Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read this whole 27 page post but from now on when I fly solo with my 3 young kids and something happens I will just leave my 2 year old next to whomever they are seated and let them deal. Because obviously that makes sense.

God people are so freaking selfish and rude. The person a few pages up who said they wouldn’t move for a veteran or active duty service person - what entitlement!

You would make a parent sit apart from their kids just to spite them. Instead of being a decent human being you would rather let a young child scream and go through distress. Freaking sociopaths.

DP, but as a military spouse, I wouldn't even do that. Each January, I book 20+ flights for the year (business). I pick my seats at that time, because I'm fat, hate flying, get free premium economy, and know which seats are the most comfortable. I'm. Not. Giving. Them. Up. Your failure to prepare does not constitute an emergency on my part. The entitlement you mention is on the part of the person who expects me to move.

And yeah, my kids and I have been split up. We deal. Even the four year old.

Anonymous wrote:It costs nothing to be nice.

Great society we live in today. Smh.

Why isn't the passenger whining to change seats required to be nice?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

Very few planes have separate first and business class anymore. The only US airline that has it is American on about 10 of their 777-300s. Air France has it on a few 777s but is mostly phasing it out.

I did find the "looky-loo" comment funny, as if someone is staring at you for hours simply because you paid more for a nicer seat.

The lady is flying US to Paris. So, Yes, if there is a first class on the route, there is also a business class between 1st and economy on that route.

A majority of people use “first class” as a synonym for business class these days, since most international flights (outside of an handful of Asian/middle eastern carriers) only offer the latter.

The lady in question posted a picture of her seating assignment. Does that really scream international first class to you?

The statement was made in response to this comment:

"There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy."

So the clarifying comment was made that it's a single business class cabin. And yes the cabin pictured appeared to be Air France's A350, which does NOT have a separate first class.

And it's not only Asian/Midle Eastern gulf carriers which have a separate first class. AA, BA, Lufthansa and Air France all offer it on some of their longhaul flights, but not usually on the planes which serve Dulles. But you are correct that probably 85-90% of international long haul flights nowadays don't have a separate first class.

It costs nothing to be nice.

Great society we live in today. Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:you pay for what you want pay up for the entire family to sit together and don't bother other people. its a fairly simple concept

The point that multiple people on this thread have made is that sometimes airlines don’t even give you the option to buy seats together or they rebook you in different seats after you’ve already paid for them.

You need one parent with a child or children, not two parents or adults. If you cannot sit next to your child get off the plane and get the next flight.

"The next flight" might be hours later, or even the next day; so basically you're saying that -- in the event where the airline has bumped parents from seats they paid for due to schedule or equipment changes -- it's better for the family to add an uncertain number of delays to their itinerary than it is for someone to just move a few rows?

Then sit apart. Done.

Last week we had a weird set of seats. A man was stuck next to my grumpy 4 year old and 10 year old. I asked him if he wanted to switch with my brother, one row back (same window seat). I could tell he was a #NeverSwitcher but my 4 year old’s whining about why he wasn’t allowed to sit in the window seat apparently convinced him. After a long pause to think through the consequences of not moving, he did it.

I asked the flight attendant to offer him a drink from me.

See that shouldn't be a problem for the vast majority of people- window for window is an equivalent swap. I would think 98% of people would do this with zero issues.

Several people in this thread have said they wouldn’t. Never move ever no matter the circumstance.

It isn't just "window for window" -- being closer to the front of the plane matters. Who you're going be next to matters.

I've been asked to move from a window in Row 3 to a window in the second to last row of the plane. No way.

People who want you to move almost always want you to move to a seat this is worse in some way.

So you would prefer to deal with a whiny 4 year old child sitting next to you throughout your flight in order to be in an equivalent window seat one row closer to the front of the plane? Because that’s the situation pp described.

For me, I’m putting my Bose.noise cancelling headphones on,ordering a double and enjoying my flight. Wjhat your whiny spawn does is not my problem.

This! I'm great at ignoring whiny kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

Very few planes have separate first and business class anymore. The only US airline that has it is American on about 10 of their 777-300s. Air France has it on a few 777s but is mostly phasing it out.

I did find the "looky-loo" comment funny, as if someone is staring at you for hours simply because you paid more for a nicer seat.

The lady is flying US to Paris. So, Yes, if there is a first class on the route, there is also a business class between 1st and economy on that route.

A majority of people use “first class” as a synonym for business class these days, since most international flights (outside of an handful of Asian/middle eastern carriers) only offer the latter.

The lady in question posted a picture of her seating assignment. Does that really scream international first class to you?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

Very few planes have separate first and business class anymore. The only US airline that has it is American on about 10 of their 777-300s. Air France has it on a few 777s but is mostly phasing it out.

I did find the "looky-loo" comment funny, as if someone is staring at you for hours simply because you paid more for a nicer seat.

The lady is flying US to Paris. So, Yes, if there is a first class on the route, there is also a business class between 1st and economy on that route.

Nope - business, premium economy, economy

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Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

Very few planes have separate first and business class anymore. The only US airline that has it is American on about 10 of their 777-300s. Air France has it on a few 777s but is mostly phasing it out.

I did find the "looky-loo" comment funny, as if someone is staring at you for hours simply because you paid more for a nicer seat.

The lady is flying US to Paris. So, Yes, if there is a first class on the route, there is also a business class between 1st and economy on that route.

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Anonymous wrote:If y'all want to sit together, pay for your seats next to each other.

We do. But flights get cancelled and you get rebooked with hours to spare and don’t always get to pick your seats. Have some sympathy.

It happened to me a few months ago. Flight was canceled. Just canceled. I booked another flight on another airline with less than 8 hours notice so we could make our vacation. No seats to choose from. Plus since I bought this those tickets at that last minute it was a gazillion dollars.

Luckily a really nice gate agent helped me - but you have no idea.

It was very stressful and you have no idea why people so t have seats together. Might no be their fault.

This! Obviously I book my seat next toy young child's when I book a flight-- it matters to me so I do it. When we get separated it's always due to some problem out of my control. I always ask the airline to help first (usually the problem is due to their error anyway) but sometimes yes I'm asking someone to move a row or two. I always try to find someone for whom the move is actually an upgrade or at least not a downgrade. Still some people push back and are angry even at being asked.

As they should be. It’s rude and entitling to ask people to give up their airplane seat to accommodate your family, regardless of your reason for it. You cannot expect people to not be annoyed by this.

It is not the passengers fault when your flights are canceled or whatever excuses you have. The airline needs to solve your problem, not the other passengers.

If airlines started offering people upgrades or cash to give up their seats for families, then more people would be willing to do it and the problem would be solved, everyone win-win. But instead airlines are putting the onus on the ill-located passengers to resolve, and that is what causes the animosity among passengers.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

Very few planes have separate first and business class anymore. The only US airline that has it is American on about 10 of their 777-300s. Air France has it on a few 777s but is mostly phasing it out.

I did find the "looky-loo" comment funny, as if someone is staring at you for hours simply because you paid more for a nicer seat.

Anonymous wrote:It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

There is business class between 1st and the “looky-loos in economy”. So no, there isn’t any less privacy.

A bunch of attention whores on the internet. Nothing new.

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read this whole 27 page post but from now on when I fly solo with my 3 young kids and something happens I will just leave my 2 year old next to whomever they are seated and let them deal. Because obviously that makes sense.

God people are so freaking selfish and rude. The person a few pages up who said they wouldn’t move for a veteran or active duty service person - what entitlement!

You would make a parent sit apart from their kids just to spite them. Instead of being a decent human being you would rather let a young child scream and go through distress. Freaking sociopaths.

You are incredibly selfish. You put the oldest alone. With 4 of you, 3 kids, it will be near impossible to get seats together.

It’s way better to be up at 1A or close to it. In the last row of first class you have all the looky-loos in economy trying to stare at you through the privacy shade.

Anonymous wrote:I am nearly always a solo flyer. I have been asked twice to change seats, but no one else around me was asked. I pointed out some couples and families and told the requester to ask them .

Good.