Anonymous
03/25/2022 12:38
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
They were right. Preemptive strikes is the kind of thing Putin does. They may join NATO so I have to kill them. It is also what got us into the ridiculous Iraq war. You strike only when something done is bad, never just because you think somebody is going to do something bad. It seems even Putin and George W suffer from paranoia.
This administration told us for WEEKS prior to the invasion that Russia was going to invade. Russia built up their troops over a course of several months and despite the US (and presumably other NATO nations) having the intelligence that they fully expected him to invade, the US did nothing. They didn't ramp up providing Ukraine with the arms they needed. They didn't impost any of the sanctions against Russia.
And, don't try to tell us that this administration didn't consider the threat of sanctions a deterrent. Nearly all the officials who spoke on this topic called them a deterrent... Antony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Kamala Harris, Jen Psaki........
Biden is trying to claim now that they were never a deterrent because this administration failed in that regard. And, we all know it.
Yes, the Biden administration told us that and they were right, but the rest of the world thought it was just saber-rattling and posturing. The US had to convince the rest of NATO.
So, what Biden said yesterday was a flat-out lie..... that the sanctions were never intended as a deterrent......
Anonymous
03/25/2022 12:35
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
Hey look it tucker and the hate America first party. Keep undermining the US and NATO.
Sure. Because I want the US and NATO to work from the position of strength and not weakness.
So tired of your vacuous accusations.
Sure You and your fellow republicans want a strong US and NATO.Give me a break. You parrot Putin’s propaganda while giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US and NATO. Go back to Fox News I am sure they are talking about how weak Biden is and how he encouraged Putin’s aggression while at the same time saying he has done way too much and we should respect Putin’s strength.
Just stop your crap.
The majority of American people don't think he is handling the Ukraine war well.
Most think he should be stronger. Looks like I am with the majority of the American people.
Americans are watching the war in Ukraine closely, and most do not like how the U.S. is responding.
A new NPR/Ipsos poll finds that a majority of Americans think President Biden has not done a good job in his handling of the war. Many say the president has been too cautious, even as a majority say they're wary of sparking a broader conflict.
Those responses were remarkably consistent across the political spectrum with strong majorities of Republicans, Democrats and independents all in agreement.
Overall, only 36% of Americans say Biden is doing a good job in response to the war in Ukraine, while 52% say he's not.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 10:56
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
Hey look it tucker and the hate America first party. Keep undermining the US and NATO.
Sure. Because I want the US and NATO to work from the position of strength and not weakness.
So tired of your vacuous accusations.
Sure You and your fellow republicans want a strong US and NATO.
Give me a break. You parrot Putin’s propaganda while giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US and NATO. Go back to Fox News I am sure they are talking about how weak Biden is and how he encouraged Putin’s aggression while at the same time saying he has done way too much and we should respect Putin’s strength.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 10:45
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
They were right. Preemptive strikes is the kind of thing Putin does. They may join NATO so I have to kill them. It is also what got us into the ridiculous Iraq war. You strike only when something done is bad, never just because you think somebody is going to do something bad. It seems even Putin and George W suffer from paranoia.
This administration told us for WEEKS prior to the invasion that Russia was going to invade. Russia built up their troops over a course of several months and despite the US (and presumably other NATO nations) having the intelligence that they fully expected him to invade, the US did nothing. They didn't ramp up providing Ukraine with the arms they needed. They didn't impost any of the sanctions against Russia.
And, don't try to tell us that this administration didn't consider the threat of sanctions a deterrent. Nearly all the officials who spoke on this topic called them a deterrent... Antony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Kamala Harris, Jen Psaki........
Biden is trying to claim now that they were never a deterrent because this administration failed in that regard. And, we all know it.
Yes, the Biden administration told us that and they were right, but the rest of the world thought it was just saber-rattling and posturing. The US had to convince the rest of NATO.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 10:43
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
No, it isnt. For example, the threat of jail time or a fine is meant to deter crime. It doesn't prevent it. Imposing a punishment before the bad act occurs is idiotic. It would have fed right into the Russian victimization bs and wouldnt have gotten nordstream2 closed or the SWIFT ban imposed. The coordinated united front with the EU and Japan has been our biggest advantage. The self-inflected rhetorical
wounds from Russia, nuclear threats etc, have benefited us. When one has a bumbling bullying preening idiot as an adversary then get out of the way and let the fool injure themself. Don't give them an artificial foil. It's the same strategy Biden had against Trump in the election.
+1 There's even a thought now that Putin may provoke a confrontation with NATO because - for his own domestic political survival - he'd rather lose a war to the United States and "the West" than to Ukraine.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 10:31
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
No, it isnt. For example, the threat of jail time or a fine is meant to deter crime. It doesn't prevent it. Imposing a punishment before the bad act occurs is idiotic. It would have fed right into the Russian victimization bs and wouldnt have gotten nordstream2 closed or the SWIFT ban imposed. The coordinated united front with the EU and Japan has been our biggest advantage. The self-inflected rhetorical
wounds from Russia, nuclear threats etc, have benefited us. When one has a bumbling bullying preening idiot as an adversary then get out of the way and let the fool injure themself. Don't give them an artificial foil. It's the same strategy Biden had against Trump in the election.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 09:46
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
Hey look it tucker and the hate America first party. Keep undermining the US and NATO.
Sure. Because I want the US and NATO to work from the position of strength and not weakness.
So tired of your vacuous accusations.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 09:04
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
Hey look it tucker and the hate America first party. Keep undermining the US and NATO.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 08:42
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
This is the biggest crock of crap. This just proves that the Biden administration is reactive and not proactive.
They are, and always have been, allowing Putin to call the shots. They have been playing defense all along.
It shows weakness.
And, they still are. I think Zelensky and the Ukrainians are the only ones who truly believe they can win this fight.
Reports are that Biden is encouraging Zelensky to settle for a deal with Russia - essentially allowing Russia to get away with what they have done.
Huge mistake.
The NATO leaders went to Brussels...with the photo ops and the speeches and the regular fanfare - for an EMERGENCY meeting. But, they didn't act like there was anything urgent in their meeting.
People are dying. Ukrainians are losing their homes, their livelihoods, and their lives as our world leaders wait to see what Putin's next move will be.
Time to stop telling Putin what we WON'T do and start having him guess what we will do.
So far, Zelensky is the only leader who has shown any strength.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 08:30
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
They were right. Preemptive strikes is the kind of thing Putin does. They may join NATO so I have to kill them. It is also what got us into the ridiculous Iraq war. You strike only when something done is bad, never just because you think somebody is going to do something bad. It seems even Putin and George W suffer from paranoia.
This administration told us for WEEKS prior to the invasion that Russia was going to invade. Russia built up their troops over a course of several months and despite the US (and presumably other NATO nations) having the intelligence that they fully expected him to invade, the US did nothing. They didn't ramp up providing Ukraine with the arms they needed. They didn't impost any of the sanctions against Russia.
And, don't try to tell us that this administration didn't consider the threat of sanctions a deterrent. Nearly all the officials who spoke on this topic called them a deterrent... Antony Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Kamala Harris, Jen Psaki........
Biden is trying to claim now that they were never a deterrent because this administration failed in that regard. And, we all know it.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 08:24
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
Meh, who cares? You’re splitting hairs. We didn’t impose sanctions ahead of time because it would’ve muddied the message that Russia was the aggressor. If we impose sanctions first, Russia starts hammering the “victim” narrative and uses sanctions as a pretext for war. This would’ve undermined the United front across Europe against Russia.
So yeah, I’m glad we didn’t impose sanctions first. Russia is clearly the criminal.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 08:09
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.
They were right. Preemptive strikes is the kind of thing Putin does. They may join NATO so I have to kill them. It is also what got us into the ridiculous Iraq war. You strike only when something done is bad, never just because you think somebody is going to do something bad. It seems even Putin and George W suffer from paranoia.
Anonymous
03/25/2022 08:04
Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
....Which many Republicans were calling for.
But, no. This administration (and many on this site) argued that until Russia actually did something, the sanctions could not be imposed.
And, the video montage above shows that this administration WAS threatening sanctions to deter Russia - completely contrary to what Biden claimed yesterday.
Maybe someone should play all those clips for Biden and see what he has to say that they never claimed sanctions were a deterrent.