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Anonymous wrote:Just heard on CNN the grandma is now dead, is this true?

He shot grandma first and then ran from police into the school where he shot anyone in his way, teachers and children. How the hell did he get into the school? How far is his house from the school to the point that police did not alert the nearby school to go into lock down? The school failed these children. Lock the doors! The shooter looks crazy… I am so tired of this bs. Let me guess, he got made fun of in school? I will say it each and every time, leave the mentally ill and disabled children to their own schools. They are not capable of the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas Tribune update: it’s now 18 children and 3 adults dead in Uvalde elementary school shooting

And in two days Abbott is going to speak at the NRA conference just a few hundred miles from where this happened. Apparently 18 dead children and 3 dead adults is an acceptable sacrifice for some extra campaign $$.

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But we do have gun laws, and criminals and mentally ill people break them. Keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding, sane citizens will not fix the problem. Crack down on real criminals would be one way to get started. But instead, we're doing the complete opposite.

Good guys with guns are not stopping the bad guys with guns. The gun culture in this country is the problem and the lax regulations are a symptom. It all needs to change.

In this case, the good guys with guns killed the gunman. Why there was not one resource officer at the actual school is a whole other issue. How did he get in?

One resource officer against a mentally unstable shooter with ARs? Who do you think is going to survive that one?

Multiple law enforcement officers did everything they possibly could today and what is the death toll still up to?
“Officers and Border Patrol agents placed themselves between the shooter and the children, multiple people told The Washington Post.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/24/school-shooting-uvalde-texas-updates/

Well let’s be real. They failed. They did not get the job done. What is it 18 killed now and “law enforcement” did everything they could? Oh where are all the NRA members in Texas? Where were they?

They failed because the lax gun laws allowed him to be running around with a military grade arsenal.

There was also an armed guard at that supermarket in Buffalo and again because we write our laws to let insecure idiots cosplay as Rambo, he also was unable to stop the shooter.

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Anonymous wrote:yes something that impacts less than 100 kids a year needs national laws to combat

by that logic the following should be outlawed

Driving, Taking a bath, swimming pools etc

I think this one incident alone "impacts" more than 100 kids this year. Hundreds of kids in that school will be "impacted" for years.

I am ex-military, I like guns, but this can't continue. I am willing to give a little on my gun rights to help stop this madness. We live in such a world of narcissism and callousness. I would give my right arm in a bet that the PP wouldn't be so rigid in his/her thinking if it was their kid who died like this, scared and confused, screaming for their moms and dads.

I know that many gun rights supporters say that the answer is to stay armed. Most of these people have been watching too many movies. With these types of weapons, there is little time to react, and most people freeze up and get killed.

I pray for all the families tonight. May God take care of these little ones.

Anonymous wrote:So predictable. This thread has turned into a shouting match with two sides talking past each other, offering no real solutions.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently watched an Australian courtroom drama called Janet King. An entire season was devoted to a shipment of illegally imported guns. The govt launched a huge task force and splashy trial to arrest those responsible for selling a relatively small number of firearms. That’s how tightly weapons are controlled there. I almost had to laugh. And Australians have had conservative leadership for years! Why do our conservatives have such bloodthirst?

Australia used to have lax gun laws. When they enacted tighter regulation, they had a very successful buy-back program.

IIRC, the change was sparked by a mass shooting, although I might be wrong about that part.

Gun buybacks work because Australia has social trust and solidarity. We have zero social trust and solidarity in America, so it won’t work here. Gun owners have zero regard for non-gun owners. In fact, they sneeringly call us “sheep” if we don’t own a gun or if we expect law enforcement to their well-paid jobs.

True - gun control won’t work here.

We are nothing like Australia.

I’ve lived in Australia for the better part of 10 years, and live in Australia now.

You’re wrong, wrong wrong. Don’t forget the majority of American people support gun reform, support access to abortion, support raise in living wage, and on and on. There’s plenty of anti government people, trump supporters, racists sexists in Oz too.

The difference is, America’s political system is broken, half by design (electoral college) and the other half by due to longstanding and deliberate efforts by the religious right and wealthy ruling class. Australia’s government still functions. Why?

-ranked choice voting - look at our recent election. the more Conservative party (called liberal party) lost enough seats, mostly to independents, who then gave their share of votes to the labor party, to give them the win.
-mandatory and readily accessible voting centres for the entire population, not voting is punishable by fine ($50)
-higher taxes. Higher percentage of taxes to education, health and social services vs defence and tax cuts
-there is still state funded news (Australian Broadcasting system)
-no Fox News. Don’t forget Rupert Murdoch is Australian

Also we need to stop letting a document written over 200 years ago prevail over common sense in the society we live in now.

Anonymous wrote:The next time you are at your child’s school notice how easy it is for someone to walk in the door with anything they want.
And never once have I ever seen a suggestion that we try and at least make that change.

There should be no school that has no entrance doors for visitors that open immediately into the actual school building.

All entrances should be double doored. And require being buzzed in twice. ID should be scanned at the door before being buzzed in the first time. The second time along with ID they need to show it again. At least this slows someone with bad ideas down.

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Anonymous wrote:We have how many million people living in this country? What can possibly stop anything like this from happening? Ban guns and people will use a car to mow down a crowd of people or build a bomb.

The cat is out of the bag. We can't go back from this. Better mental health treatment might help some, but not all. There will always be some that slip through the cracks.

Or God forbid acid attacks like U.K. I'd rather be shot than acid.

Anonymous wrote:The next time you are at your child’s school notice how easy it is for someone to walk in the door with anything they want.
And never once have I ever seen a suggestion that we try and at least make that change.

There should be no school that has no entrance doors for visitors that open immediately into the actual school building.

All entrances should be double doored. And require being buzzed in twice. ID should be scanned at the door before being buzzed in the first time. The second time along with ID they need to show it again. At least this slows someone with bad ideas down.

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Anonymous wrote:So predictable. This thread has turned into a shouting match with two sides talking past each other, offering no real solutions.

Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a solution.

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Especially since it was written when a musket, and maybe a bayonet, was the most deadliest firearm.

And written as individual self defense and not to go into public communal places or houses of worship and arbitrarily shoot.

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Anonymous wrote:The next time you are at your child’s school notice how easy it is for someone to walk in the door with anything they want.
And never once have I ever seen a suggestion that we try and at least make that change.

There should be no school that has no entrance doors for visitors that open immediately into the actual school building.

All entrances should be double doored. And require being buzzed in twice. ID should be scanned at the door before being buzzed in the first time. The second time along with ID they need to show it again. At least this slows someone with bad ideas down.

Sad that the solution is for us to live in a police state instead of getting rid of easily available weapons and ammunition.

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Anonymous wrote:So predictable. This thread has turned into a shouting match with two sides talking past each other, offering no real solutions.

Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Texas Tribune update: it’s now 18 children and 3 adults dead in Uvalde elementary school shooting

And in two days Abbott is going to speak at the NRA conference just a few hundred miles from where this happened. Apparently 18 dead children and 3 dead adults is an acceptable sacrifice for some extra campaign $$.

Let it be overrun with protesters. Never forget after the Parkland student protests across the country that the NRA tweeted a pic of an AR-15 with the caption—I’ll control my own guns, thank you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NRA/status/973944596563746816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw?ftag=MSF0951a18

Neat. Who won?

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Anonymous wrote:So predictable. This thread has turned into a shouting match with two sides talking past each other, offering no real solutions.

Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a solution.