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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Why would we want Ukraine to continue in a war they can't win? Democrats don't want Trump to end that war because it would be a big win for him. He might even get the peace prize. Voters didn't vote for revenge but to right many of the wrongs of the Biden failures. Bush and Obama imposed quotas and Tariffs on the Chinese so this is nothing new.

I can help you get out of the cult. I can help you make a plan.

Likewise!

Nah, the only people in a cult are the ones that voted for a guy who said Haitians were eating pets. The angry ones despite all their winning because they have to rely on lies and pretzel logic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Why would we want Ukraine to continue in a war they can't win? Democrats don't want Trump to end that war because it would be a big win for him. He might even get the peace prize. Voters didn't vote for revenge but to right many of the wrongs of the Biden failures. Bush and Obama imposed quotas and Tariffs on the Chinese so this is nothing new.

I can help you get out of the cult. I can help you make a plan.

Likewise!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Why would we want Ukraine to continue in a war they can't win? Democrats don't want Trump to end that war because it would be a big win for him. He might even get the peace prize. Voters didn't vote for revenge but to right many of the wrongs of the Biden failures. Bush and Obama imposed quotas and Tariffs on the Chinese so this is nothing new.

I can help you get out of the cult. I can help you make a plan.

Anonymous wrote:The preference of voters is now and has been for a while … democratic policies.
The issue is that they ascribe those ( democratic) polices, that they like to:… republicans.
Harris told us exactly what she would do, and voters didn’t believe her.
Trump ALSO told us exactly what he planned to do ( aside from magically fixing the price of everything day 1)
But he told us he planned tariffs. He told us he planned to get revenge on political rivals.
He told us he wasn’t going to support Ukraine.
And voters didn’t believe him.
So I don’t know how you win with an electorate that is immediately and unfailing credulous with whatever republicans tell them and completely unwilling to believe democrats.

This perfectly encapsulates your post:
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Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Why would we want Ukraine to continue in a war they can't win? Democrats don't want Trump to end that war because it would be a big win for him. He might even get the peace prize. Voters didn't vote for revenge but to right many of the wrongs of the Biden failures. Bush and Obama imposed quotas and Tariffs on the Chinese so this is nothing new.

Anonymous wrote:Nope, Harris would have been far worse. She would have continued all of Biden’s policies I didn’t like on the economy, border, DEI and trans, and foreign affairs. Any chaos Trump brings is a direct result of Biden-Harris out of touch and bad policies.

Exactly. Though well educated she can't seem to think on her feet. All those cringe appearances, yes she would have continued Biden's disastrous policies. I'm happy with Trump so far, the border is much better and more secure in a short amount of time. I live in a border state, and my nephew is a border agent. While this site is far left, the general population according to Pew Research: "Trump’s current 47% approval rating is higher today than it was at the beginning of his first term in office. His rating is also higher than at any other point in his first four-year term, and far higher than when he left office in early 2020".

Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

No. In this past election, people voted against the other side more so than for their own side. A lot of people voted for Trump because they were appalled by Democrats allowing millions of undocumented migrants to stream across the border and because they rejected the excesses of DEI policies. They weren't voting for tariffs or against Ukraine. And they certainly weren't voting for Elon Musk. I think there was an expectation that Trump II would be like Trump I, mostly a loud check on the excesses of progressives. I don't think there are many voters who voted specifically for the carnage and destruction that Republicans are now inflicting on the country. I think there are many who feel betrayed by Republicans, especially those who were voting on economic issues.

Anonymous wrote:Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Anybody with half a brain cell and object permanence would realize that this exact same argument can be flipped to apply to 2020 and 2012 and 2008 and…. “The voters resoundingly rejected the GOP! Every single voter flipped the lever for Dem policies! The GOP is arrogant and out of touch with the entire electorate! They’ll be out of power forever! They’d better start figuring out what went wrong and reaching out to Dem voters, the only voters who matter!”

Nope, Harris would have been far worse. She would have continued all of Biden’s policies I didn’t like on the economy, border, DEI and trans, and foreign affairs. Any chaos Trump brings is a direct result of Biden-Harris out of touch and bad policies.

“Democrats lie to themselves”, you say, while lying about Democrats. The irony of spreading right wing propaganda about Democrats as a thinly disguised excuse to crow insufferably over a razor-thin election margin that was largely the result of the same lying propaganda being spread through a media bullhorn controlled by right wing billionaires. For pages and pages and pages and PAGES, across countless threads in this forum.

And when you’re called out: waaah, meanie Democrat, you proved my point!

You’re not fooling anybody, MAGA troll.

Another lie we tell ourselves is that the voters couldn’t possibly have wanted want what Trump offered. But we’re wrong. The voters consciously voted FOR tariffs, FOR revenge on Democrats who have been working for a decade to undermine the will of the people, and FOR an end to the Ukraine war. Seems crazy to us after all the Ukraine flags we’ve waved. But it’s true.

Anonymous wrote:The preference of voters is now and has been for a while … democratic policies.
The issue is that they ascribe those ( democratic) polices, that they like to:… republicans.
Harris told us exactly what she would do, and voters didn’t believe her.
Trump ALSO told us exactly what he planned to do ( aside from magically fixing the price of everything day 1)
But he told us he planned tariffs. He told us he planned to get revenge on political rivals.
He told us he wasn’t going to support Ukraine.
And voters didn’t believe him.
So I don’t know how you win with an electorate that is immediately and unfailing credulous with whatever republicans tell them and completely unwilling to believe democrats.

There’s a message here for us. There’s a reason people don’t believe what we say. It’s that we lie, mostly to ourselves. We insist that middle and working class Republicans are “voting against their own interests” because we imagine ourselves to be the party of compassion and competence. But income inequality has never once decreased under Democrats in our lifetimes. We deny that we’re the party more favorably disposed toward illegal immigration. Is that credible? We deny that we are the party of LGBTQIA+ indoctrination in schools. Is that credible? We have to be honest with ourselves. If we can’t even do that, we shouldn’t be surprised that voters don’t believe us.

They won’t realize it’s a sinking ship til it’s on the ocean floor. Then they’ll enthusiastically blame Biden, Obama, and Bud Light.

This goes to the heart of this whole thread. The whole question, will MAGA admit they were wrong, is based on our key cognitive problem. Our inability to distinguish between our most exaggerated partisan talking points and actual facts. Just because partisan Dems say (and believe) that Trump has obviously destroyed the perfect Biden economy and democracy doesn’t mean it’s true and definitely doesn’t mean that the other side agrees. Yes the other side is stupid, but we’re not geniuses either. We keep assuming that our self-interested partisan ideas are widely accepted as true across the country, and that assumption is wrong.

The preference of voters is now and has been for a while … democratic policies.
The issue is that they ascribe those ( democratic) polices, that they like to:… republicans.
Harris told us exactly what she would do, and voters didn’t believe her.
Trump ALSO told us exactly what he planned to do ( aside from magically fixing the price of everything day 1)
But he told us he planned tariffs. He told us he planned to get revenge on political rivals.
He told us he wasn’t going to support Ukraine.
And voters didn’t believe him.
So I don’t know how you win with an electorate that is immediately and unfailing credulous with whatever republicans tell them and completely unwilling to believe democrats.