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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised they left in the Chantilly to Oakton move. At least, I assume that's the 41 kids moving 6.88 miles away. Makes no sense with KAA coming on board.

You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.

I can't follow your math. Wouldn't the delta suggest that a current 10-minute drive would become a 22 or 23-minute drive, not a "30-minute drive at best"?

They aren't factoring KAA into any of this at all. That part of the county could have to deal with boundary changes resulting from (1) the county-wide review, (2) the opening of KAA, and (3) the downsizing of the AAP center at Carson in short order. By the time all that gets worked out they could be talking about the next county-wide review.

If I were in charge, I would have prioritized Coates and figured out what the plans were with respect to KAA neighorhood boundaries and AAP centers before considering any other boundary changes. If that meant delaying other changes for a few years during a period of declining FCPS enrollments, so much the better.

Reid is clearly in over her head. I think a number of thoughtful posters on here could have managed this entire thing better-for free!

I'd add that there are a few BRAC members who also could manage this better, but they are repeatedly rebuffed when requesting information.

It's the biggest debacle I've ever seen come out of FCPS in terms of the sheer incompetence of both planning and execution. Apart from Ryan McElveen, who seemed to grasp early on this was beyond the competence of those currently running FCPS to pull off, and perhaps Ricardy Anderson and Melanie Meren, who appear to have come around to understanding what a gigantic mess this is, every current School Board member and Reid should lose their jobs. Certainly neither Ilryong Moon nor Rachna Sizemore-Heizer should get elected to the Board of Supervisors when they are complicit in this shit-show.

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I'm PP and drive that route (66) frequently. It takes 20 minutes at best in a car assuming no traffic. Do you really think it will take that on a school bus? Have you ever driven on I-66? At rush hour? Go there for evening activities--again at rush hour? Go pick your child up from after school activities?

They are using google maps' time. That is hopeful, at best.

So you are basically asserting they are under-estimating the increase in commuting time associated with at least one of the earlier proposals (i.e., to move a small part of Chantilly to Oakton).

Got it - I don't have an independent view on who's right here, just an understanding that the area in question is much closer to Chantilly and that no one from Chantilly was asking to be reassigned before this all started.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised they left in the Chantilly to Oakton move. At least, I assume that's the 41 kids moving 6.88 miles away. Makes no sense with KAA coming on board.

You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.

I can't follow your math. Wouldn't the delta suggest that a current 10-minute drive would become a 22 or 23-minute drive, not a "30-minute drive at best"?

They aren't factoring KAA into any of this at all. That part of the county could have to deal with boundary changes resulting from (1) the county-wide review, (2) the opening of KAA, and (3) the downsizing of the AAP center at Carson in short order. By the time all that gets worked out they could be talking about the next county-wide review.

If I were in charge, I would have prioritized Coates and figured out what the plans were with respect to KAA neighorhood boundaries and AAP centers before considering any other boundary changes. If that meant delaying other changes for a few years during a period of declining FCPS enrollments, so much the better.

Reid is clearly in over her head. I think a number of thoughtful posters on here could have managed this entire thing better-for free!

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You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.


I can't follow your math. Wouldn't the delta suggest that a current 10-minute drive would become a 22 or 23-minute drive, not a "30-minute drive at best"?

I'm PP and drive that route (66) frequently. It takes 20 minutes at best in a car assuming no traffic. Do you really think it will take that on a school bus? Have you ever driven on I-66? At rush hour? Go there for evening activities--again at rush hour? Go pick your child up from after school activities?

They are using google maps' time. That is hopeful, at best.

Not PP but the school busses do get to use the express lanes. Have passed several during my morning commute.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

It demonstrates why they should have funded an addition to McLean years ago. They can keep kicking kids out, but the kids then have longer commutes to other schools.

Unfortunately FCPS can’t plan for shit.

Their commutes still aren't as long as most of the kids on the far west end of the county. Some kids are making long drives to Westfield, Oakton, and Langley.

That's ironic, since there's a large contingent saying KAA needs to be a neighborhood school to reduce the commutes of kids to Westfield and Oakton. The Langley families with longer commutes take that on voluntarily and kids aren't being moved out of Langley every 4-5 years.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why Langley people are fine with that longer commute…

KAA is interesting because I think you have people zoned for Westfield and maybe South Lakes who would rather be moved to KAA, people zoned for Chantilly who are probably neutral, and people zoned for Oakton who are split between not wanting to move due to a perceived decline in quality and wanting to move so their kids can go to a smaller and closer HS.

You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.


I can't follow your math. Wouldn't the delta suggest that a current 10-minute drive would become a 22 or 23-minute drive, not a "30-minute drive at best"?

I'm PP and drive that route (66) frequently. It takes 20 minutes at best in a car assuming no traffic. Do you really think it will take that on a school bus? Have you ever driven on I-66? At rush hour? Go there for evening activities--again at rush hour? Go pick your child up from after school activities?

They are using google maps' time. That is hopeful, at best.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised they left in the Chantilly to Oakton move. At least, I assume that's the 41 kids moving 6.88 miles away. Makes no sense with KAA coming on board.

You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.

I can't follow your math. Wouldn't the delta suggest that a current 10-minute drive would become a 22 or 23-minute drive, not a "30-minute drive at best"?

They aren't factoring KAA into any of this at all. That part of the county could have to deal with boundary changes resulting from (1) the county-wide review, (2) the opening of KAA, and (3) the downsizing of the AAP center at Carson in short order. By the time all that gets worked out they could be talking about the next county-wide review.

If I were in charge, I would have prioritized Coates and figured out what the plans were with respect to KAA neighorhood boundaries and AAP centers before considering any other boundary changes. If that meant delaying other changes for a few years during a period of declining FCPS enrollments, so much the better.

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised they left in the Chantilly to Oakton move. At least, I assume that's the 41 kids moving 6.88 miles away. Makes no sense with KAA coming on board.

You are right. And, the "delta" of 12.82 minutes means that what is currently less than a ten minute drive is -at best- a thirty minute drive twice a day. And, that is likely in a car, not on a school bus.

KAA needs to be a traditional school. A magnet would be ridiculous. And, KAA would likely be a five minute drive.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

It demonstrates why they should have funded an addition to McLean years ago. They can keep kicking kids out, but the kids then have longer commutes to other schools.

Unfortunately FCPS can’t plan for shit.

Their commutes still aren't as long as most of the kids on the far west end of the county. Some kids are making long drives to Westfield, Oakton, and Langley.

That's ironic, since there's a large contingent saying KAA needs to be a neighborhood school to reduce the commutes of kids to Westfield and Oakton. The Langley families with longer commutes take that on voluntarily and kids aren't being moved out of Langley every 4-5 years.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

It demonstrates why they should have funded an addition to McLean years ago. They can keep kicking kids out, but the kids then have longer commutes to other schools.

Unfortunately FCPS can’t plan for shit.

Their commutes still aren't as long as most of the kids on the far west end of the county. Some kids are making long drives to Westfield, Oakton, and Langley.

Well, sure, but people chose to live in more populated or less populated areas. And distance and travel time are not the same thing around here.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

It demonstrates why they should have funded an addition to McLean years ago. They can keep kicking kids out, but the kids then have longer commutes to other schools.

Unfortunately FCPS can’t plan for shit.

Their commutes still aren't as long as most of the kids on the far west end of the county. Some kids are making long drives to Westfield, Oakton, and Langley.

I've gone back and forth reading both the 9/24 slide deck and Reid's summary of the meeting.

I think this is what I come away with:

1. The next-round "Scenario 4" maps were presented to the BRAC for feedback. These maps are not being shared with the general public yet.

2. In connection with the proposed "Scenario 4" changes, the slide deck hones in on specific changes still associated with Scenario 4 that would result in the biggest increases and reductions in travel distance and time. It is possible that Thru did not highlight some changes with larger impacts on distance if that was offset by a lesser or favorable impact on time. If people know for sure that a prior change would have resulted in a significantly greater travel distance compared to their current commute, and it wasn't included in the 9/24 presentation, they can be cautiously optimistic - but not sure - that it's been dropped and won't be part of Scenario 4.

3. The BRAC was asked to provide further feedback on Scenario 4, and that feedback didn't have to be limited to feedback on the transportation analysis.

4. The focus on the transportation analysis at this stage of the process is weird, but may have been deemed necessary to shore up FCPS's argument that it's complying with Policy 8130.

5. The revised Scenario 4 maps will be released on October 10th, and will continue to generate a lot of feedback.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

If it helps, the analysis is for the unseen “scenario 4”, so this must be for the Spring Hill kids going to Langley. If Timber Lane were still on the chopping block, McLean would also appear in the biggest transportation decrease section because Timber Lane to FCHS is much shorter than it is to McLean. So a speculative congrats to them!

I’m not sure I read it that way. Weren’t they just parsing discrete boundary changes out of all those previously proposed back in June and flagging the ones with the most impact? Timber Lane to FC vs. McLean might not have made that cut.

It’s confusing because they used the term “Scenario 4,” but they left in the change that would move Chantilly kids to Oakton, and there’s been a lot of feedback to rescind that proposal.

Where are you seeing specific schools?

There is a chart that lists a spattering of high schools with miles, and one map showing the distance of a single Sangster street not slater for rezoning and its driving path to Sangster.

But I am not seeing anything about the schools you mention.

Slide 12

So the schools listed on those slides are schools that students are being moved from?

Yes.

Are they?

Because WSHS had neighborhoods marked to move more than 3 miles away, and WSHS is not included on slide 12.

They are looking at the "delta" - the change in commuting length and distance - not the absolute distance or length. And then they are apparently using their judgment as to which combinations of decreased or increased distance and time are the most significant.

They could have just screwed up and omitted WSHS when it should have been included, but were the WS areas that they were proposing to move to Lake Braddock or South County more than 3 miles closer to WS than to LBSS or SC?

Yes.

The Gambrill neighborhoods along Ridge Road, Ships Curve and Ridge Oaks Court are all around 5 miles to South County, and longer, 6 miles, to Lewis.

Is this chart only showing the change in mileage between the old school vs the new school?

Then there are a lot more neighborhoods getting rezoned to farther schools.

Yes. That is what "delta" means in this context.

Wait, is it distance from one school to the other school or the change in travel distance, meaning the change in distance from home to old school versus distance from home to new school?

It can take me 45 minutes to go 8 miles to Reagan Airport depending on the day, time of day, weather...

1 mile can make a HUGE difference in driving time in this area, especially if you are going in the "wrong" direction or past a major traffic center like the mixing bowl, Tysons or and interchange involving 66 or 395.

Fortunately, FCPS has data on commute times from Gambrill to Franconia/Springfield Mall. There’s a connector bus stop that services that area and it runs like clockwork.

Hunt Valley to Lewis is completely doable.

Yeah, that bus is not crossing the mixing bowl to Lewis.

you mean down the parkway and making the left to drive past Best Buy? thats not the mixing bowl.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

If it helps, the analysis is for the unseen “scenario 4”, so this must be for the Spring Hill kids going to Langley. If Timber Lane were still on the chopping block, McLean would also appear in the biggest transportation decrease section because Timber Lane to FCHS is much shorter than it is to McLean. So a speculative congrats to them!

I’m not sure I read it that way. Weren’t they just parsing discrete boundary changes out of all those previously proposed back in June and flagging the ones with the most impact? Timber Lane to FC vs. McLean might not have made that cut.

It’s confusing because they used the term “Scenario 4,” but they left in the change that would move Chantilly kids to Oakton, and there’s been a lot of feedback to rescind that proposal.

Where are you seeing specific schools?

There is a chart that lists a spattering of high schools with miles, and one map showing the distance of a single Sangster street not slater for rezoning and its driving path to Sangster.

But I am not seeing anything about the schools you mention.

Slide 12

So the schools listed on those slides are schools that students are being moved from?

Yes.

Are they?

Because WSHS had neighborhoods marked to move more than 3 miles away, and WSHS is not included on slide 12.

They are looking at the "delta" - the change in commuting length and distance - not the absolute distance or length. And then they are apparently using their judgment as to which combinations of decreased or increased distance and time are the most significant.

They could have just screwed up and omitted WSHS when it should have been included, but were the WS areas that they were proposing to move to Lake Braddock or South County more than 3 miles closer to WS than to LBSS or SC?

Yes.

The Gambrill neighborhoods along Ridge Road, Ships Curve and Ridge Oaks Court are all around 5 miles to South County, and longer, 6 miles, to Lewis.

Is this chart only showing the change in mileage between the old school vs the new school?

Then there are a lot more neighborhoods getting rezoned to farther schools.

Yes. That is what "delta" means in this context.

Wait, is it distance from one school to the other school or the change in travel distance, meaning the change in distance from home to old school versus distance from home to new school?

It can take me 45 minutes to go 8 miles to Reagan Airport depending on the day, time of day, weather...

1 mile can make a HUGE difference in driving time in this area, especially if you are going in the "wrong" direction or past a major traffic center like the mixing bowl, Tysons or and interchange involving 66 or 395.

Fortunately, FCPS has data on commute times from Gambrill to Franconia/Springfield Mall. There’s a connector bus stop that services that area and it runs like clockwork.

Hunt Valley to Lewis is completely doable.

Yeah, that bus is not crossing the mixing bowl to Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting notes are up. They don't include anything involving maps:

https://www.fcps.edu/september-24-2025-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee-meeting

So they want to increase the commuting time and distance for the McLean students who’d be moved (over 200 students)? So much for transportation efficiency.

If it helps, the analysis is for the unseen “scenario 4”, so this must be for the Spring Hill kids going to Langley. If Timber Lane were still on the chopping block, McLean would also appear in the biggest transportation decrease section because Timber Lane to FCHS is much shorter than it is to McLean. So a speculative congrats to them!

I’m not sure I read it that way. Weren’t they just parsing discrete boundary changes out of all those previously proposed back in June and flagging the ones with the most impact? Timber Lane to FC vs. McLean might not have made that cut.

It’s confusing because they used the term “Scenario 4,” but they left in the change that would move Chantilly kids to Oakton, and there’s been a lot of feedback to rescind that proposal.

Where are you seeing specific schools?

There is a chart that lists a spattering of high schools with miles, and one map showing the distance of a single Sangster street not slater for rezoning and its driving path to Sangster.

But I am not seeing anything about the schools you mention.

Slide 12

So the schools listed on those slides are schools that students are being moved from?

Yes.

Are they?

Because WSHS had neighborhoods marked to move more than 3 miles away, and WSHS is not included on slide 12.

They are looking at the "delta" - the change in commuting length and distance - not the absolute distance or length. And then they are apparently using their judgment as to which combinations of decreased or increased distance and time are the most significant.

They could have just screwed up and omitted WSHS when it should have been included, but were the WS areas that they were proposing to move to Lake Braddock or South County more than 3 miles closer to WS than to LBSS or SC?

Yes.

The Gambrill neighborhoods along Ridge Road, Ships Curve and Ridge Oaks Court are all around 5 miles to South County, and longer, 6 miles, to Lewis.

Is this chart only showing the change in mileage between the old school vs the new school?

Then there are a lot more neighborhoods getting rezoned to farther schools.

Yes. That is what "delta" means in this context.

Wait, is it distance from one school to the other school or the change in travel distance, meaning the change in distance from home to old school versus distance from home to new school?

It can take me 45 minutes to go 8 miles to Reagan Airport depending on the day, time of day, weather...

1 mile can make a HUGE difference in driving time in this area, especially if you are going in the "wrong" direction or past a major traffic center like the mixing bowl, Tysons or and interchange involving 66 or 395.

Fortunately, FCPS has data on commute times from Gambrill to Franconia/Springfield Mall. There’s a connector bus stop that services that area and it runs like clockwork.

Hunt Valley to Lewis is completely doable.