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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.

+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.

Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!

Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the story in this most recent episode about Dana serving as a SANE to the rape survivor was riveting. I'm a rape survivor and worked for a time on a crisis hotline for sexual violence. The actress who played Ilana was phenomenal and the writing of that storyline was obviously very well researched. I'm not sure I've ever seen that situation portrayed as accurately and honestly as that.

I also love how that story was paired with the scenes in the last episode where Dana cleaned Louie's body. In both situations, she brought the new nurse, Emma, along and narrated what she was doing, and why. These are activities nurses do but few people talk about. People think about nurses taking your BP, administering meds, assisting doctors. But this -- a nurse wiping the blood and fluids off a man who just died and is unlikely to be claimed by loved ones, walking a rape victim through evidence gathering -- people don't think about this. And this is set against the backdrop of Dana being assaulted last season and saying she was done, and then returning to work. You're thinking about why she came back, and also why she wanted to quit. And you're looking at Emma who is on the far other end of a nursing career and thinking about what is ahead of her too.

Also Emma saying "let's go find the good snacks" to Ilana.

If this is "slow" or "disjointed" or "not enough happening" for you, you are entitled to your opinion. But I think that's very compelling storytelling, about people and events that don't ever get told with this much factual accuracy or tenderness.

Did you find the way they were talking to her to be condescending? I realize it was supposed to be super compassionate but I just wondered.

I thought it sounded like the script that SANEs are trained to follow, said with real compassion by someone who definitely wants to help. I also thought that Ilana's reaction, of being annoyed, impatient, and frustrated by the situation, was completely spot on to how many rape survivors behave when engaging with any institution to report their rape. One of the hardest aspects of being a rape survivor, and helping rape survivors, is that nothing about the process is really designed to give people what they actually need, which is true agency. Dana was administering the rape kit professionally and correctly, AND she was clearly sensitive to Ilana's state of mind (it was obviously not Dana's first rape kit). However, the clinical nature of a rape exam is horrible. And really think about this. Think about what it is like to be raped and violated in that way, and then to place yourself in a hospital gown in a sterile hospital exam room with multiple strangers who will examine your body, take photos, and collect evidence. They will take your clothes away.

The moment where Dana is doing the blue light test and then takes a swab of Ilana's arm? Dana does it right, by explaining exactly what she is doing and why. But Ilana is still in a state of physical and mental shock. She is not processing, or she's processing through trauma. When Dana uses the cold swab, Ilana in theory knows it's coming, but her whole body is on high alert. SANE exams are incredibly stressful, even when the nurse is amazing, even when there is an advocate there.

Our society doesn't know how to deal with what rape does to people. And I have worked in rape crisis and I am a rape survivor myself, and I don't know the answers either. The SANE exam is designed to try and facilitate a criminal justice solution. It still places survivors in situations that can be traumatizing and degrading. Plus that rape kit? It gets sent off to a lab where it may be delayed in processing or processed incorrectly. Ilana's friends may side with her rapist (who is also their friend) against her. If Ilana chooses to press charges, she may face not only her rapist but her friends sharing information about her (her drinking habits, her sexual history, her relationship with the rapist) that will be mortifying to have disclosed to the police, much less discussed in court. And in the end, there may be no conviction, or a plead out to lesser charge due to lack of evidence. And in the process, she will lose friends and change the way everyone in her life sees her.

Obviously the show isn't getting into all of that, but I honestly can feel this in how they are treating the storyline. I think Dana knows and understands all this, even as she also hopes Ilana decides to finish the exam and press charges.

People rarely understand what rape really does to you. It's not talked about enough and when rape is portrayed on television and in movies, it is sensationalized and the emphasis is on the act itself. The aftermath of rape, sometimes for the rest of your life, is so much bigger than the act in the moment. The Pitt seems to get this, they must have consulted with survivor who has worked in rape intervention or recovery. This is what it is like.

I said to my husband while we were watching this: "It would be a whole lot more impressive if all this evidence weren't going on a shelf somewhere, never to be touched again."

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.

+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.

Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!

Anonymous wrote:NYT piece talks about how The Pitt is (not subtly) using this season to talk about the mess that America is in - hence the 4th of July setting.

Here is an excerpt- “The second season is almost halfway done and feels even more relevant than the first. It’s also more open about its desire to be a mirror for a nation in need of help. To that end, this season takes place on America’s birthday, the Fourth of July. No subtlety there. In fact, my one major quibble is how blunt the show’s messaging can be.

But that doesn’t make “The Pitt” any less important. It’s an empathy exam. It’s a civics lesson. Above all, it’s a study of people under intense pressure — as they are when a pulse is fading, or when a nation is fraying — and the importance of muddling through and making things better, no matter the odds, no matter the obstacles.”

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Anonymous wrote:So what was up with Dr. Al-Hashimi’s private phone call? Was she doing that on behalf of the possibly schizophrenic patient to see if he had a brain tumor?

No. She said she was a patient of the neurologist and was making an appointment for herself. It's very clear in the conversation.

We've seen have Dr. Al-Hashimi have two, what appear to be dissociative episodes. One in that cliffhanger early in the season when she's looking down at Baby Jane Doe and Samira keeps saying her name and she can't hear it, and then another in this episode right before she makes the call to the neurologist.

We also learned in this episode that she has worked overseas with Doctors Without Borders (she uses the French name of the org), including at the hospital Dasht-E-Barchi hospital in Kabul. If you are unfamiliar with it, Dasht-E-Barchi was the site of a massacre by a military insurgency in 2020, where a maternity ward was targeted and many mothers and hospital workers were murdered.

It is likely that Dr. Al-Hashimi has PTSD from that experience, that was triggered by Baby Jane Doe's cries. She probably sees a neurologist to deal with neurological effects of her PTSD, including flashbacks and dissociative episodes. She is recognizing the signs of a triggering episode in herself and she's reaching out to her doctor in order to address them as quickly as possible.

This will be interesting to watch unfold because almost everyone in that ED is dealing with some level of PTSD, due to the mass shooting event and/or Covid, as well as other more discrete incidents (Dana's assault, Santos' childhood abuse, Langdon's addiction). We are also seeing the trauma experienced by both patients and their families this season. Ilana, the rape survivor, in the immediate aftermath of SA by a friend. We also see Jackson's (the law student patient who has been hearing voices) family discussing another family member who committed suicide, and also the choice to conceal that from Jackson's sister. And then there is Roxy, the cancer patient, whose entire family is experiencing the trauma of her physical decline and likely imminent death.

I think this season is about trauma, both in the acute sense of someone with a critical injury being rolled into a trauma room at the ER, and also in the broader sense of the events that mark us and follow us throughout our lives. How it manifests, how people deal. Everything from thrill seeking as a way to quiet traumatic episodes (Abbott, also Langdon), self-medicating (Langdon), seeking treatment (Al-Hashimi), denial and escapism (Rabi), humor and putting up defenses (Santos), self-harm (also Santos, also Langdon, also maybe Rabi), digging into your work (ALL OF THEM), and so on. What is healthy, what is not, what works anyway.

👏🏽👏🏽 I love this take.

+1. Thank you — Her reaction to the baby stuck in my mind and this is a good explanation.

Anonymous wrote:Why would the abandoned baby be wrapped in a blanket in the bassinet? Dangerous!

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the story in this most recent episode about Dana serving as a SANE to the rape survivor was riveting. I'm a rape survivor and worked for a time on a crisis hotline for sexual violence. The actress who played Ilana was phenomenal and the writing of that storyline was obviously very well researched. I'm not sure I've ever seen that situation portrayed as accurately and honestly as that.

I also love how that story was paired with the scenes in the last episode where Dana cleaned Louie's body. In both situations, she brought the new nurse, Emma, along and narrated what she was doing, and why. These are activities nurses do but few people talk about. People think about nurses taking your BP, administering meds, assisting doctors. But this -- a nurse wiping the blood and fluids off a man who just died and is unlikely to be claimed by loved ones, walking a rape victim through evidence gathering -- people don't think about this. And this is set against the backdrop of Dana being assaulted last season and saying she was done, and then returning to work. You're thinking about why she came back, and also why she wanted to quit. And you're looking at Emma who is on the far other end of a nursing career and thinking about what is ahead of her too.

Also Emma saying "let's go find the good snacks" to Ilana.

If this is "slow" or "disjointed" or "not enough happening" for you, you are entitled to your opinion. But I think that's very compelling storytelling, about people and events that don't ever get told with this much factual accuracy or tenderness.

Did you find the way they were talking to her to be condescending? I realize it was supposed to be super compassionate but I just wondered.

I thought it sounded like the script that SANEs are trained to follow, said with real compassion by someone who definitely wants to help. I also thought that Ilana's reaction, of being annoyed, impatient, and frustrated by the situation, was completely spot on to how many rape survivors behave when engaging with any institution to report their rape. One of the hardest aspects of being a rape survivor, and helping rape survivors, is that nothing about the process is really designed to give people what they actually need, which is true agency. Dana was administering the rape kit professionally and correctly, AND she was clearly sensitive to Ilana's state of mind (it was obviously not Dana's first rape kit). However, the clinical nature of a rape exam is horrible. And really think about this. Think about what it is like to be raped and violated in that way, and then to place yourself in a hospital gown in a sterile hospital exam room with multiple strangers who will examine your body, take photos, and collect evidence. They will take your clothes away.

The moment where Dana is doing the blue light test and then takes a swab of Ilana's arm? Dana does it right, by explaining exactly what she is doing and why. But Ilana is still in a state of physical and mental shock. She is not processing, or she's processing through trauma. When Dana uses the cold swab, Ilana in theory knows it's coming, but her whole body is on high alert. SANE exams are incredibly stressful, even when the nurse is amazing, even when there is an advocate there.

Our society doesn't know how to deal with what rape does to people. And I have worked in rape crisis and I am a rape survivor myself, and I don't know the answers either. The SANE exam is designed to try and facilitate a criminal justice solution. It still places survivors in situations that can be traumatizing and degrading. Plus that rape kit? It gets sent off to a lab where it may be delayed in processing or processed incorrectly. Ilana's friends may side with her rapist (who is also their friend) against her. If Ilana chooses to press charges, she may face not only her rapist but her friends sharing information about her (her drinking habits, her sexual history, her relationship with the rapist) that will be mortifying to have disclosed to the police, much less discussed in court. And in the end, there may be no conviction, or a plead out to lesser charge due to lack of evidence. And in the process, she will lose friends and change the way everyone in her life sees her.

Obviously the show isn't getting into all of that, but I honestly can feel this in how they are treating the storyline. I think Dana knows and understands all this, even as she also hopes Ilana decides to finish the exam and press charges.

People rarely understand what rape really does to you. It's not talked about enough and when rape is portrayed on television and in movies, it is sensationalized and the emphasis is on the act itself. The aftermath of rape, sometimes for the rest of your life, is so much bigger than the act in the moment. The Pitt seems to get this, they must have consulted with survivor who has worked in rape intervention or recovery. This is what it is like.

Anonymous wrote:Dana’s accent is much stronger in season 2. I’m a native Pittsburgher with generations of extended family members and I love the actress but NOTHING she says sounds Pittsburgh to me.
But sure let’s get back to discussing the hours of the fictional college library.
If you really want to go down a rabbit hole of a Pittsburgh show’s “nailed it” and inconsistencies, go look at the gazillion threads and discussions about This Is Us.

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow because of the incoming blizzard, I've ended up watching Stephen King's Storm of the Century

Dana's accent is exactly like the Maine Accent of the actress who plays Ursula Godsoe -- Becky Ann Baker

It's not Brooklyn. It's Maine

No, it’s not. The Dana. Actor went through hours of training to nail a particular type of Pittsburgh accent

Well she still didn’t nail it. And I say this as a Nurse Dana stan.

Half of my family is in and around Pittsburgh, and I now have a college kid in year 3 at Pitt. I’ve spent my 58 years visiting all over the area - Dana’s accent is a complete mystery. I don’t hate it, it just isn’t yinzer.

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Dana's accent is exactly like the Maine Accent of the actress who plays Ursula Godsoe -- Becky Ann Baker

It's not Brooklyn. It's Maine

No, it’s not. The Dana. Actor went through hours of training to nail a particular type of Pittsburgh accent

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

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You or the PP claimed Pitt’s law library is open 24/7. It’s not. That fact goes right to the claim that the law student was stressed out having worked 24/7 in the law library on the 4th of July when the library was closed. So either that didn’t happen, which goes directly to story line. Or the writers screwed up. Either of which is worthy of comment.

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lol the storyline is not that the kid lied about the library hours.

You don’t know that. We still don’t know his story. We are all thinking schizophrenia but he’s still there in the hospital with his family and they are doing more testing.

The campus police officer who brought him into the ER said that the student threw a chair at him in the library. So he was in the library.

He was a security officer, not a cop, and he seemed entirely suspect, I would not take his word for it.

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.

I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks

Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.

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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.

I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.

Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.

Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.

Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours

Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.

Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.

+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.