Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 17:52     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Anonymous wrote:Why did Hamas murder these hostages? They really seem to want Palestinians to suffer as a result of their actions. Psychopathic murderers.



Support for Hamas has only increased since October 7th. According to Reuters, more than two-thirds of all Palestinians are in favor of the invasion of Israel and the massacres that occurred that day. There's a very good reason Hamas finds it so easy to hide among civilians. The vast majority of Palestinians support these terrorists. All the polling confirms it.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 17:48     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Anonymous wrote:Why did Hamas murder these hostages? They really seem to want Palestinians to suffer as a result of their actions. Psychopathic murderers.


It was in response to Israel's killing of Ismail Haniyeh.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 17:40     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.


They never have and never will.


So explain how this justifies the execution of thousands of Palestinian civilians who are not Hamas?

It’s not an execution it’s unfortunate casualties of war. Hamas knows this makes Israel look bad and will do anything to keep those numbers up like hiding in civilian areas.


I do not accept this horrifying euphemism that these are "unfortunate casualties of war". The hard-right faction in the Israeli government wants to wipe Palestinians off the planet. They have made that abundantly clear. For some us, both the hard-right Israelis and Hamas look like birds of a feather. All terribly terribly wrong.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:37     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.



Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.



Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/


This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.


There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?


I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.


Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.


You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.


No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?
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Post 09/01/2024 17:34     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.


They never have and never will.


So explain how this justifies the execution of thousands of Palestinian civilians who are not Hamas?

It’s not an execution it’s unfortunate casualties of war. Hamas knows this makes Israel look bad and will do anything to keep those numbers up like hiding in civilian areas.


War is hell
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Post 09/01/2024 17:34     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.


They never have and never will.


So explain how this justifies the execution of thousands of Palestinian civilians who are not Hamas?

It’s not an execution it’s unfortunate casualties of war. Hamas knows this makes Israel look bad and will do anything to keep those numbers up like hiding in civilian areas.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:30     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.


They never have and never will.


So explain how this justifies the execution of thousands of Palestinian civilians who are not Hamas?
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 17:17     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Why did Hamas murder these hostages? They really seem to want Palestinians to suffer as a result of their actions. Psychopathic murderers.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:11     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.


They never have and never will.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 17:09     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.

And further more it’s proof that Hamas does not care about the suffering of the Palestinian people or their plight.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:09     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.


+1.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:08     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.


Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn


I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu


+1


I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:07     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

Hamas is squarely to blame and keeping them for months to just shoot them is Hamas attempting to incite Israel. There’s no other way about it.
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Post 09/01/2024 17:04     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.


Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn


I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu


+1
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2024 16:58     Subject: Gaza war and College Campus Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Prayers to the families of the hostages. May Hamas and their supporters rot in hell.



I'm afraid if Hamas doesn't release some living hostages very soon, this war will never end until every Hamas member in Gaza is dead regardless of peripheral injuries and deaths to non-Hamas Palestinians. This last incident, where Hamas murdered these six young people who had been kidnapped nearly a year ago and survived so much, only to have their lives end with bullets to the head by terrorists, is going to make things hopeless for Palestinians for generations. Hamas needs to release some living hostages now.


Agreed. Its a travesty that every day since 10/7, Hamas makes things worse for Palestinians.