Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:46
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
He's allowed to go to the Capitol after a speech
He's not allowed to lead a violent mob to try to overthrow the government, genius.
At the time he was trying to go to the Capitol, the violent Trump mob had breached the Capitol.
That's speculation. He very well could have wanted to go to witness things firsthand and see if he could calm it down.
That has never been his MO. Judging by his tweet condemning Pence, at the time that Pence was in hiding in the Capitol, Trump would be going there to direct the hanging.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:46
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
He's allowed to go to the Capitol after a speech
He's not allowed to lead a violent mob to try to overthrow the government, genius.
At the time he was trying to go to the Capitol, the violent Trump mob had breached the Capitol.
That's speculation. He very well could have wanted to go to witness things firsthand and see if he could calm it down.
So. This actually made me laugh.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:45
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, it's not. They are two different vehicles.
Your fixation on what model vehicle he was using is weird. If Trump was being peddled around on a tandem bike, that wouldn't make this situation any better.
It makes a difference because the 'beast' has a shield that would have prevented him from reaching the driver
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:45
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
He's allowed to go to the Capitol after a speech
He's not allowed to lead a violent mob to try to overthrow the government, genius.
At the time he was trying to go to the Capitol, the violent Trump mob had breached the Capitol.
That's speculation. He very well could have wanted to go to witness things firsthand and see if he could calm it down.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:42
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, it's not. They are two different vehicles.
Your fixation on what model vehicle he was using is weird. If Trump was being peddled around on a tandem bike, that wouldn't make this situation any better.
No not weird. It's a type of fallacy that Trumpers will use to discredit the whole testimony.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:41
Subject: Re:Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:
So that guy is going to be on Fox tomorrow saying she was lying and then go before the committee and swear to it? If he comes out publicly, the committee will have to swear him and hear him.
But if he doesn’t…. If it’s just “I know a guy who knows a guy who said she was lying…” then I’m believing the witness today.
If the committee won't allow him to testify, the writing is on the wall. Ten bucks they say something like "he testified or will testify in private". No WAY they are allowing the American people to hear it.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:39
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, it's not. They are two different vehicles.
Your fixation on what model vehicle he was using is weird. If Trump was being peddled around on a tandem bike, that wouldn't make this situation any better.
And the bicycle would be the beast because potus is being driven (transported?) on it. It would also be bulletproof and very heavy. Not sure where the doctor would ride though…
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:39
Subject: Re:Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:
This is a ridiculous controversy. The USSS has said they are cooperating with the J6 committee.
And Engel and Ornato have already testified privately and Raskin has said that there's nothing contradictory about Hutchison's testimony today.
So perhaps Raskin is lying
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:37
Subject: Re:Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care if Trump grabbed the steering wheel, but I do care that he and his Chief of Staff actively conspired to bring down the US government.
What was Trump going to do if he went to the Capitol? Walk to the front door and demand to be let in, and then lead the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers and the rest of those freaks to take it over? That was the plan, right - for the President to take over the legislative branch with an armed mob. That's a coup, right?
Translation: The witness appears to have lied I'm gonna say now I don't care about that
You guys are hilarious!
She told the truth under oath. The steering wheel story was second hand but the the rest is certain and corroborated. Trump said in the speech he was going to the Capitol, for days he had said he wanted to go to the Capitol, weak-ass Meadows wouldn’t tell him no, so Engle had to tell him no in the car, and when he got back to the White House he told McEnany he still wanted to go to the Capitol.
Whether or not he grabbed the wheel or just ranted doesn’t change those facts or Trump’s intent to occupy the Capitol.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:36
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:
No, it's not. They are two different vehicles.
Your fixation on what model vehicle he was using is weird. If Trump was being peddled around on a tandem bike, that wouldn't make this situation any better.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:35
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote: My key takeaways:
Trump knew large numbers of people in the crowd were armed.
He encouraged the armed mob to march to the Capitol despite being warned about the potential for violence.
He intended to join the crowd there despite that knowledge.
He knew the crowd was calling for the VP to be hung when he made further statements inciting the crowd against the VP, as well as private statements indicating that he believed the VP should be killed.
He belongs in prison.
+1 This was based on first hand testimony. I'm not getting bogged down in steering wheel grab-gate.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:35
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
That Politico article said that Trump rode back in the Beast.
I'm so confused. Was he in the Beast? Or another vehicle? What can I believe?
Video and photos show he was in an SUV. I don't know if that is technically also The Beast but these days that's shorthand for the car the prez is in.
The beast is a limo with a shield between the back and front seat. It's a different vehicle altogether.
That was a big Gotcha that people were using to discredit Hutchison - she said he rode in the Beast and they said he didn't. She's not a credible witness!
The Beast is whatever armored car with medical kit the President happens to ride in.
There is no discrepancy.
And reading through this thread, I note that Trump defenders are sparse and are not bringing convincing counter points to the table.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:35
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
That Politico article said that Trump rode back in the Beast.
I'm so confused. Was he in the Beast? Or another vehicle? What can I believe?
Well, the beast has a shield between back and front that would not allow Trump to reach the driver at all. Did you know that?
No, it has a partition that the president can lower. But go on. Keep obsessing over this like it’s more important than the damming evidence presented today proving he incites a violent mob to storm the Capitol and stop the electoral count.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:34
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
He's allowed to go to the Capitol after a speech
He's not allowed to lead a violent mob to try to overthrow the government, genius.
At the time he was trying to go to the Capitol, the violent Trump mob had breached the Capitol.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 21:34
Subject: Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Engel did speak to the committee, per this story from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/trump-raised-jan-6-capitol-appearance-secret-service-agent-select-panel-00038217
And said he and Trump disagreed on whether they should go to the Capitol after the speech.
Seems unlikely the committee would have had her tell that crazy-sounding tale if they didn't have corroboration from some other source.
That Politico article said that Trump rode back in the Beast.
I'm so confused. Was he in the Beast? Or another vehicle? What can I believe?
Video and photos show he was in an SUV. I don't know if that is technically also The Beast but these days that's shorthand for the car the prez is in.
That’s what the SUV is called.
No, it's not. They are two different vehicles.