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Anonymous wrote:Harvard’s extension school website is perfectly clear on how to write the degree on your resume and CV. Always include Extension School or Extension Studies. You’re obviously purposely being deceptive when you strike Extension School from your resume, bio, and/or verbal communication. It’s shady and teases out you’re a liar with serious issues.

I would never pay for Harvard extension school. To me, it sounds like someone buying a degree to put Harvard on their resume. What’s the point?

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Anonymous wrote:Technically speaking, a degree from the Harvard Extension School is a degree from Harvard University.

But just saying that you went to “Harvard” without clarifying that it was via their extension school is misleading.

It’s not the fact that it’s online. It’s that extension schools usually don’t have the same acceptance standards or curriculum.

So what? If you are an athlete recruit do you need to clarify that? Or that you checked a race box? Or that your parents made a large donation or you are a legacy? If you're so easily mislead that's on you.

Athletes don’t get degrees conferred from “Harvard Athletics.” Legacies don’t get degrees from “Harvard Legacy School.”

These are not comparable.

On the other hand, the extension school degree is apparently conferred by the “Harvard Extension School.” It may be a component college of “Harvard University,” but it’s not the same as getting a degree from one their traditional colleges.

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who did this exactly but with Princeton. Wears his Princeton colors everywhere 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of a public servant I know who went to what appeared to be a 2 to 4 week Harvard summer course. Afterwards he began wearing Harvard sweatshirts and added Harvard to his social media accounts and LinkedIn. His Facebook avatar was changed to him in a Harvard sweatshirt. His bachelor’s degree was from an open enrollment regional degree mill.

Thats understandable, but completing an entire Master's degree from HEC gives you the right to be proud about it.

No. An online master's or doctorate degree from any university is a joke. These are cash cow degree mill programs with basically zero admissions standards and just pointless busywork to push you through. Everyone knows it.

I hate to break it to you, but Graduate Programs at even the very best schools are online for a large portion of the program - even in programs with labs. It's the wave of the future.

No, the worthless box checking programs for nitwits are all online. The high value programs with admissions standards are still on campus.

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Anonymous wrote:So why is Harvard awarding a scam degree, if indeed it is such?

It’s NOT a degree, it is a certificate.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this whole thread is full of people who don't understand HES, its mission, FAS, or Harvard University.

1. There are undergraduate and graduate degrees offered at HES.
2. Until about 15 years ago, ALB and ALM degrees were offered only in-person.
3. There are two types of extension students: 1) those who are matriculated, and 2) those who are not. Matriculated students generally make up about 20% of extension learners. Only matriculated students earn degrees.
4. Of the non-matriculated students who have no desire to matriculate, many, if not most, are high achievers with impressive credentials. Places like Harvard and Yale are addictive, and some people (believe it or not) want to learn and interact with cerebral people even after their four years of study are up.
5. To matriculate, you need to pass a gatekeeper class. On average, only about 30% succeed in the gatekeeper course. This is because Harvard guards the grades in these classes to ensure it picks the students it wants to admit.
6. There is a lot of self-selection. On average, for many students, the work can take 10 to 15 hours per week per class. It is not uncommon to have to read 1,000 pages and be ready to be called upon to discuss during class. This is beyond the requirements of most state school undergraduate expectations.
7. GSAS, the college, and the extension school are all run by FAS, which regulates the programs and degrees. By and large, undergraduate credit is equivalent to the college, with the graduate credit being slightly more advanced but different from GSAS, which tends to have a mission to be deeper and not as 'broad' (or wide) in a field.
8. The reason extension credit is not accepted by the college is to stop ambitious college students from taking extension credit -- the syllabus/coursework is often the same; they just want to separate the non-traditional students from the college students.
9. On the same vein, the summer school DOES allow college students to enroll for credit and is functionally the same as the extension school but just in the summer. Thus, the aforementioned prohibition is not a lack of quality; it's a function of student management.
10. They offer cross-school courses where extension and college students are taking the same course. I have noticed no dip in quality between these courses and the ones offered only to extension students. This is also true with Kennedy and GSAS courses.
11. Matriculated students have IDs, join clubs, and I personally know a few who are just as 'Harvard' as anyone else here. They do research, work as TFs, write a thesis or research papers, and participate in University life.
12. It is true that the quality of the student body per class is somewhat less. But people who don't fit in are usually rejected before they matriculate or quickly realize they don't fit in.
13. For matriculated students, the resources and access to campus are equivalent. Harvard is transformational if you let it be. And while I acknowledge that someone could complete their degree while only stepping foot onto campus a handful of times -- why would you? Many extension students take the opportunity to learn from the best scholars, be around amazing students, and interact with CEOs, politicians, research, and startups.

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The work required to complete an extension degree at Harvard is rigorous and can be completed (mostly) online or in-person. It is generally considered academically equivalent to Harvard College in difficulty for each sister course, with the graduate work sometimes held to a higher standard. It is generally not as deep as a similar master's degree from GSAS, as those degrees tend to be much more narrow to the field (hence the 'Liberal Arts' in the degree name).

Overall, I find the association with the University of Phoenix, Trump University, and comparable allegations to be absurd and unreasonably prejudiced against non-traditional learners. The New Republic article was factually inaccurate, contained numerous errors, and was a hit piece designed to burn thousands of students' degrees in an effort to stick it to one man.

I don’t disagree with your logic and arguments but these count for very little. Perception-wise, nobody will ever think that a degree from Harvard extension is equivalent to one from Harvard College. We all know this.

Harvard College alums will never consider people who have gone to Harvard Extension as fellow alums.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard’s extension school website is perfectly clear on how to write the degree on your resume and CV. Always include Extension School or Extension Studies. You’re obviously purposely being deceptive when you strike Extension School from your resume, bio, and/or verbal communication. It’s shady and teases out you’re a liar with serious issues.

I would never pay for Harvard extension school. To me, it sounds like someone buying a degree to put Harvard on their resume. What’s the point?

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Anonymous wrote:I am currently a Harvard Extension School student and I Must say, IT IS NOT EASY and not for everyone. The reason I chose this program, is because I liked Harvard’s case study method from a certificate I took at Harvard Business School Online.

As a full time professional, a father and with a busy life, it fits my schedule and I get the learning method that fits me. I agree on being honest clarifying the origin of your degree. Nothing wrong with disclosing your degree is from the Extension School. However, I do not agree with the common belief that Anyone can get it. It is very challenging and requires a lot of commitment, focus and time management.

It’s open enrollment so people assume it’s not as good as the day program but that’s not true. The difference between the Harvard open extension school and many others is that you can’t get into an actual degree program until you take the courses Harvard requires and you have to have certain grades in those classes.

So while people can sign up for some of the classes without a problem, being accepted to a degree program and completing it is very difficult. And impressive.

Are you talking about a degree program in the Yard? A professional program?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this whole thread is full of people who don't understand HES, its mission, FAS, or Harvard University.

1. There are undergraduate and graduate degrees offered at HES.
2. Until about 15 years ago, ALB and ALM degrees were offered only in-person.
3. There are two types of extension students: 1) those who are matriculated, and 2) those who are not. Matriculated students generally make up about 20% of extension learners. Only matriculated students earn degrees.
4. Of the non-matriculated students who have no desire to matriculate, many, if not most, are high achievers with impressive credentials. Places like Harvard and Yale are addictive, and some people (believe it or not) want to learn and interact with cerebral people even after their four years of study are up.
5. To matriculate, you need to pass a gatekeeper class. On average, only about 30% succeed in the gatekeeper course. This is because Harvard guards the grades in these classes to ensure it picks the students it wants to admit.
6. There is a lot of self-selection. On average, for many students, the work can take 10 to 15 hours per week per class. It is not uncommon to have to read 1,000 pages and be ready to be called upon to discuss during class. This is beyond the requirements of most state school undergraduate expectations.
7. GSAS, the college, and the extension school are all run by FAS, which regulates the programs and degrees. By and large, undergraduate credit is equivalent to the college, with the graduate credit being slightly more advanced but different from GSAS, which tends to have a mission to be deeper and not as 'broad' (or wide) in a field.
8. The reason extension credit is not accepted by the college is to stop ambitious college students from taking extension credit -- the syllabus/coursework is often the same; they just want to separate the non-traditional students from the college students.
9. On the same vein, the summer school DOES allow college students to enroll for credit and is functionally the same as the extension school but just in the summer. Thus, the aforementioned prohibition is not a lack of quality; it's a function of student management.
10. They offer cross-school courses where extension and college students are taking the same course. I have noticed no dip in quality between these courses and the ones offered only to extension students. This is also true with Kennedy and GSAS courses.
11. Matriculated students have IDs, join clubs, and I personally know a few who are just as 'Harvard' as anyone else here. They do research, work as TFs, write a thesis or research papers, and participate in University life.
12. It is true that the quality of the student body per class is somewhat less. But people who don't fit in are usually rejected before they matriculate or quickly realize they don't fit in.
13. For matriculated students, the resources and access to campus are equivalent. Harvard is transformational if you let it be. And while I acknowledge that someone could complete their degree while only stepping foot onto campus a handful of times -- why would you? Many extension students take the opportunity to learn from the best scholars, be around amazing students, and interact with CEOs, politicians, research, and startups.

Thus:
The work required to complete an extension degree at Harvard is rigorous and can be completed (mostly) online or in-person. It is generally considered academically equivalent to Harvard College in difficulty for each sister course, with the graduate work sometimes held to a higher standard. It is generally not as deep as a similar master's degree from GSAS, as those degrees tend to be much more narrow to the field (hence the 'Liberal Arts' in the degree name).

Overall, I find the association with the University of Phoenix, Trump University, and comparable allegations to be absurd and unreasonably prejudiced against non-traditional learners. The New Republic article was factually inaccurate, contained numerous errors, and was a hit piece designed to burn thousands of students' degrees in an effort to stick it to one man.

I don’t disagree with your logic and arguments but these count for very little. Perception-wise, nobody will ever think that a degree from Harvard extension is equivalent to one from Harvard College. We all know this.

Harvard College alums will never consider people who have gone to Harvard Extension as fellow alums.

You sure care a lot about perceptions

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Anonymous wrote:So why is Harvard awarding a scam degree, if indeed it is such?

It’s NOT a degree, it is a certificate.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf was Chris seeking out this bogus degree last year for? That is so weird and revealing. And he wasn’t low-key about it, as if he was just seeking knowledge. And he doesn’t have a corporate job where an advanced degree gets him a promotion. Then the weirdo IMMEDIATELY added it to all of his bios and began bragging about being a Harvard alum. It makes me question his entire crusade and frankly reveals him to be a weird dipsh*t. Has he ever had a real job? That’s another red flag. Guy seems to have some screws loose. Did he buy sweatshirts and quarter zips to wear too? Probably.

He is a Harvard alumni.

TBH, I have a professional grad degree from Harvard and consider myself an alum from the Harvard school granting the degree. Most folks I know make this distinction. Folks in the yard who earn an UG degree from Harvard are Harvard alum with no modifiers. And folks with a grad degree in extension studies are HES alum.

That is nice for you, but legally he is a Harvard alumni.


Perhaps he's a socially awkward Harvard alumni

He is an alum of HES, just like I am an alum of one of the professional programs. I can tell you that the only folks in my class who use Harvard only are posers.

Being a poser and being a Harvard alumni is kind of... Normal

Nah, not necessarily. But it's the folks like Rufo who help create that sense.

I live near Harvard and the regular students are the worst posers. No humility whatsoever

Anonymous wrote:So why is Harvard awarding a scam degree, if indeed it is such?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this whole thread is full of people who don't understand HES, its mission, FAS, or Harvard University.

1. There are undergraduate and graduate degrees offered at HES.
2. Until about 15 years ago, ALB and ALM degrees were offered only in-person.
3. There are two types of extension students: 1) those who are matriculated, and 2) those who are not. Matriculated students generally make up about 20% of extension learners. Only matriculated students earn degrees.
4. Of the non-matriculated students who have no desire to matriculate, many, if not most, are high achievers with impressive credentials. Places like Harvard and Yale are addictive, and some people (believe it or not) want to learn and interact with cerebral people even after their four years of study are up.
5. To matriculate, you need to pass a gatekeeper class. On average, only about 30% succeed in the gatekeeper course. This is because Harvard guards the grades in these classes to ensure it picks the students it wants to admit.
6. There is a lot of self-selection. On average, for many students, the work can take 10 to 15 hours per week per class. It is not uncommon to have to read 1,000 pages and be ready to be called upon to discuss during class. This is beyond the requirements of most state school undergraduate expectations.
7. GSAS, the college, and the extension school are all run by FAS, which regulates the programs and degrees. By and large, undergraduate credit is equivalent to the college, with the graduate credit being slightly more advanced but different from GSAS, which tends to have a mission to be deeper and not as 'broad' (or wide) in a field.
8. The reason extension credit is not accepted by the college is to stop ambitious college students from taking extension credit -- the syllabus/coursework is often the same; they just want to separate the non-traditional students from the college students.
9. On the same vein, the summer school DOES allow college students to enroll for credit and is functionally the same as the extension school but just in the summer. Thus, the aforementioned prohibition is not a lack of quality; it's a function of student management.
10. They offer cross-school courses where extension and college students are taking the same course. I have noticed no dip in quality between these courses and the ones offered only to extension students. This is also true with Kennedy and GSAS courses.
11. Matriculated students have IDs, join clubs, and I personally know a few who are just as 'Harvard' as anyone else here. They do research, work as TFs, write a thesis or research papers, and participate in University life.
12. It is true that the quality of the student body per class is somewhat less. But people who don't fit in are usually rejected before they matriculate or quickly realize they don't fit in.
13. For matriculated students, the resources and access to campus are equivalent. Harvard is transformational if you let it be. And while I acknowledge that someone could complete their degree while only stepping foot onto campus a handful of times -- why would you? Many extension students take the opportunity to learn from the best scholars, be around amazing students, and interact with CEOs, politicians, research, and startups.

Thus:
The work required to complete an extension degree at Harvard is rigorous and can be completed (mostly) online or in-person. It is generally considered academically equivalent to Harvard College in difficulty for each sister course, with the graduate work sometimes held to a higher standard. It is generally not as deep as a similar master's degree from GSAS, as those degrees tend to be much more narrow to the field (hence the 'Liberal Arts' in the degree name).

Overall, I find the association with the University of Phoenix, Trump University, and comparable allegations to be absurd and unreasonably prejudiced against non-traditional learners. The New Republic article was factually inaccurate, contained numerous errors, and was a hit piece designed to burn thousands of students' degrees in an effort to stick it to one man.

I don’t disagree with your logic and arguments but these count for very little. Perception-wise, nobody will ever think that a degree from Harvard extension is equivalent to one from Harvard College. We all know this.

Harvard College alums will never consider people who have gone to Harvard Extension as fellow alums.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this whole thread is full of people who don't understand HES, its mission, FAS, or Harvard University.

1. There are undergraduate and graduate degrees offered at HES.
2. Until about 15 years ago, ALB and ALM degrees were offered only in-person.
3. There are two types of extension students: 1) those who are matriculated, and 2) those who are not. Matriculated students generally make up about 20% of extension learners. Only matriculated students earn degrees.
4. Of the non-matriculated students who have no desire to matriculate, many, if not most, are high achievers with impressive credentials. Places like Harvard and Yale are addictive, and some people (believe it or not) want to learn and interact with cerebral people even after their four years of study are up.
5. To matriculate, you need to pass a gatekeeper class. On average, only about 30% succeed in the gatekeeper course. This is because Harvard guards the grades in these classes to ensure it picks the students it wants to admit.
6. There is a lot of self-selection. On average, for many students, the work can take 10 to 15 hours per week per class. It is not uncommon to have to read 1,000 pages and be ready to be called upon to discuss during class. This is beyond the requirements of most state school undergraduate expectations.
7. GSAS, the college, and the extension school are all run by FAS, which regulates the programs and degrees. By and large, undergraduate credit is equivalent to the college, with the graduate credit being slightly more advanced but different from GSAS, which tends to have a mission to be deeper and not as 'broad' (or wide) in a field.
8. The reason extension credit is not accepted by the college is to stop ambitious college students from taking extension credit -- the syllabus/coursework is often the same; they just want to separate the non-traditional students from the college students.
9. On the same vein, the summer school DOES allow college students to enroll for credit and is functionally the same as the extension school but just in the summer. Thus, the aforementioned prohibition is not a lack of quality; it's a function of student management.
10. They offer cross-school courses where extension and college students are taking the same course. I have noticed no dip in quality between these courses and the ones offered only to extension students. This is also true with Kennedy and GSAS courses.
11. Matriculated students have IDs, join clubs, and I personally know a few who are just as 'Harvard' as anyone else here. They do research, work as TFs, write a thesis or research papers, and participate in University life.
12. It is true that the quality of the student body per class is somewhat less. But people who don't fit in are usually rejected before they matriculate or quickly realize they don't fit in.
13. For matriculated students, the resources and access to campus are equivalent. Harvard is transformational if you let it be. And while I acknowledge that someone could complete their degree while only stepping foot onto campus a handful of times -- why would you? Many extension students take the opportunity to learn from the best scholars, be around amazing students, and interact with CEOs, politicians, research, and startups.

Thus:
The work required to complete an extension degree at Harvard is rigorous and can be completed (mostly) online or in-person. It is generally considered academically equivalent to Harvard College in difficulty for each sister course, with the graduate work sometimes held to a higher standard. It is generally not as deep as a similar master's degree from GSAS, as those degrees tend to be much more narrow to the field (hence the 'Liberal Arts' in the degree name).

Overall, I find the association with the University of Phoenix, Trump University, and comparable allegations to be absurd and unreasonably prejudiced against non-traditional learners. The New Republic article was factually inaccurate, contained numerous errors, and was a hit piece designed to burn thousands of students' degrees in an effort to stick it to one man.

I don’t disagree with your logic and arguments but these count for very little. Perception-wise, nobody will ever think that a degree from Harvard extension is equivalent to one from Harvard College. We all know this.

Harvard College alums will never consider people who have gone to Harvard Extension as fellow alums.