to rerun your analysis.

You’re legit pulling stats from 11 years ago

Ok, we will only look at the behavior of the champs over the past 5 years. Here is a look at what BC and UNC have been up to:

BC: 2027 class 1 from m&d black
2026 class 1 from m&d and 1 from HG, with a transfer who played for m&d

UNC: 2025 class 1 from m&d
2024 class 2 from m&d
2022 class 1 from m&d

Looks like BC is picking up its recruiting in the bmore area, and UNC will always have a few from here. These are the exemplary teams that we need to look to for club trends, right?

NW has always done it differently with recruiting, but they have tried to get m&d and HG girls; why would the champs bother if these programs weren’t still producing talent?

Look, i get it…hoco is the best club ever, they are going to take over md club lacrosse, and nw, bc, and unc are going to exclusively get their players from there. Leave poor old m&d and heros alone!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Godine was counted. Levy was not (an out of town fly in). Bit let’s include Levy, which puts M&D with six players over the past five years. Still dreadful.

Ok, thanks. Could you adjust all the other totals for all those teams and years where you made a personal decision not to include them, so we can see what the participation has been?

Well I think people would prefer the facts to win the day. So with that one correction (thank you) the stats are these — and still paint a very clear picture:

NW 2026
Skywalkers 3
M&D 0
Capital 1
Hero's 0

UNC 2025
Skywalkers 1
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

BC 2024
Skywalkers 0
M&D 2
Capital 1
Hero's 0

NW 2023
Skywalkers 1
M&D 0
Capital 0
Hero's 0

UNC 2022
Skywalkers 7
M&D 1
Capital 1
Hero’s 1

Total number of players on national championship teams over past 5 years:
Skywalkers = 12
M&D = 5
Capital = 4
Hero's = 1

Ok, so you had a correction pointed out to you, and wouldn't bother to check through any of the other years. Putting the onus on others to factcheck. I think I know what this is and where to file it.

Also worth noting: you originally misled readers to believe it was just four years of analysis (it was five) and that the one correction noted was a fly-in player who was not from the Baltimore area.

4 years -- that wasn't me, and never in the posts preceding the post you originally replied to or since in your "research" was there any mention by you or others about where someone lived early in high school (she played 2 years at McDonough, fwiw). Or fly ins. Should I quote the posts?

And no, I suspect most people tend to mistrust data gatherers if they have been shown to be... inaccurate... and on purpose. And I haven't thrown out any conjecture until the previous sentence.

He’s in too deep, he will keep going with this dumb crap.

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Anonymous wrote:The next 5 national champs:

2019 Maryland 10 m&d and 7 heros
2018 JMU 1 m&d and 1 heros
2017 Maryland 11 m&d and 4 heros
2016 UNC zero
2015 Maryland 10 m&d and 1 heros

Cycles, man. And this is just a quick and dirty using the bios on the team websites and clubs aren’t listen for some, so the numbers might be higher. I’m not affiliated with either club, but I’ve been around long enough to see patterns, and some really strong young local players have a great opportunity to win titles in the near future. When there are m&d and heros alum on those teams, make sure to rerun your analysis.

You’re legit pulling stats from 11 years ago

Yes, shows the cycle I was talking about. I get it, you want to dump on heros and m&d, but you are taking the smallest of sample sets (1 winning team, 5 year span) and making it seem like it is some black mark on the clubs. Both clubs have been pumping out D1 players, a ton of which end up being All American and/or a national champions, but because 3 schools who were recently successful didn’t have their players, you are trying to take a shot. You are just a jealous loser, your kid won’t ever make HG or M&D black, and you are butthurt about it.