Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 13:03     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?

I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."


He simply followed legal advice of the lawyer his parents hired

Lots of people reading into his actions and making all kinds of assumptions including that Gabby is Brian’s victim

Gabby quit her job, accepted a marriage proposal from a man who also has no job, became homeless with him and continued living out of a vehicle with him even after violence had broken out and she acknowledged to police that she was suffering from mental health issues

Yet, no responsibility for her predicament can be attached to her - or her parents - instead, ALL of the blame must be placed on the head of her same age bf


Because people who have not committed crimes don't act this way. That's why. If she is alive, he should be helping to find her. If she killed herself, maybe calling the police before you drive for 48 hours home is a good idea?

If I saw someone I didn't even know jump off a cliff, you better believe the first thing Im' doing when I get cell service is CALLING 911! Instead he...drove home and got a lawyer.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 13:00     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Did Brian contact anyone on his drive back to Florida? And would the van's computer yield any insight? Like, does it reveal how many miles were driven each day?


Potentially, even if they weren’t subscribed to services, there are things in many newer cars that can provide location information after the fact to investigators. Hard to say for sure, but it’s definitely possible and has been used in recent cases. Besides that, surveillance footage can help, but that can be a race against the clock when whoever you’re trying to track already had a 10+ day head start. Kind of like finding a needle in a haystack (unless you have a substantiated sighting) until you get back the device reports, and by then surveillance footage might no longer be available.

But I think people are way underestimating the importance of digital breadcrumbs in modern day investigations. They are going to have a lot of information, but it just takes time.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 13:00     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?

I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."


I think they got into a fight and something happened that led to her death and that whatever it was was probably a grey area of fault. Maybe they got rough next to an edge of a cliff, maybe she ran crying and fell, maybe he drove off to cool down and came back and she was gone and he found her body somewhere near by. I think he did not MURDER her but something happened where he wasn't sure if he had criminal liability. He freaked out, got scared, and started driving home. Takes her phone, stupidly posts and texts a few times. Realizes that this is a bad idea, ditches the phone, keeps driving. Gets home, spills everything to mom and dad and they lawyer up.


I agree that this is likely what happened.


No way, if her death involves a fall, he would never be convicted of anything,too much reasonable doubt. He killed her in a way that there was no argument it was accidental or he wouldn’t be running.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:59     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?

I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."


He simply followed legal advice of the lawyer his parents hired

Lots of people reading into his actions and making all kinds of assumptions including that Gabby is Brian’s victim

Gabby quit her job, accepted a marriage proposal from a man who also has no job, became homeless with him and continued living out of a vehicle with him even after violence had broken out and she acknowledged to police that she was suffering from mental health issues

Yet, no responsibility for her predicament can be attached to her - or her parents - instead, ALL of the blame must be placed on the head of her same age bf
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:58     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
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Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?


Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.

To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.


Glad we have a rational, impartial legal system in place, instead of relying on emotions and misguided “common sense” of people like you.

It was once “common sense” to burn women as witches, based on perceived “red flags.”


Oh, I’m thrilled that this young man will be going through the legal system. I look forward to the legal system picking apart arguments like “she probably loaned him the car” and “he pretended to be her in a text to her mom because he was scared” and “he was the abuse victim and the missing woman was the abuser”.


If he faked her texts, there is likely video from the phone or cell service provider showing him writing the texts.

The only evidence he faked her texts is her own mom’s unsubstantiated hunches.


Lol WHAT

OMG could you imagine if there was video stored of EVERY text being written ever. The only thing the cell company can provide is the LOCATION the text was sent from, and they can say whether his phone was close to hers at the time.

I'm curious if the iPhone has face unlock capabilities if it logs which face was recognized to unlock it (ie matched to entry A - her or entry B - him), but you would need the actual phone to recover that type of information, and I don't think her phone has been recovered, has it?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:56     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Last text from "Gabby" was on Aug 30. Boy arrives home in FL on Sept 1.
Some people are saying maybe she made a mistake on location and typed the wrong name so let's just use both options.
Yellowstone is approx. 2328 miles or 35 hours.
Yosemite is approx. 2768 miles or 42 hours.
We don't know at what time the text was sent on the 3oth. So let's give him 12 hours on the 30th and 12 hours on the 1st. He had approx. 48 hours to drive by himself a trip that would have either taken 35 or 42 hours to complete. That would mean he would have to drive atleast 17.5 hours or 21 hours, respectively, each day to get home. Long haul truck drivers don't even drive that long in a 24 hour period.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:51     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?

I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."


I think they got into a fight and something happened that led to her death and that whatever it was was probably a grey area of fault. Maybe they got rough next to an edge of a cliff, maybe she ran crying and fell, maybe he drove off to cool down and came back and she was gone and he found her body somewhere near by. I think he did not MURDER her but something happened where he wasn't sure if he had criminal liability. He freaked out, got scared, and started driving home. Takes her phone, stupidly posts and texts a few times. Realizes that this is a bad idea, ditches the phone, keeps driving. Gets home, spills everything to mom and dad and they lawyer up.


I agree that this is likely what happened.


Yeah and I think the fact that they were in a remote location is what likely gave him the time to realize he needed to keep his mouth shut. It might have been an hour drive to cell phone reception/service and your brain can move a lot around in an hour. So maybe he finds her, gets n the car to go for help but by the time he can call someone he's realized that he will be pegged as guilty and decides to just do nothing.

And, for the record, while a step on the ladder down from actually killing her, this behavior is not GOOD and IMO is reprehensible and I think from the cop video that he was a semi-abusive dbag of a boyfriend.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:50     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?


Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.

To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.


Glad we have a rational, impartial legal system in place, instead of relying on emotions and misguided “common sense” of people like you.

It was once “common sense” to burn women as witches, based on perceived “red flags.”


Oh, I’m thrilled that this young man will be going through the legal system. I look forward to the legal system picking apart arguments like “she probably loaned him the car” and “he pretended to be her in a text to her mom because he was scared” and “he was the abuse victim and the missing woman was the abuser”.


If he faked her texts, there is likely video from the phone or cell service provider showing him writing the texts.

The only evidence he faked her texts is her own mom’s unsubstantiated hunches.


Lol WHAT


So could the “video” PP please clarify this comment? Do you believe that internet/cell service providers are filming us as we send texts? Thanks in advance.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:49     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
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Yes. He was gone earlier than the 23-27th though. I believe he returned on the 23rd. Phone contact and they checked out of a hotel (24th) together which surveillance footage could probably substantiate. Don’t know if investigators have definitively stated they have the footage from that, but there are at least some witness statements that they checked out together and I would say that’s pretty confirmed at this point. That’s one of the last confirmed sightings, although some other park goers think they spotted the van (but not who was inside it) on the 25th in Grand Teton. On the 25th, Gabby’s family also had phone contact with her (not just text) and she told them she was in Grand Teton (WY). After that, they only receive texts. Family and friends were under the impression they were headed to Yellowstone (WY/ID/MT borders area). On the 30th, her phone sent a text saying she had no service in Yosemite (CA).


I don't think this is the big clue everyone is claiming it to be. You can see how someone who is thinking about national parks might accidentally write Yosemite instead of Yellowstone. I can totally see myself doing that.


I agree it’s not necessarily a big clue. Whoever wrote it could have mixed the two up. Either way, it’s improbable for her to be in either Yosemite or Yellowstone on Aug 30, and for him to arrive with their only vehicle alone in FL on Sept 1.

So I’ll be curious to see when her phone was turned off or died, and what the last known locations were. And whether his devices had service on the 30th (and where). Plus potential vehicle tracking info.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:48     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Why didnt he fly home then and leave her the car? He was in a hotel without her and she had the van elsewhere. He had to get in touch with her to come get him for him to gain control of the van. He could have called an uber and gotten to the airport if he was just done and over it. It had recently snowed where they were. She's not just going to decide to relinquish the van and hoof it with a tent.


She says she only drives short distances. Maybe she asked him to take the van back? I doubt she wanted to be left with it. I think he flew back because she asked him to drive the van back to Florida. But they’d already broken up by then.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:48     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime


I certainly hope you find the nerve to return to this thread after she “shows up”, as it were.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:47     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime


Yes. I saw someone who knew how to become buddy buddy with the cops, diffuse the situation, put enough blame on her to make her feel like sh*t and to get the cop's attention off of him but not enough to face consequences so she would need to be grateful towards him

I saw someone who had a good handle on how the interaction would end. And who was not at all scared for his own wellbeing. He also did not seem particularly worried about her at all. He seemed neither worried OR mad OR sad, which struck me as off considering they had just been having a physical fight that almost ended in a car crash and did result in a prolonged encounter with law enforcement.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:47     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Np I think her parents are feeding the media a story too. Like her mom totally downplayed the cops pulling them over as nbd. Except when the cop video came out you see her hyperventilating and crying on the phone to her parents for a full hour.

She was clearly having issues so maybe her last text to her parents was strange. She wasn’t in her right mind.

I’m not on his side and think he should be forthcoming but I don’t think he killed her. And it’s in his best interest to stay silent and follow his lawyers instructions
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:43     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Why didnt he fly home then and leave her the car? He was in a hotel without her and she had the van elsewhere. He had to get in touch with her to come get him for him to gain control of the van. He could have called an uber and gotten to the airport if he was just done and over it. It had recently snowed where they were. She's not just going to decide to relinquish the van and hoof it with a tent.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 12:40     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime


Ok. But what about the texts that her mom is suspicious of? Where she thinks it doesn’t sound at all like Gabby? Then there’s that weird Halloween post.