Anonymous
05/14/2022 21:42
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:dude, you can disagree, but if you don't have the patience to read that's on you. I'm not PP, but the pointless insults are a drag.
The insults aren't necessary (NP here). It is silly to argue that people who have kids in these elementary schools have "confirmation bias" about kids leaving the schools at 5th for charter middle schools. This might be true for people observing the 5th grade class from a distance (say PK parents trying to figure out what is happening, or a neighborhood family trying to eyeball what they think are 5th graders outside the school) and drawing conclusions from what they think they see. In that case, sure, I think you could argue that an observer might expect to see fewer white families or fewer high SES families because they expect them to leave for charters, and then simply see what they expect to see regardless of what is actually happening.
But you can't tell a family who has a 4th or 5th grader at these schools that they have "confirmation bias" on this issue when 7 of their kid's 10 closest friends at school are now at BASIS, Latin or CMI. At that close up, it's really not a question of seeing what you expect to see, because honestly, parents who stick around these schools for 5th are actively hoping for the opposite. If you are sending your kid to Ludlow or Brent for 5th grade, you dream ideal is that most of the class comes back for 5th with your kid, keeping the cohort together. There's no confirmation bias -- it is what it is, and both you and your kid can see what is happening.
I do not agree with you that confirmation bias isn't possible if you are actually in 5th grade but I respect that you have a different opinion and took the time to express it.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 20:55
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:dude, you can disagree, but if you don't have the patience to read that's on you. I'm not PP, but the pointless insults are a drag.
The insults aren't necessary (NP here). It is silly to argue that people who have kids in these elementary schools have "confirmation bias" about kids leaving the schools at 5th for charter middle schools. This might be true for people observing the 5th grade class from a distance (say PK parents trying to figure out what is happening, or a neighborhood family trying to eyeball what they think are 5th graders outside the school) and drawing conclusions from what they think they see. In that case, sure, I think you could argue that an observer might expect to see fewer white families or fewer high SES families because they expect them to leave for charters, and then simply see what they expect to see regardless of what is actually happening.
But you can't tell a family who has a 4th or 5th grader at these schools that they have "confirmation bias" on this issue when 7 of their kid's 10 closest friends at school are now at BASIS, Latin or CMI. At that close up, it's really not a question of seeing what you expect to see, because honestly, parents who stick around these schools for 5th are actively hoping for the opposite. If you are sending your kid to Ludlow or Brent for 5th grade, you dream ideal is that most of the class comes back for 5th with your kid, keeping the cohort together. There's no confirmation bias -- it is what it is, and both you and your kid can see what is happening.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 20:31
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
dude, you can disagree, but if you don't have the patience to read that's on you. I'm not PP, but the pointless insults are a drag.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 17:54
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
The problem with that approach is confirmation bias. You expect to see something and so you see it. You cannot see subtle demographic shifts if you are too close to them. I am not accusing you of malice, but you seem not to grasp this concept. Best of luck to you.
Word salad, what are you talking about? Parents at these schools know the other families. Everyone can tell you Larla, Larlo, Larla II, Larlo II, Larla III, Larlo III, Larla IV, Larlo IV, Larla V, Larla VI, Larla VII are going to BASIS. And rattle off a similar list for Latin. And this year Latin II will be in the mix, which means even more kids will leave, because folks aren't going to stick around for a crappy DCPS middle school experience if there are other options.
If we had a Deal-like school, nobody would be trucking their kid downtown to a shit facility. This is a mess of DCPS's creation.
You don't understand what the term "word salad" means. It doesn't mean something with which you disagree. And it doesn't mean something that makes you reconsider your entrenched position. You are like my toddler who gets upset when she doesn't understand what's going on and has a temper tantrum. Except in your case you just scream "word salad" in the hopes no one will notice your ignorance.
You literally have yet to make a coherent point, word salad.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 17:42
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
^^why so hostile? It sucks when your fifth grade class gets hollowed out, and of course people know who left for where. We had the same at our DCI feeder. You are jumping on the “word salad” mistake and avoiding the uncertainty this breeds in some parents. It does suck that we have so much churn in DC schools.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 17:34
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
The problem with that approach is confirmation bias. You expect to see something and so you see it. You cannot see subtle demographic shifts if you are too close to them. I am not accusing you of malice, but you seem not to grasp this concept. Best of luck to you.
Word salad, what are you talking about? Parents at these schools know the other families. Everyone can tell you Larla, Larlo, Larla II, Larlo II, Larla III, Larlo III, Larla IV, Larlo IV, Larla V, Larla VI, Larla VII are going to BASIS. And rattle off a similar list for Latin. And this year Latin II will be in the mix, which means even more kids will leave, because folks aren't going to stick around for a crappy DCPS middle school experience if there are other options.
If we had a Deal-like school, nobody would be trucking their kid downtown to a shit facility. This is a mess of DCPS's creation.
You don't understand what the term "word salad" means. It doesn't mean something with which you disagree. And it doesn't mean something that makes you reconsider your entrenched position. You are like my toddler who gets upset when she doesn't understand what's going on and has a temper tantrum. Except in your case you just scream "word salad" in the hopes no one will notice your ignorance.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 17:00
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
The problem with that approach is confirmation bias. You expect to see something and so you see it. You cannot see subtle demographic shifts if you are too close to them. I am not accusing you of malice, but you seem not to grasp this concept. Best of luck to you.
Wishful thinking and boosterism veils reality more than confirmation bias in this case. Again, we can literally name the kids who left.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 14:43
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
The problem with that approach is confirmation bias. You expect to see something and so you see it. You cannot see subtle demographic shifts if you are too close to them. I am not accusing you of malice, but you seem not to grasp this concept. Best of luck to you.
Word salad, what are you talking about? Parents at these schools know the other families. Everyone can tell you Larla, Larlo, Larla II, Larlo II, Larla III, Larlo III, Larla IV, Larlo IV, Larla V, Larla VI, Larla VII are going to BASIS. And rattle off a similar list for Latin. And this year Latin II will be in the mix, which means even more kids will leave, because folks aren't going to stick around for a crappy DCPS middle school experience if there are other options.
If we had a Deal-like school, nobody would be trucking their kid downtown to a shit facility. This is a mess of DCPS's creation.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 09:55
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
The problem with that approach is confirmation bias. You expect to see something and so you see it. You cannot see subtle demographic shifts if you are too close to them. I am not accusing you of malice, but you seem not to grasp this concept. Best of luck to you.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 09:49
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous you find a elementary school that you love and have to
switch because of a feeder middle school track
And charters take kids in 5th grade which impacts all the elementary schools in DC. It’s a lose lose
situation! I was trying to decide between Ludlow, Thomson and Garrison. Thomson decent feeder but I did not like that school for
my daughter due to location and the physical
space of the school. Can’t afford after school at Ludlow and would have to pay before care also. I am taking a leave from
job due to medical issues. Then there’s Garrison which I think is awesome spoke to teachers other families but feeder middle school not great. Title one free programs. At this point my child is going to 4th grade I have to take my chance to make sure her elementary school experience is good. Moving a child in 5th grade is no good socially they miss their whole
graduation experience and leave friends they have been with for years.
There's the rub. When schools improve they lose Title I status and the funding that pays or lunch, after-care, etc.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 08:28
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
This is ridiculous you find a elementary school that you love and have to
switch because of a feeder middle school track
And charters take kids in 5th grade which impacts all the elementary schools in DC. It’s a lose lose
situation! I was trying to decide between Ludlow, Thomson and Garrison. Thomson decent feeder but I did not like that school for
my daughter due to location and the physical
space of the school. Can’t afford after school at Ludlow and would have to pay before care also. I am taking a leave from
job due to medical issues. Then there’s Garrison which I think is awesome spoke to teachers other families but feeder middle school not great. Title one free programs. At this point my child is going to 4th grade I have to take my chance to make sure her elementary school experience is good. Moving a child in 5th grade is no good socially they miss their whole
graduation experience and leave friends they have been with for years.
switch because of a feeder middle school track
And charters take kids in 5th grade which impacts all the elementary schools in DC. It’s a lose lose
situation! I was trying to decide between Ludlow, Thomson and Garrison. Thomson decent feeder but I did not like that school for
my daughter due to location and the physical
space of the school. Can’t afford after school at Ludlow and would have to pay before care also. I am taking a leave from
job due to medical issues. Then there’s Garrison which I think is awesome spoke to teachers other families but feeder middle school not great. Title one free programs. At this point my child is going to 4th grade I have to take my chance to make sure her elementary school experience is good. Moving a child in 5th grade is no good socially they miss their whole
graduation experience and leave friends they have been with for years.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 08:06
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Uh …. I know the kids in my child’s fourth grade class. They talk to each other. We talk to the parents. I will know where those kids end up in 5th.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 07:31
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
Yes, opening your eyes and seeing the number of kids that used to be there and no longer are is a good way of collecting data.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 05:39
Subject: Middle Schools for Cap Hill
They don’t need to because most parents can see for themselves, once their kid nears 4th grade. I saw how each 5th grade class was made up of new kids for years at my school, so of course I left when it was time— and so did everyone else we knew in the 4th grade class.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 04:47
Subject: Re:Middle Schools for Cap Hill
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and the great majority of UMC Ludlow 4th graders are either heading to BASIS, one of the Latins, Inspired Teaching, CHM, a private or hoping to get off a public charter school wait list.
Bravo, DCPS!
There is no data to support this statement. In fact an increasing percentage of LT students are remaining for 5th. It is also funny to watch people talk about LT as one of the "gentrified" schools in the same breath as they say DCPS has no shot of gentrifying schools. You are all glossing over what LT looked like merely 4 or 5 years ago.
My point here is that it doesn't advance anyone's interest to just make things up. So many of you on DCUM just do what Stephen Colbert's character on the Colbert Report used to do: don't worry about facts, just stick to "truthiness".
Different poster. You don't seem to have the skinny on LT in 2022. We've been collecting data in the neighborhood. No great challenge.
We've asked around about IB numbers for 4th grade at LT for SY 2020-2021 vs. 5th grade IB numbers. We get this info from half a dozen IB LT 4th grade families (longtime neighbors, friends) who've been at the school for years.
What my numbers tell me is that more than half the IB LT families in 4th and 5th grade left for ms charters last year. This year, it looks like most will leave, with strong LT representation at Latin 2. Not the great majority leaving as stated above, but a majority.
Same old story, like Maury, Brent and SWS. Any surprises?
Draw your own conclusions.
So the DCUM echo chamber wasn't myopic enough for you? You seriously asked your friends in the neighborhood and THAT's your sample "data"?
This PP sounds like an Upper NW parent, the kind who sends their kids to Janney, Murch or Lafayette, schools with more than 700 students in spread-out areas. As posters point out, down here on the Hill, we're in tiny school districts and we tend to start these programs when kids are 3. We live in houses that are connected and bump into people we know on surrounding blocks around the neighborhood all the time. The LT District is essentially a 5 block square zone.
As far as I know, DCPS doesn't disseminate data to the public on how many 4th grade IB students return for 5th in Ward 6 elementary schools or where these students end up (mostly Basis and the Latins). It's a neat trick to try to obscure how serious the enrollment off actually is. There has been a little press attention to the matter over the years. I'm hoping for more.