Anonymous wrote:Nearly 350 homicides so far this year in New York City. Sort of gross how a rich guy gets global coverage and all the resources to catch the perp, while the rest are lucky to get a blip on local TV news.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the CNN article about health insurance denials? On a personal level, they are all terrible stories … but on an economic/policy level, I’m not so sure.

The 70 year old woman from Worcester complains that she pays hundreds of dollars a month but her insurer would not cover more than 6 weeks in a post-acute rehab center after her surgery, although it appears that center cost about 5K a week…..the economics just don’t add up. Most elderly people will have multiple health issues and surgeries are not uncommon. If the insurer is charging hundreds in premiums, yet paying out tens of thousands in provider charges, how can this make sense? It used to be that these large costs were rare so the premiums paid by healthy people covered the costs of the unlucky, but now it seems like almost everyone has some health condition or needs a surgery to improve quality of life. Post-acute in patient care is great but that wasn’t even really a thing 20-30 years ago—you just had to have family that would stay with you to help you post-surgery.

And the young girl with cancer probably picked a cheaper plan with a higher co-pay, figuring she was young and healthy. Should insurance companies not be permitted to offer those types of plans? I really don’t know. The problem is that most health care consumers don’t really adequately assess their potential risks and everyone is operating with insufficient information about what their health needs might be, and what things actually cost.

As far as the paramedic and his MRI….that seems ridiculous and he probably has a good appeal.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/business/us-health-care-insurance-frustrations/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:The whole reaction to this is fascinating.

He's another young, white, mentally ill male who snapped and committed a violent act. But instead of shooting kindergarteners or women, he shot a hated, criminal CEO, and is now a hero.

I'm curious if we'll find misogynistic writings or Reddit posts from him. Those things seem to go hand-in-hand.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed he's just crazy. It was fun when he seemed to be a mastermind a la V for Vendetta.

People don't seem to realize he was railing against all large corporations, not just health care. He mentioned Apple and others by name. He just happened to attack the UHC CEO first. If he attacked Apple's CEO, it's unlikely he would be getting the same spin.

He might still be a hero if he targeted banking, people hate those usurious credit card interest rates and the predatory overdraft fees.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he has mental illness. The estrangement from his family and his willingness to act out on his ideas seem a little unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole reaction to this is fascinating.

He's another young, white, mentally ill male who snapped and committed a violent act. But instead of shooting kindergarteners or women, he shot a hated, criminal CEO, and is now a hero.

I'm curious if we'll find misogynistic writings or Reddit posts from him. Those things seem to go hand-in-hand.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed he's just crazy. It was fun when he seemed to be a mastermind a la V for Vendetta.

People don't seem to realize he was railing against all large corporations, not just health care. He mentioned Apple and others by name. He just happened to attack the UHC CEO first. If he attacked Apple's CEO, it's unlikely he would be getting the same spin.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he has mental illness. The estrangement from his family and his willingness to act out on his ideas seem a little unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole reaction to this is fascinating.

He's another young, white, mentally ill male who snapped and committed a violent act. But instead of shooting kindergarteners or women, he shot a hated, criminal CEO, and is now a hero.

I'm curious if we'll find misogynistic writings or Reddit posts from him. Those things seem to go hand-in-hand.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed he's just crazy. It was fun when he seemed to be a mastermind a la V for Vendetta.

His Reddit was mostly him talking about his back and brain fog issues, Pokémon go, and travelling with just one bag/ backpacking. Unless they find something written down I don’t think there is much more to find, he has a fairly clean digital footprint.

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Anonymous wrote:Did he want to get caught? Why didn’t he fly back to Hawaii? What’s his relation to middle PA?

TSA uses facial recognition now. There's no way he could have flown.

He could have flown the day it happened before his partial photo was everywhere.

A young man randomly hanging out in the middle of nowhere PA makes you look extremely suspicious. Dead-end rust belt towns are all townies and elderly people.

They would have tracked him if he’d flown.

I don't know that they would have, or if they did, it would take awhile. He could have been across the globe in a country without an extradition treaty before they even released their crappy pics.

Flying is expensive and requires credit cards and valid IDs. Would also have to toss all of the fake IDs.

That said, should have bought a Rolex on a credit card and flown to a foreign country. Rolex can be sold for quick cash.

Hanging out in middle PA is a lame after such apparent methodical planning.

This is a pretty wacky ending. How could he think this was a good idea? Did the popular reaction make him cocky? People might talk a big game when they're behind a keyboard at home, but it turns out people are nervous around murderers.

It's much, much easier to plan a surprise attack than to escape detection afterward.
It's a sudden huge shift in advantage in the scenario.
It's a different universe before vs after. It's bound to collapse.

He probably thought they were going to catch him much faster. He probably could have bought himself time if he flew that day

Flying would have brought with it a huge risk of the police waiting for him when the plane landed, with the assumption that it was just a matter of time before his face was on camera somewhere.

Not if changed his appearance, which is what an intelligent, meticulous person would do. He planned the rest to perfection, why couldn’t he have plucked his brows a bit and put on glasses?

He didn’t plan anything to perfection, he was dumb and manic all along. He got lucky on timing and situation.

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Anonymous wrote:If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor. He is not. It is very sad. Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on. It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican. But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.

Agree.
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense.

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them.

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.

But the insurance companies do?

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone. If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything.
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover.
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you.

You and many others really don’t get how complex the health system works. Someone told you no and you decided it was their fault.

This economist explains it better than I can.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main

People here don’t know how 20% down payments on a $900,000 property work either.

His parents have a real estate empire. They gave him this property, likely one they owned, as a gift. They didn't give it as "here's a property with 200k equity, the mortgage payments start June 1st. You're welcome." It's safe to assume he owned the place outright to do what he wanted to with it. It sold for 900k so he pocketed whatever 900 minus transaction fees were. Let's be totally outrageous and say those were 200k, he left with 700k and that was his funding. He's from a wealthy family in real estate, this is not an unusual gift for a 20 something kid from their parents.

Some local multi family homes in Baltimore = a real estate empire?!?

Gawd.

Glad you never met any intl students at college who really did own family empires.

Owing 2 golf course resorts, a radio station, and a dozen nursing homes is a bit more than "local multi family homes"

That was all underpriced stuff decades ago. BFD
Nothing is costly in dangerous Balto except the gated communities where the ravens players live .

You have no idea. They have more money than you’ll ever have in 100 lifetimes.

I’m from there. They’re well off but they’re not a tech bro or Bloomberg with a $1B+++ family office and foundation. Get a grip.

The grandparents and parents parked some money long ago in land and real estate and then daisy chained properties together. Good for them.

Wow. One of my friends had a family office. Never realized she was a billionaire.

How naive I was!

Anonymous wrote:Americans don't want single payer and neither does the UHC killer. He is a mentally ill patient himself, he probably should have taken his prescriptions instead of going to a co-op and getting involved in QANON.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor little rich boy (who appears to have issue been salty about a lot more than insurance companies.) gee, maybe we shouldn’t valorize premeditated murder?

Why would him being rich change anyone’s opinion about the CEO and United Healthcare’s business practices?

NP here. Well learning that his parents made their fortune from assisted living facilities, it’s like pick your poison. Do I screw over people via health insurance or do I screw over elderly and disabled people who have dementia, Alzheimer’s, etc and milk their families dry.

Yeah, neither family has clean hands here. Not saying it justifies murder but the hypocrisy is stunning. He’s no Robin Hood.

He is a separate individual from his parents, no? Furthermore, he sounds like he was estranged from them. Even if he wasn’t, children should not be responsible for their parents’ sins.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole reaction to this is fascinating.

He's another young, white, mentally ill male who snapped and committed a violent act. But instead of shooting kindergarteners or women, he shot a hated, criminal CEO, and is now a hero.

I'm curious if we'll find misogynistic writings or Reddit posts from him. Those things seem to go hand-in-hand.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed he's just crazy. It was fun when he seemed to be a mastermind a la V for Vendetta.

People don't seem to realize he was railing against all large corporations, not just health care. He mentioned Apple and others by name. He just happened to attack the UHC CEO first. If he attacked Apple's CEO, it's unlikely he would be getting the same spin.