Anonymous wrote:If people are against SRO's and increasing security in the high schools, then what do you recommend to be done given we've had multiple incidents on school property?

they will say we need to spend more money on therapists and address mental health issues. I asked up thread if that has ever worked. I have not gotten any answers.

Is it supposed to be mental health awareness week or something? Because both the PTSAs I belong to (MS/HS) are discussing mental health this week. IMO, none of these "awareness" seems to be working.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Spoken like someone who's never actually tried to.call the police.
Unless you're actively being assaulted, good luck getting a response. That, too, is a result of urbanization.
In the suburbs the police will come out when any law is being broken. That's already gone and the criminals know it.

Maybe someone can explain what's "urban" about the area around Blair HS? It's suburban single-family-detached houses, suburban strip shopping centers, and suburban arterial roads.

Lots of apartment buildings too.

I see no apartment buildings within a mile and a half of Blair.

Oops, "deep experience as a public school STUDENT" above

Seriously, that's your answer. He's lived that life as a child, possibly but in his bio's he says he has great parents. So, he really doesn't understand his constituents as he's never lived that life as an adult and had lots of opportunities given he is now a lawyer and worked with Obama. Lets be real. His bio is more for show than reality. He's done very well for himself, and good for him but he is really out of touch.

Families don't need a one time yearly grant as what happens when that grant is over? They need things like a Section 8 housing voucher that is life long. Child care assistance, utility assistance and much more. He's putting a bandaid and that never works. The county has had programs like that before, especially in housing (subsidy for a year) and then those folks are back where they stared after the year is up.

If I were Jawando's campaign manager, particularly if he wants to do anything beyond County Council, I'd advise him that the private school thing is a major weakness.

If he'd never sued MCPS, I could have spun it as "Black parents have unique concerns, and Mr. Jawando has deep personal experience as a public school parent." It would have been spin, but it would have shamed the white progressives into hushing up about it.

However, the lawsuit poisons the well from an optical standpoint. He sued to get his kids into the only immersion program that would provide a BCC feeder, even after his kids got a spot at another immersion program with a less prestigious feeder pattern. That's really toxic and will continue to haunt him from a political standpoint because now he's wide open from the left - he chose private when he was not guaranteed a W school.

If people are against SRO's and increasing security in the high schools, then what do you recommend to be done given we've had multiple incidents on school property?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Spoken like someone who's never actually tried to.call the police.
Unless you're actively being assaulted, good luck getting a response. That, too, is a result of urbanization.
In the suburbs the police will come out when any law is being broken. That's already gone and the criminals know it.

Maybe someone can explain what's "urban" about the area around Blair HS? It's suburban single-family-detached houses, suburban strip shopping centers, and suburban arterial roads.

Lots of apartment buildings too.

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Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

What is sad is he isn't willing to live next to low income families or even send his kids to school with them. He is all about the show. What he is proposing is not a help to low income and its only a temporary solution to a long term problem.

He grew up in poverty in low income apartments near Blair. He doesn’t have to live there now to understand his constituents.

Seriously, that's your answer. He's lived that life as a child, possibly but in his bio's he says he has great parents. So, he really doesn't understand his constituents as he's never lived that life as an adult and had lots of opportunities given he is now a lawyer and worked with Obama. Lets be real. His bio is more for show than reality. He's done very well for himself, and good for him but he is really out of touch.

Families don't need a one time yearly grant as what happens when that grant is over? They need things like a Section 8 housing voucher that is life long. Child care assistance, utility assistance and much more. He's putting a bandaid and that never works. The county has had programs like that before, especially in housing (subsidy for a year) and then those folks are back where they stared after the year is up.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Spoken like someone who's never actually tried to.call the police.
Unless you're actively being assaulted, good luck getting a response. That, too, is a result of urbanization.
In the suburbs the police will come out when any law is being broken. That's already gone and the criminals know it.

Maybe someone can explain what's "urban" about the area around Blair HS? It's suburban single-family-detached houses, suburban strip shopping centers, and suburban arterial roads.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

A stabbing is way more of a negative consequence than "feeling bad". We can't have cops everywhere, but we did have SROs in the HS, which the Principals of the schools wanted to keep, the people who actually work in the schools and interact with kids. Even if the odds are low that the SRO stops a stabbing, I'd rather have the SRO in the school than night. One, because they can respond faster, and two, it is more of a deterent than not having an SRO.


Jawando, you and the progressives in the city council aren't in the schools everyday dealing with the kids.

I'll ask again, why did the Principal feel that cops needed to be there today, maybe tomorrow? Because it's a deterent, and maybe, it makes the kids and staff there feel safer.

This. Sadly, some people do think people’s feelings are more important than physical safety.

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Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

What is sad is he isn't willing to live next to low income families or even send his kids to school with them. He is all about the show. What he is proposing is not a help to low income and its only a temporary solution to a long term problem.

He grew up in poverty in low income apartments near Blair. He doesn’t have to live there now to understand his constituents.

What a load of crap. He's all over social media talking about how kids are much better off without police in public schools but yet won't even send his kid to one. HYPOCRITE is what he is!

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Agreed! And look at the crazy Thrive Montgomery plan the politicians are trying to push through. In order to bring hundreds of thousands more people to MoCo. The goal is to urbanize MoCo as much as possible.

Schools are too big and overcrowded and will become even more so. Politicians don’t care about our kids.

That there is a dog whistle.

Not the poster you are quoting but no. Words have meanings beyond the joy buzzer trigger you sit upon all day. Urban means over crowded, lower quality of life, higher crime, less available services. It's the reason many of our parents moved out of the cities and into the suburbs.

OK, it's not a dog whistle, it's blatantly stated out loud (by you).

Like it or not, all of those things are true. There are good thing about urban areas but pretending the bad things don't exist just makes you a progressive.

No, they're not true. They're your opinions.

Oh OK. So urban means less crowded, higher quality of life, lower crime, and more available services?

DP.
No shit,'urban' means 'more available services'. Ever been to a city?

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Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

What is sad is he isn't willing to live next to low income families or even send his kids to school with them. He is all about the show. What he is proposing is not a help to low income and its only a temporary solution to a long term problem.

He grew up in poverty in low income apartments near Blair. He doesn’t have to live there now to understand his constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

What is sad is he isn't willing to live next to low income families or even send his kids to school with them. He is all about the show. What he is proposing is not a help to low income and its only a temporary solution to a long term problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want a police officer patrolling your street and your street only every day? What exactly would be their role when no crimes are being committed? I am perfectly happy to be able to call the police when they are needed, I don't want them here proactively, that's a waste of taxpayer dollars and needless police surveillance of my life.

Yes, I would be perfectly happy to have the cops around. What's the saying.. "where's a cop when you need one". Here's the thing.. you don't know when you will need the cops. And as we've seen, kids are turning violent in our schools. You don't know when the next incident will happen.

I'm proactive. You'd rather be reactive and only act when someone's been stabbed. I sincerely hope that never happens to your child.

I see on nextdoor a lot of posts about car breakins in the middle of the night in certain areas. You know what would help, if the cops were patrolling that area every night. It's called a deterent. It works well. When there are cops on the roads, people tend to not break the law, speed. When there are no cops on the roads, people tend to do all kinds of illegal things, and there are more speeders.

You can't have cops everywhere, and having cops in schools "proactively" has known negative impacts on students. Even if you put the one cop back in the 3000-student high school the odds they can stop a stabbing is incredibly low.

A stabbing is way more of a negative consequence than "feeling bad". We can't have cops everywhere, but we did have SROs in the HS, which the Principals of the schools wanted to keep, the people who actually work in the schools and interact with kids. Even if the odds are low that the SRO stops a stabbing, I'd rather have the SRO in the school than night. One, because they can respond faster, and two, it is more of a deterent than not having an SRO.


Jawando, you and the progressives in the city council aren't in the schools everyday dealing with the kids.

I'll ask again, why did the Principal feel that cops needed to be there today, maybe tomorrow? Because it's a deterent, and maybe, it makes the kids and staff there feel safer.

Anonymous wrote:Also be careful if you have kids at WJ or B-CC, no?

These things are happening at the W schools too.. don't think WJ and BCC are immune from it.